T master Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 A lot of the talk this off season here has been on the Bills trading for Stephon Diggs which although we view it as a instant upgrade to the WR room at one bills drive some think the Bills paid to much to get him but i for one believe there were some underlying factors that pushed his price as far as draft pick compensation higher than it would have normally given those involved in trying to get his services . I have heard that not only the Bills were after Diggs but so were the Pats which may or may not have made a difference if Brady decided to stay or not we will never know but if by some chance Beane knew as much that alone could have made him decide to give more in compensation than normal to keep the wicked witch of the east from staying on top for another couple of years . A lot of comparison has been drawn to the Hopkins deal with the Cards of which they got him for a song this guy was one of the best since he came out in the draft & he just goes & does his job there is no prime donna tendencies surrounding him at all like his soon to be team mate Fitz in AZ. One larger than life NFL Expert Peter King thinks the Bills over paid for Diggs due in part to the amount of WR's in this years draft i'm not sure if one of those players could have been drafted by the Bills & made as big of a contribution as Diggs in their first yr but i do know they could have been a lot cheaper in respect to how many players they could have gotten in the draft & how much monetary compensation they will pay for one player vs. 4 they gave up . https://billswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/23/peter-king-buffalo-bills-overpaid-vikings-stefon-diggs/ I guess we will all be hyped to see exactly what Diggs will bring to the table & if Josh will cash in on his presence in the offense. I trust Beane in that to this point he has made more moves to better the team than hurt it so i am giving him the benefit of the doubt even though the compensation was pretty high for this player but if he makes that big of a immediate difference then it will all be worth it !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Who's Stephon Diggs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Fresh take but I'd prefer we talk about our WR Stefon Diggs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 we didn't give up that much...a 1st is fair for Diggs. We gave away extra 5th and 6th and not really worried about a 2021 4th rounder 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Proven #1 WR. Definitely worth a #1 pick. With all the additional FA signings, we could afford the additional picks (plus, we had extra 5th/6th anyway from previous good moves). So it comes down to next years' 4th round pick. Still worth it IMO. Yes, many flashy, young WR available in this years' draft, but Bills think their time to win is NOW. Don't have time for a potential #1 WR to go through the 1st/2nd year growing pains. Diggs is immediate plug-n-play. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said: Proven #1 WR. Definitely worth a #1 pick. With all the additional FA signings, we could afford the additional picks (plus, we had extra 5th/6th anyway from previous good moves). So it comes down to next years' 4th round pick. Still worth it IMO. Yes, many flashy, young WR available in this years' draft, but Bills think their time to win is NOW. Don't have time for a potential #1 WR to go through the 1st/2nd year growing pains. Diggs is immediate plug-n-play. Especially considering he is 26 in his prime and has 4 years on his contract that is basically half price of what Amari Cooper just got.. Edited March 23, 2020 by matter2003 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Well if Peter King would like to call his shot on which WR that could be picked between, say, 18 and 22 (assuming we could have reasonably moved up to 18) that will succeed at the level Diggs has he's more than welcome to. Lost in all the "tHe biLLs oVeRPaiD" nonsense is the report that Hopkins wants an AB-like raise on his current contract. Not an extension. A raise. Which drives his value down on the trade market. Still a stupid trade, but slightly more understandable with that news. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Is there such thing as “overpaying” for a super bowl title? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Only time will tell. Personally today I'm ok with the deal as we need this type of talent on the team. The win now window is open and I'd prefer not waiting on a the development of a WR we'd draft this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 In order for Josh Allen to develop into a true franchise QB, he needs sure bets at WR. What would it do to his development if the Bills would have taken a rookie WR at 22 and he didn't play at a top level? What are the chances that a rookie WR plays at a top level. We are getting a WR that is proven and that is what Josh Allen needs. How many rookie WRs did Mahomes have on his Super Bowl team? Kansas City had Watkins and Hill, and drafted rookie Mecole Hardman (6 tds but only 26 receptions). It was a steep price, but it is going to pay off big time for the Bills and Allen to have John Brown, Cole Beasley, and Stefon Diggs at WR, and probably a 3rd or 4th round WR rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv001 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 I'm glad Peter King is not our GM. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Especially considering he is 26 in his prime and has 4 years on his contract that is basically half price of what Amari Cooper just got.. But don't you understand it's automatic to get one in this years draft? I mean, there's just so many receivers all you have to do is draft one. At pick #22 we'd have our choice between the 4th - 7th wide receiver taken in the 1st round. Why would you take someone proven when a blind shot to a small target is right there in your face? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 25 minutes ago, T master said: A lot of the talk this off season here has been on the Bills trading for Stephon Diggs which although we view it as a instant upgrade to the WR room at one bills drive some think the Bills paid to much to get him but i for one believe there were some underlying factors that pushed his price as far as draft pick compensation higher than it would have normally given those involved in trying to get his services . I have heard that not only the Bills were after Diggs but so were the Pats which may or may not have made a difference if Brady decided to stay or not we will never know but if by some chance Beane knew as much that alone could have made him decide to give more in compensation than normal to keep the wicked witch of the east from staying on top for another couple of years . A lot of comparison has been drawn to the Hopkins deal with the Cards of which they got him for a song this guy was one of the best since he came out in the draft & he just goes & does his job there is no prime donna tendencies surrounding him at all like his soon to be team mate Fitz in AZ. One larger than life NFL Expert Peter King thinks the Bills over paid for Diggs due in part to the amount of WR's in this years draft i'm not sure if one of those players could have been drafted by the Bills & made as big of a contribution as Diggs in their first yr but i do know they could have been a lot cheaper in respect to how many players they could have gotten in the draft & how much monetary compensation they will pay for one player vs. 4 they gave up . https://billswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/23/peter-king-buffalo-bills-overpaid-vikings-stefon-diggs/ I guess we will all be hyped to see exactly what Diggs will bring to the table & if Josh will cash in on his presence in the offense. I trust Beane in that to this point he has made more moves to better the team than hurt it so i am giving him the benefit of the doubt even though the compensation was pretty high for this player but if he makes that big of a immediate difference then it will all be worth it !! Congratulations on your 4,951st new thread! 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 So let me start this by saying I am thankful there are so many level headed people in regards to this trade. NO, the Bills did not give up too much in the trade, not at all. They didn’t even give up a ton or “pay a steep price.” Perhaps I missed it in the massive Diggs thread, but the ones who are saying the Bills gave up too much are not saying what they would have given up or where they would have drawn the line. So if you feel they gave up too much, please enlighten me on what would have been a “fair trade.” (Insert eye roll at that phrase) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Do you get paid for starting threads? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 No 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Peter King...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 30 minutes ago, Lurker said: Who's Stephon Diggs? How do you dig to deep? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said: How do you dig to deep? Dig to deep what? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) I'm going to wood burn or bronze this somewhere. "One larger than life NFL Expert Peter King thinks the Bills over paid for Diggs due in part to the amount of WR's in this years draft i'm not sure if one of those players could have been drafted by the Bills & made as big of a contribution as Diggs in their first yr but i do know they could have been a lot cheaper in respect to how many players they could have gotten in the draft & how much monetary compensation they will pay for one player vs. 4 they gave up ." It's a long sentence, but necessary. Edited March 23, 2020 by White Linen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Honestly, this topic is is going to be beaten to death due to lack of anything else to talk about. Long story short, Beane lined us up to go for the homerun. A young, cost controlled, top tier, proven asset. Stinks not having a first rounder. I'm sure, at points there may be a rookie or two that are out producing Diggs, and it will elicit a narrow minded group to trash the trade. However, it was a great/bold move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Opening the door for Diggs apparently closed the door on Brady. I’m happy to throw in an extra 4th for that! His talent, age and contract make the value just fine. He’ll want a new deal before this one is up, but he’ll be “cheap” for a while. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 And here the rebuttal to King from Ryan Talbot: https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2020/03/why-peter-king-is-wrong-about-the-buffalo-bills-overpaying-for-stefon-diggs.html Quote First and foremost, it’s not fair to compare Buffalo’s trade package to the one the Arizona Cardinals sent to the Houston Texans for DeAndre Hopkins. Bill O’Brien’s incompetence as the Texans’ GM should not be held against Brandon Beane or any other GM in the league. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madd Charlie Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) Its not even close to being too much. We got an absolute sure thing at wr on a good contract. Yes the draft is deep but no one who would be available even if we used all of the picks we traded to move up would be a sure thing in the NFL. Truth is these guys have a lot of time on their hands right now and getting Bills fans upset on the internet seems to be big business. Edited March 23, 2020 by Madd Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 The one and only thing that bothered me about this trade was having to wait another day to hear about our first pick. I can live with that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 We had the LUXURY to make this trade because of the great drafting and FA moves by Beane. Because of the talent and depth already on the roster, I LOVE the move. Timing is everything and we needed a legit # 1 and got him for pick 22 , the other picks would have struggled to make the roster anyway! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) who cares .... he our receiver now. if he upgrades our offense and plays as good as we think he will... nobody will care Edited March 23, 2020 by gordong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Buffalo Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Albert Breer lays it out well in this article (scroll to near end, after the Brady/Patriots drama) - https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/03/23/tampa-bay-buccaneers-scout-tom-brady-diggs-hopkins-trades We paid what was necessary to get the player we wanted. He's a great fit on many levels and makes a ton of sense. As others have said, not every GM is Bill O.brien... sometime you actually have to pay a price to get something valuable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 As part of home schooling, my 8 year old daughter is doing a worksheet today on when to use 'to', 'too' or 'two'. I'll PM a copy to the OP. Maybe I can dig up the ones on capitalization and punctuation. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 It only seems that way in comparison to what Arizona gave to Houston to get Hopkins. Unfortunately Beane wasn't dealing with a GM with the incompetence level of Bill O'Brien. The compensation for Diggs was fair and considering the current contract he's obligated to makes the trade much more desirable. Hopkins is already in negotiations for a new deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 If the Hopkins fleecing (ooops I mean trade) didn’t happen before nobody would even be batting an eye lash at this trade. Odell was traded for a better first rounder and a 3rd, of course other players were involved but the Diggs trade was not too much all things considered. If he plays out even 1-2 seasons on his current salary and keeps the same production it’s a huge steal. I can’t see any actual reason to not like this deal minus some people just feel the need to complain and criticize everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 The new contract Hopkins was looking for made trading him harder. Just like with AB last year. So the compensation was smaller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Booey Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Peter King is just upset that we got Diggs over his little buddies up in New England, so he has to put down the trade and make it look like we spent to much. F Peter King and his Patriots loving fat a**!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) Random thoughts... Peter King. I like King's writing. I respect his insider information. His judgments and opinions, though, are often wrong. For example, back when Doug Whaley was with the Steelers, King said the Bills should make him our GM. Hopkins. Any comparisons to the Hopkins trade are problematic. Despite his obvious talent, few teams actually wanted Hopkins because (1) he wants $20 million/year and (2) he doesn't like to practice. As One Buffalo suggests, check out today's MMQB article by Albert Breer. Draft. There's been some buzz that the Bills were less enamored with this year's WR crop than some others. Furthermore, no draft pick is a sure thing. Getting Diggs puts the Bills in the enviable position that they can truly draft BPA instead of reaching for needs. Diggs. This is a proven NFL WR who can beat press and does well against zone or man and excels at contested balls. At $12M/year, his price is reasonable. Edited March 23, 2020 by hondo in seattle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 27 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: Honestly, this topic is is going to be beaten to death due to lack of anything else to talk about. Long story short, Beane lined us up to go for the homerun. A young, cost controlled, top tier, proven asset. Stinks not having a first rounder. I'm sure, at points there may be a rookie or two that are out producing Diggs, and it will elicit a narrow minded group to trash the trade. However, it was a great/bold move. Outstanding! That's exactly what happened here. McBeane had decided they were ready, they had enough, to go for the championship. They knew they could plug their defensive holes in free agency and they needed a receiver. As free agency approached and it began to look like Diggs could be gotten, they went into action. It was almost surgical, just like how quickly Beane dealt to get Allen and Edmund's. It all days they expect to win now. It also says they are all in on Josh. He is the guy they will do it with. That's how they saw it, and a late round pick or two way not going to stop. None of us cared when the Pegulas overspent to be sure they got the Bills. I dont see why we worry that the Bills overspent on Diggs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, nucci said: we didn't give up that much...a 1st is fair for Diggs. We gave away extra 5th and 6th and not really worried about a 2021 4th rounder The 5th & 6th were a bit much but if it helped expedite Brady leaving the AFCE, it was worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, LABILLBACKER said: The 5th & 6th were a bit much but if it helped expedite Brady leaving the AFCE, it was worth it. Maybe but we had extras to trade... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, nucci said: Maybe but we had extras to trade... Yup. The studs the Bills could have picked with the picks they traded away can still be had! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 54 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: How do you dig to deep? It's like digging to China, but not quite getting there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 We weren't getting Diggs for less than a 1st round pick, period. Minnesota didn't HAVE to trade him, but they were willing to for the right return value. The late picks are just sweeteners, who would have very little chance of making the team in Buffalo. We paid the going rate, which is a fair price. If you ask me, we're lucky a team with a higher 1st rounder wasn't in on the bidding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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