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1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Is there such thing as “overpaying” for a super bowl title?

Ask Kraft.

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1 minute ago, Mat68 said:

The draft picks Buffalo gave up equates to a draft day trade up from 22 to 18.  For a pressumed #1 that filled a massive void on the roster is a complete no brainer.  The picks sound like alot but in reality the 5th and 6th picks are throw ins. 

 

Im not sure the NFL talking heads are even aware how those picks were accumulated.  If NE was in on Diggs using their pick in the package is 3d chess and histerical.  Beane turned 2 lineman who where not making the team last fall into pieces used to secure a # 1 wr.  I think if the media told the whole story Buffalo comes out ahead.  

 

The only real question was 22 too much?  Will that player be the caliber of Diggs?  Its debatable.  With Brady gone the division is wide open for the taking. Diggs completes the 11 personal and allows the weapons to slide into proper roles that better stresses a defense.  Overall im not that impressed with highend depth of talent in this class.  I feel by 22 you are essentially in the second round.

 

It's actually somewhere between 20 and 21, so essentially 21 since teams don't round up for you.  The thing that catches everyone is the 4th rounder next year is worth a 5th rounder this year.

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1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

It's actually somewhere between 20 and 21, so essentially 21 since teams don't round up for you.  The thing that catches everyone is the 4th rounder next year is worth a 5th rounder this year.

Right thats a future, its also easily replaced if buffalo trades down at any point day 2 or start of day 3.

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I'm not sure how they can determine if the Bills over paid or not. Season hasn't been started and we have no idea how Diggs will impact Allen or the Bills offense. 

If he comes out and leads the league in TDs, yardage and receptions and the Bills make a big playoff push as well as win the division, then they got him for a steal. 

 

If he tanks with the Bills then they got fleeced.

 

At this point its nothing more than opinions and we all know opinions are like butt holes, we all have them.

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2 hours ago, T master said:

A lot of the talk this off season here has been on the Bills trading for Stephon Diggs which although we view it as a instant upgrade to the WR room at one bills drive some think the Bills paid to much to get him but i for one believe there were some underlying factors that pushed his price as far as draft pick compensation higher than it would have normally given those involved in trying to get his services .

 

I have heard that not only the Bills were after Diggs but so were the Pats which may or may not have made a difference if Brady decided to stay or not we will never know but if by some chance Beane knew as much that alone could have made him decide to give more in compensation than normal to keep the wicked witch of the east from staying on top for another couple of years .

 

A lot of comparison has been drawn to the Hopkins deal with the Cards of which they got him for a song this guy was one of the best since he came out in the draft & he just goes & does his job there is no prime donna tendencies surrounding him at all like his soon to be team mate Fitz in AZ. 

 

One larger than life NFL Expert Peter King thinks the Bills over paid for Diggs due in part to the amount of WR's in this years draft i'm not sure if one of those players could have been drafted by the Bills & made as big of a contribution as Diggs in their first yr but i do know they could have been a lot cheaper in respect to how many players they could have gotten in the draft & how much monetary compensation they will pay for one player vs. 4 they gave up .

 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/23/peter-king-buffalo-bills-overpaid-vikings-stefon-diggs/

 

I guess we will all be hyped to see exactly what Diggs will bring to the table & if Josh will cash in on his presence in the offense. I trust Beane in that to this point he has made more moves to better the team than hurt it so i am giving him the benefit of the doubt even though the compensation was pretty high for this player but if he makes that big of a immediate difference then it will all be worth it !! 

 

 

 

 

Yo, check this out!

An ENTIRE thread with the answers you seek!!

Youll find likeminded people talking about the same thing!

I think you'll 'digg it' ;)

 

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3 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Right thats a future, its also easily replaced if buffalo trades down at any point day 2 or start of day 3.

 

Yup.  Or even next year.

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Draft pick:  Lottery ticket scratch off

 

Diggs:  Wheelbarrow of dollars

 

Your choice as General Manager.  

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Posted (edited)

We acquired an established stud WR that is the NFLs contested catch king and route running technician with speed, acceleration, toughness and some attitude that is under contract for 4 years at a tremendous value for a WR of his caliber.

 

no.  We didn’t overpay. Ask all my Vikings friends who are depressed and are conceding a rebuild

 

meanwhile, the Vikings will hope that they draft players that are good

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2 hours ago, LeviF91 said:

Well if Peter King would like to call his shot on which WR that could be picked between, say, 18 and 22 (assuming we could have reasonably moved up to 18) that will succeed at the level Diggs has he's more than welcome to.

 

Lost in all the "tHe biLLs oVeRPaiD" nonsense is the report that Hopkins wants an AB-like raise on his current contract.  Not an extension.  A raise.  Which drives his value down on the trade market.  Still a stupid trade, but slightly more understandable with that news.

 

Peter King is an insufferable hack. 

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2 hours ago, matter2003 said:

 

Especially considering he is 26 in his prime and has 4 years on his contract that is basically half price of what Amari Cooper just got..

Diggs might be unhappy and want to restructure, that's the only concern 

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2 hours ago, White Linen said:

 

But don't you understand it's automatic to get one in this years draft?  I mean, there's just so many receivers all you have to do is draft one.  At pick #22 we'd have our choice between the 4th - 7th wide receiver taken in the 1st round.  

 

Why would you take someone proven when a blind shot to a small target is right there in your face?

 

Is it also automatic that they become a #1 WR or would it be more likely they end up like Zay Jones?

 

Also what timeframe are we talking about? Sometimes they can take up to 3 years to develop. And who is to say they don't draft one in the 2nd or 3rd round? From what I have heard the draft is so deep in WR that there isn't much separating the 6th WR from the 20th...

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2 hours ago, T master said:

One larger than life NFL Expert Peter King thinks the Bills over paid for Diggs due in part to the amount of WR's in this years draft i'm not sure if one of those players could have been drafted by the Bills & made as big of a contribution as Diggs in their first yr but i do know they could have been a lot cheaper in respect to how many players they could have gotten in the draft & how much monetary compensation they will pay for one player vs. 4 they gave up .

Is this the same Peter King who didn't vote Troy Polamalu into the Hall of Fame?

 

Who understands his logic other than it is generally flawed.

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How many of those draft picks would make the team?

 

I know that those picks equal a known top NFL WR that the Bills have not had... This century. Not an unknown or some late round booger pick, a top of the line WR l, the ones that make bad QBs look average once in a while, makes great QBs... Well, look perfect at times. 

 

This can only be a good thing for Josh.

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16 minutes ago, Cal said:

Diggs might be unhappy and want to restructure, that's the only concern 

I'm sure those conversations have happened. If he performs this year then they'll pay him his worth.

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Most of those saying the Bills paid too much are also ( rightly) chiding Bill O’Brien for the Hopkins trade. Can’t have it both ways. Bottom line ; talking heads think the price was too high because Diggs will be playing for the Bills. 

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The people that complain about the Diggs trade are probably the people that said “I’m just glad we have a team!” During the bills 17 year drought 

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Peter King is a Patriot shill and a buffoon.  This morning I heard an analyst on Howard and Jeremy say that if you added all the assets that we gave up for Diggs, it would move us up to 18th pick in this year's draft. At 18 we're not going to get anybody with the skill set of Stefon Diggs, at least not for the next year or 2. This was a great move.  It's win now baby. King can wallow with the last place Patriots this year!

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3 hours ago, T master said:

 

 

One larger than life NFL Expert Peter King thinks the Bills over paid for Diggs due in part to the amount of WR's in this years draft i'm not sure if one of those players could have been drafted by the Bills & made as big of a contribution as Diggs in their first yr but i do know they could have been a lot cheaper in respect to how many players they could have gotten in the draft & how much monetary compensation they will pay for one player vs. 4 they gave up .

 

 

 

 

 

The thing is that if they drafted all those players... it would have been unlikely they would make the team.  The other option would be trading those picks to move up and likely draft a WR.  That would be a crapshoot.  We instead used those picks to get an instant starter on this team in that position that is already proven.  Way better use of draft picks IMO.  The guy is still young and on a reasonable contract.

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Rather trade a 1st for a proven #1 in the prime of his career than take a swing in the 1st with WRs considering they have a huge bust % and generally take a year or two to really acclimate to the NFL.

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23 hours ago, PIZ said:

In order for Josh Allen to develop into a true franchise QB, he needs sure bets at WR. What would it do to his development if the Bills would have taken a rookie WR at 22 and he didn't play at a top level? What are the chances that a rookie WR plays at a top level. We are getting a WR that is proven and that is what Josh Allen needs. How many rookie WRs did Mahomes have on his Super Bowl team? Kansas City had Watkins and Hill, and drafted rookie Mecole Hardman (6 tds but only 26 receptions). It was a steep price, but it is going to pay off big time for the Bills and Allen to have John Brown, Cole Beasley, and Stefon Diggs at WR, and probably a 3rd or 4th round WR rookie.

 

This article agrees with your opinion & to some point so do I .

 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2020/3/24/21190846/with-stefon-diggs-buffalo-bills-chose-a-steady-paycheck-over-the-lottery-minnesot-vikings-peter-king

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Casual fans overvalue draft picks, especially first rounders.  In fact, most NFL teams overvalue first round picks.  I was stumping for this sort of move before this went down and am very happy it did.  If Diggs is a good camper, then we got a good deal.  He sure has the talent to make this trade a no brainer for the Bills.  Happy there are competent grown ups in charge. 

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/overthecap.com/multiple-first-round-pick-for-player-trades/amp/
 

Here is an article from OverTheCap that talks about these kinds of trades.  They end their analysis on players traded for two first round picks, but the explanation works for players traded for one as well.  I was looking for a different article, but this one touches on most of the same stuff. 

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Realistically, Beane was going to trade up somewhere in the draft, so some of those later picks were going to be moved regardless.  Nothing in his past indicated we were going to stand pat and take 9 players.

 

To get a proven #1 that can both gain separation and grab contested balls is a better return than any project in this draft.

 

Any conversation related to Hopkins is worthless.  O'Brien may have had to move Hopkins, but he needed to create a bidding war to get more than he did.  He did not need to move him on Day 1 of the tampering period.  He absolutely did not need to pick up Johnson's contract to boot.  That whole deal needs to exist in a vacuum.

 

What the Bills gave up was fair and appropriate.  Peter King has forgotten how to report on the NFL.  He has become too opinionated and arrogant.  I typically turn him off when I hear him in an interview.

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