Anybody want to go on record about Josh?

[iinii]

Given the right set of circumstances he helps procure the elusive ring. He will face adversity well so barring injury worst case scenario is Josh is top six and we contend every year... and still manage a ring or two...

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

37 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

 

Put your money where your mouth is and vote!

Edited May 15, 2020 by Lieutenant Aldo Raine

[Thurman#1]

23 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

 

A "parody of an NFL QB prospect" simply would not be capable of performing that well in those situations.  So most here would agree that he cleared that Barr too.  Two areas that are 100% on him to improve upon.  Ball security while on the move and under tackle and consistently giving his WRs a chance to make a play on the deep throws.  We should be able to see if he improves in those areas rather easily.  I think 400+ points would be a nice benchmark.

 

 

400 points would be nice, but that's a team measure, not a QB stat.

[NFLBighits]

I'm going to say Championship football!!! His arm strength is unbelievable, that and his awareness is pretty darn good also and his mobilty is up there also.  Now just reading the field a tad better and with a better supporting cast around him, the sky is the limit.???

[DocLawless]

I would like to go on record and say that Josh Allen will be a clear cut top 10 QB and win a Super Bowl with our Buffalo Bills. McBeane will be a big reason why. GO BILLS!

[GoBills808]

Perennial top 5 QBand I’ve said so from day1

[JESSEFEFFER]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

400 points would be nice, but that's a team measure, not a QB stat.

If they make that improvement in scoring, he'd be the biggest contributor to it.   There'd be improvements in most all of the "individual" QB stats.

[Aireskoi]

I'll go on record saying he will be a Superbowl winning QB for us.

 

We should be in the playoffs 'most every year with him, IMV.

 

I think he's the most exciting player in football.  

 

He's with Barkley running their own rookie minicamp, getting the noobs ready to hit the ground running.

 

While other NFL kids are running around with guns trying to get $800.00 and a new watch.

 

[formerlyofCtown]

7 hours ago, freddyjj said:

He has a Matthew Stafford type career.  Wows you but not a difference maker. 

He has already been a difference maker.

Elevated the play of the team on both sides of the ball.

Drawn Free agents to Buffalo that may not have been willing to come here before.

Led the league in forth quarter comebacks in 2019.

 

[formerlyofCtown]

4 hours ago, Bangarang said:

 

Allen already surpassed him.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

5 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

I think he cracks the top 15 this year, followed by top 10 in 2021. After that I could see him crack the top 5 for a stretch. There's just something about him, he has "it", that competitive edge, the clutch gene. In those two regards he reminds me so much of Kelly. Let's face it, he was behind the learning curve coming out of college and has been playing catch up ever since.

 

After game 4 he had 17 TDs & only 3 INTs.

Inside the redzone 12 TDs & 0 INTs

Inside the 10 yard line 13/21 with 8 TDs & 0 INTs

Played in his first prime time games, all on the road, won the first 2 and was knocking on the door to tie the game at the end of the only game he lost of the 3.

His QB Rating last year, in the 4th quarter with the score +/- 7 points was over 110.0 with 5 TDs & 0 INTs. 

He tied for the league lead in 4th quarter comebacks. 

 

But it's not just on him, he'll need some help.

He needs more help from the running game and with Gore being replaced with Moss I think he'll get it. Only 4 rushing TDs by the RBs last year, Josh had 9.

The O-Line needs to play better. Way too many times we found ourselves in 1st or 2nd & 20, drive killers. Too many total whiffs throughout the year, usually in critical times.

WRs & Knox need to cut down on drops.

 

Basically about 10 more passing yards a quarter and another TD every 1.5 games and he'll crack the top 10(Using 2019 numbers). Fix the long ball and show improvement against the all out blitzes and he'll be well on his way. GO BILLS!!!

 

Outstanding post!

[HOUSE]

Maybe its me but he is top 10 now. The guy needed some WRs

He is a special QB, the perfect guy for Buffalo

I see we have 5 New York Jet fans voting here today. I love the Frank Gore signing but can he play quarterback too ?

Edited May 15, 2020 by HOUSE

[BigBillsFan]

PREDICTION: He'll only be resigned if he is willing to take a Dalton like contract from the Bengals. If so yes.

 

SPECULATION: I predict a slight regression in average QB salaries in the next 5 yrs. The top guys will get paid more than ever, but the rest of the pack will have a regression.

 

Looking at how Beane plays his hand he likes to not overspend on 1 player because it puts too much pressure on the team and the draft.

 

I can't see Josh being a great passer to justify the contract and if he's resigned it's because we're "winning" but let me also go on record that the W/L will change drastically without their ability to play defense like McDermott wants and if you want to see the great struggle between Bean and McD this will be the test.

 

I'm also on record if the schedule holds up to be a hard one the coach will want to move from Allen if he doesn't massively step up. He's basically a liability as a passer with elite athletic ability at this point, so if he steps up as a passer we'll all be happy.

 

 

[TroutDog]

Top ten and also the best QB from his cohort. He has already shown marked improvement and that will continue this year with the added weapons. By ‘21, he will be top five.

 

He has the aforementioned ‘it’ factor and the physical tools...just needed to catch up in the knowledge department and that is and has been happening. 
 

Go Josh!!!!

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

4 hours ago, Bangarang said:

 

Oops.  I saw the Denver colours, and wondered what CK had to do with JA's future accomplishments.

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Where's the 300 yard passing game statistic in my options?  ?

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Based upon my hopes for him and the team, voted top 10.

[JMF2006]

We have not had a QB with this skill set since Jimbo.

 

Jim came out if a Big School and a couple of years to refine his craft with Mouse in the USFL

 

Josh comes to us straight out of a Small School direct to the NFL,,,,,,but with all the Ability Brashness and Confidence to be a Superstar and a very likeable one at that.

 

This kid is a natural born leader and his teammates would run through walls for him.

 

I voted Top 10 but I Billieve top 5,3,2,1? the skies the limit hang on for the ride

 

Now where is that wall?   (and I am just a fan)

[JMF2006]

7 hours ago, msw2112 said:

I'm a big Allen fan and think he will continue to develop and become one of the best in the league.  I still have some doubts.  Can anyone point to examples of NFL QBs who flashed great potential in their first couple of years, but had some question marks, and eventually became great?  I would exclude a guy like Aaron Rodgers, who was not starting and playing in his first few years.  Cam Newton was fantastic as a rookie, so he doesn't follow this pattern.  I think Big Ben had a great rookie year too, so he wouldn't fit the bill.  Mahomes only started 1 game as a rookie then was lights out in year 2, so again, he wouldn't fit the bill either.  Brady was on the bench, but became an instant winner once he took over the starting job, so again, doesn't fit the mold.

 

One that kind of fits the bill is Alex Smith, who struggled his first few years, but eventually became very good (but not great).  I'd appreciate any input from the board.  It would make me feel better about Allen's prospects if we can find suitable comparisons for high potential guys took some time to reach the highest levels, but got there....

 

See number 12 WOF HOF and sweater retired.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Kelly

6 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Future GOAT and he will be paired with fellow future GOAT RB McCaffrey here soon enough

 

I think the 6 year deal he just signed makes him a black cat for life

[JMF2006]

6 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Don't worry. Not allowed.

 

Are we cursed if Adam Schein predicts it, though?

 

 

Not really he thought the Bills would make the playoffs last year and could win the AFCE.

 

He was on the Bills band wagon last spring.

[CEN-CAL17]

Well since some analysts have him as a dark horse MVP candidate, it’s not hard to believe he has the potential to be a top 10 QB. 
 

I think his potential put him inside top 10.  I say top 10.

[JMF2006]

5 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Allen is a gamer with a will to win that hasn’t been this visceral around here since the glory days imho. The team has quickly gelled around his young leadership because it’s obvious he puts his money where his mouth is and has their back—willing to do whatever it takes to daily get better is a hallmark of future champions is it not?  

 

 

I love that pic....that captures JA 17 in a nutshell....fearless and strong.....like out of my face Barr I don`t care how good you are I am better

Edited May 15, 2020 by JMF2006
wrong player its Barr thanks Foxx :)

[Bring it]

Becomes a top five Qb. That’s if he can avoid being riddled with injuries. I believe that with the combination of Josh, McDermott and Beane, we will finally get a Lombardi!!

[Foxx]

8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

I'm not allowed as per @Foxx, but I've been on record previously and I'm sure he'll be able to relay my own predictions 

lol, no... your not allowed because you lost a bet.  if you want to assign blame, perhaps you might look in the mirror? 'tis not my fault you make ill fated predictions. without you being able to jinx us though, Josh just might be the man.

 

btw, Bills Nation... your welcome.

Edited May 15, 2020 by Foxx

[machine gun kelly]

7 hours ago, msw2112 said:

I'm a big Allen fan and think he will continue to develop and become one of the best in the league.  I still have some doubts.  Can anyone point to examples of NFL QBs who flashed great potential in their first couple of years, but had some question marks, and eventually became great?  I would exclude a guy like Aaron Rodgers, who was not starting and playing in his first few years.  Cam Newton was fantastic as a rookie, so he doesn't follow this pattern.  I think Big Ben had a great rookie year too, so he wouldn't fit the bill.  Mahomes only started 1 game as a rookie then was lights out in year 2, so again, he wouldn't fit the bill either.  Brady was on the bench, but became an instant winner once he took over the starting job, so again, doesn't fit the mold.

 

One that kind of fits the bill is Alex Smith, who struggled his first few years, but eventually became very good (but not great).  I'd appreciate any input from the board.  It would make me feel better about Allen's prospects if we can find suitable comparisons for high potential guys took some time to reach the highest levels, but got there....

MSW, you may be right, but Alex Smith was amazing at ball control, almost never threw picks, and was fine with throwing it away.  Allen has to progress significantly to be in that ballpark.  I’m very hopeful he will do it.  I’m not going on record he will be one of the best as we haven’t seen it yet, but cautiously optimistic.

[eball]

7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Don't you have a gap where we can't weigh in between top half and top 10?

 

 

My thinking is top-10 means a star.  Top "half" means that 15-20 range that doesn't wow anyone but isn't awful.

[Chandler#81]

8 hours ago, Augie said:

Can I get back to you in a year or two? 

 

Hope he keeps making strides forward, and I think he will. How far? That’s impossible to say at this point. 

 

I think he’ll be top 10 in intangibles, but probably not quite that high in stats. 

 

 

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No, ma’am. Grow a pair. Make a pick. Yeeesh?‍♂️

8 hours ago, freddyjj said:

He has a Matthew Stafford type career.  Wows you but not a difference maker. 

 

[Foxx]

13 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:

 

I love that pic....that captures JA 17 in a nutshell....fearless and strong.....like out of my face Suggs I don`t care how good you are I am better

with the free NFL Game Pass that the NFL has been so kind to give away, i have been watching a lot of the older games. i think that is of Barr, not Suggs.  last night i watched that Minnesota game from Josh's rookie year, he owned Barr that game, got him good a couple times including that infamous leap. what struck me most though from that game was just how horrible our receivers were in '18. watching Josh throw to the likes of Benjamin, Jones, Holmes and Clay was incredibly horrid. 

[Gugny]

8 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

I think Josh Josh will be a top 10 QB in the league. If not this year than next

 

I don't think he will be a meddling starter

 

I'm putting 100 on him to win mvp this Season

 

[JMF2006]

7 minutes ago, Foxx said:

with the free NFL Game Pass that the NFL has been so kind to give away, i have been watching a lot of the older games. i think that is of Barr, not Suggs.  last night i watched that Minnesota game from Josh's rookie year, he owned Barr that game, got him good a couple times including that infamous leap. what struck me most though from that game was just how horrible our receivers were in '18. watching Josh throw to the likes of Benjamin, Jones, Holmes and Clay was incredibly horrid. 

 

You are correct sir

 

I just enlarged it now and it clearly is Big ole Barr who Josh later hurdled in another unbillievable highlight reel moment of his young career :)

Edited May 15, 2020 by JMF2006

[JMF2006]

9 minutes ago, Foxx said:

with the free NFL Game Pass that the NFL has been so kind to give away, i have been watching a lot of the older games. i think that is of Barr, not Suggs.  last night i watched that Minnesota game from Josh's rookie year, he owned Barr that game, got him good a couple times including that infamous leap. what struck me most though from that game was just how horrible our receivers were in '18. watching Josh throw to the likes of Benjamin, Jones, Holmes and Clay was incredibly horrid. 

 

I wish we got it free here damned DAZN owns the rights here and they  make every excuse in the world to not give it away free here.

 

Such as all of our properties(rights) are grouped together and there is no way to break them apart and we(DAZN) can`t give it all away

[formerlyofCtown]

1 hour ago, HOUSE said:

Maybe its me but he is top 10 now. The guy needed some WRs

He is a special QB, the perfect guy for Buffalo

I see we have 5 New York Jet fans voting here today. I love the Frank Gore signing but can he play quarterback too ?

Gore can't play QB for the Jets.  He doesn't turn the ball over enough.

[Brennan Huff]

He’s going to be the first QB to throw a hundred TDs in a single season 

[Sherlock Holmes]

1 hour ago, JMF2006 said:

 

See number 12 WOF HOF and sweater retired.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Kelly

 

I think the 6 year deal he just signed makes him a black cat for life

That deal was to make sure when we trade for him he's locked up already at a good price

[Buffalo Boy]

   Could he flame out this year? Yes.

I think the chance of that happening is below 10%.

    He WANTS it. He will do what it takes to get it. 
    JA has that rare quality of having complete belief in himself while being truly coach able. He can see where he is, in his growth, while still knowing he can get better at anything he sets his mind to. Then he works it. 
    Before last season “he couldn’t hit the short pass.” He worked it and VOILA he could.

    It looked like he would always play “ hero ball” and force risky throws because he believed in his arm. After doing that early , with NE game being the worst, the coaches got in his ear and he allowed himself to be dialed back. Some on here said he was “ hesitant “ or “ gun shy “. Turns out he was just coach able. 

    I didn’t see this with Mayfield. Rosen looks lost and defeated every time he’s on the field. 

    Once Brady, Brees and Rothlisberger, Rivers and possibly Rogers are out Josh will clearly be one of the top ten in the league. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, eball said:

 

My thinking is top-10 means a star.  Top "half" means that 15-20 range that doesn't wow anyone but isn't awful.

So what if I think he cracks the top half but not the top 10?

[BarleyNY]

10 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

I'd like to know what top 10 means here? Tops in wins? TDs? Yards? Beauty contest?

 

I want him to meddle.

This is pretty important.  By what metrics?  Circumstances were very much not in Allen’s favor his rookie season and while the offense was competent last season it wasn’t complete.  Many here give him a big pass for all of that (and that’s warranted to some degree), but don’t give much thought or credence to how circumstances impacted other QBs.

 

The reality is that this is an enormous season for Allen.  The team around him is about as good as it’ll ever get.  With the salary cap restrictions it’s just not possible to expect much better overall talent than we have now year to year.  That really plays into the question of paying Allen because his next contract would take the place of 2-3 contracts of other impact players.  He needs to substantially step up to earn that IMO.
 

I hope he does.  He certainly has a ton of raw talent.  His splash plays are great, but his consistency is not.  I know that at this point the odds of QBs correcting some of the issues he has had aren’t good.  But those are overall odds.  Allen was so raw coming into the NFL that there’s reason to think that those odds don’t apply as much to him.  That since he wasn’t as developed as typical QBs he still has room for improvement in areas where most don’t.

 

What I do know for certain is that the clock is ticking.  The first financial decision on him - a fully guaranteed fifth year option - has to be made next off season.  I think any real improvement at all and the Bills execute that. What will be more telling will be what he eventually gets paid and whether the Bills are the ones to pay him.  A combination of that and advanced metrics will be the best indicator of where he eventually stands.  

[teef]

I don’t think he’ll be top 10 yet, but I expect him to be in the 10-15 range.  Also, if he’s not a 10 ten guy this year, that doesn’t me he won’t or can’t be the following year.  Josh May just have a slower learning curve, but there’s has to be significant improvement each year.  No more hoping. 

[No_Matter_What]

I am just rewatching complete season and I just finished first Miami game.

 

It is hard not to see mistakes he makes and hard not too see his pros and development. I love him and I want him to succeed. As a Bills fan, I can't vote anything else that he'll be a top 10 QB, since tools are definitely there he just needs to work on them, balance things, get more consistent and avoid mental mistakes.

 

What I would love to see is this poll among unbiased experts. Unfortunately there is no such group.

[Irv]

Will get injured if he doesn't stop running so much

[atlbillsfan1975]

Great thread! 
This is the perfect time to weigh in on this matter given Josh’s improvement from year one to year two. If Josh takes the same type of leap this year he will be a top 10 QB. Beane has given him all the weapons, Daboll back is a good thing for Josh’s development in the same system(I am not a Daboll fan, but think consistency at this point is key for Josh). Given what we know about Josh on and off the field, everything points to a raw prospect putting it all together this season. I will be surprised if by the end of the season we aren’t all saying ‘we got our QB’. Most of us are already.

[Boatdrinks]

I’ll say other. Allen gets a second contract with the Bills, is a top half of the league QB but doesn’t regularly make the top ten in passing statistics. He will lead the Bills to the playoffs and win. He will have his fans, and his detractors because he never fits into the neat little category that pundits say is a top ten NFL QB.