What would an “All In” move be to you?

[Virgil]

With Brady leaving, the Jets and Dolphins figuring things out, and two years until we have to pay Josh, what would be your ideal ”All in” front office move to take advantage of these next two years?

The Hooper thing still bothers me as I think we’d have the best offensive weapons in the league and be almost indefensible.  
 

I definitely want a RB in rounds 2 or 3, especially if it’s one of the top 3 guys. 
 

I don’t have a great feeling about Yannick or Clowney, but I think they respect they’d command would make our defense terrifying.
 

Of the two, I’d prefer Clowney because he can “technically” drop back into coverage and wouldn’t require giving up a pick.  
 

Either way, I’d do a heavily front loaded deal for the first two years that either gives us an out or drops the salary dramatically.  
 

A part of me really wishes we got a Diggs for a second, because I’d really love to be able to trade up for Simmons.  
 

What’s your “All In?”

[nemhoff]

I would go after Clowney on a 3-4 year deal, draft WR/RB in in rounds 2 and 3, and then BPA after that.  Clowney is obviously the centerpiece of "All-in" for me.  I would also consider trading next year's first if you could get an impact starter at EDGE or TE

[Kirby Jackson]

Clowney hasn’t found the market that he thought he’d find. Now isn’t a bad time to try to slide in the back door and get him in. That would be the biggest “all in” move at this point.

[Buffalo03]

I would trade for Stefon Diggs.....oh wait

[hjnick]

7 minutes ago, Virgil said:

With Brady leaving, the Jets and Dolphins figuring things out, and two years until we have to pay Josh, what would be your ideal ”All in” front office move to take advantage of these next two years?

The Hooper thing still bothers me as I think we’d have the best offensive weapons in the league and be almost indefensible.  
 

I definitely want a RB in rounds 2 or 3, especially if it’s one of the top 3 guys. 
 

I don’t have a great feeling about Yannick or Clowney, but I think they respect they’d command would make our defense terrifying.
 

Of the two, I’d prefer Clowney because he can “technically” drop back into coverage and wouldn’t require giving up a pick.  
 

Either way, I’d do a heavily front loaded deal for the first two years that either gives us an out or drops the salary dramatically.  
 

A part of me really wishes we got a Diggs for a second, because I’d really love to be able to trade up for Simmons.  
 

What’s your “All In?”

 

From this point, I'd say bringing in a Top end DE, like you said.  Clowney would blow the top off this defense.

 

Another move we could make would be to pick up OT Trent Williams from Wash in a trade.  I saw somewhere they would take a 2nd for him.

 

Those 2 moves solidify both lines. 

[Virgil]

5 minutes ago, hjnick said:

 

From this point, I'd say bringing in a Top end DE, like you said.  Clowney would blow the top off this defense.

 

Another move we could make would be to pick up OT Trent Williams from Wash in a trade.  I saw somewhere they would take a 2nd for him.

 

Those 2 moves solidify both lines. 

Would you move Dawkins to RT?

[hjnick]

5 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Would you move Dawkins to RT?

Out of those 2, you would probably have to move Dawkins over.

 

Do you think Dawkins would have problems at RT?

[BillsGuru4]

Clowney

[Mat68]

That move was the trade for Diggs.

[0017]

18 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Clowney hasn’t found the market that he thought he’d find. Now isn’t a bad time to try to slide in the back door and get him in. That would be the biggest “all in” move at this point.

Ya I agree slide in the back door and go All-in!!!

[stuvian]

all in for me means the Herschel Walker trade plus the Deandre Hopkins deal and Ditka drafting Ricky Williams

[BigBillsFan]

27 minutes ago, Virgil said:

With Brady leaving, the Jets and Dolphins figuring things out, and two years until we have to pay Josh, what would be your ideal ”All in” front office move to take advantage of these next two years?

The Hooper thing still bothers me as I think we’d have the best offensive weapons in the league and be almost indefensible.  
 

I definitely want a RB in rounds 2 or 3, especially if it’s one of the top 3 guys. 
 

I don’t have a great feeling about Yannick or Clowney, but I think they respect they’d command would make our defense terrifying.
 

Of the two, I’d prefer Clowney because he can “technically” drop back into coverage and wouldn’t require giving up a pick.  
 

Either way, I’d do a heavily front loaded deal for the first two years that either gives us an out or drops the salary dramatically.  
 

A part of me really wishes we got a Diggs for a second, because I’d really love to be able to trade up for Simmons.  
 

What’s your “All In?”

 

There was only 1 other "all-in" move other than Diggs and that WAS Hooper. All of the D acquisitions might help a bit, but Hooper was THE game-changer with Diggs. If he had Hooper we would know absolutely what we have in Allen. As much as I may have said Allen needs improvements I think he would instantly change the offense.

 

The TEs for the Ravens make it easy on Lamar. We needed that.

 

Diggs is great and a coup by itself, but Hooper was the complete "all-in" for offense and the team. The only way they could rectify this is a trade for a great TE but I don't see how at this point. 

Edited March 18, 2020 by BigBillsFan

[Hebert19]

Clowney and talk Gronkowski out of retirement. 

[MJS]

All in would be trading for an elite pass rusher, but that's pretty much impossible now that we traded for Diggs. I see the Diggs move as an all in move as well.

[stinky finger]

Getting either Melvin G or a stud RB in round 2

 

**Note: not necessarily a fan of MG - just a move that says "All in"

[Alphadawg7]

Clowney makes no sense.  We just paid starter money to Addison and signed Jefferson too.  Thats a lot of dough to pay guys to sit on the bench while also paying Clowney to start.  

 

Had we not just signed them both, I would think we may be a potential landing spot still.  But I just don't think Beane signs both those guys if he has any intention on pursuing Clowney.  

 

My guess is they aren't interested at all, or initially were and just were not going to get to any where near what he wanted in money and moved on to other options.  Bet same thing with Quinn...once he saw what he was going to make, I am sure Beane lost interest on that bloated contract.  

[Doc Brown]

Josh Allen and next year's 2nd for Deshaun Watson.  I'd saw no GM's dumb enough to do it....but......

[ngbills]

Big trade and contract for one of the franchise tag guys out there. 

[LABILLBACKER]

Virgil I like the way you think. Clowney on a 4 year deal and draft Jonathan Taylor @ 54. Immediately we become one of the top 5 teams in the NFL.

[Utah John]

I don't really want the Bills to go all in on a single year.  I really like McBeane's approach, to build a sustainable structure that dominates and becomes a long-term magnet for talent.  I would not be surprised if Beane has a 5 year plan, for how he'll handle future player staffing to remain OK with the salary cap throughout.  Going all-in is sexy and all, but every decision needs to be evaluated in terms of this year and subsequent years.

 

This is not the year, anyway, with the AFCE playing the AFCW and NFCW.  Too much travel.  No AFCE team will have a great record, good enough for a first round bye, and I would be surprised if any wild card teams come from the AFCE.  I think the Bills win the AFCE and make it to the AFC championship game, where they'll lose in KC.  2021 will be the year of the great record, and the SB, I think.

[Ya Digg?]

I don’t get all of the “Hooper is the final piece” love. We complain about our own average guys getting paid, but people would have been ok with Hooper being the highest paid right end in the league? He is good, above average dare I say, but i have no problem with the Bills not giving Hooper the money that he got. Is he another weapon-yes. The all-in piece??? No way 

[947]

1 hour ago, Virgil said:

The Hooper thing still bothers me as I think we’d have the best offensive weapons in the league and be almost indefensible.  

Hooper is now the highest paid TE in the league, that's not a smart contract & I'm glad it's not us. You don't pay that to a guy who's not top-5 at his position & build for the long term.

[Chicharito]

My all on move would be trading Allen for Rodgers!

[aristocrat]

If we could get Trent Williams for feliciano straight up and move ford inside. Boom our line becomes legit.  

[billsfan89]

You have to ask yourself what are the biggest possible weaknesses on this team and what move would address that weakness and turn it into a strength? If I am analyzing this team I see three pressing needs. Edge rusher, Tight End, and Corner. I know a lot of people would say RT but I am a believer in Ford and Ty is a nice plan B. I don't see a tight end remaining on the free agency market that makes us dynamic at that position. I don't see a corner (esp with Harris just off the market) that makes that unit that much better. 

 

But Edge rusher? I see some potential there to add a game changing talent. Clowney on a one year 25 million dollar contract screams the type of smart "All In" move that I would make. One year deal does kill the roll over into 2021 (although you could cut Murphy to help ease it) but it doesn't kill the flexibility the team has overall beyond 2020 and really wouldn't impact too much the team's ability to extend Dawkins, White, and Milano. 

 

Clowney is a dominating run defender who commands attention off the edge. You could draft a corner in round 2 to fill that last possible need and a safety for depth in round 5 and be completely set in the secondary while taking a depth WR and RB in rounds 3 and 4. I don't want to commit a long term deal anywhere close to 20 million for him. But if he doesn't like his offers and wants a 1 year deal worth 6-8 million more than his current offers by all means be a mercenary and get this team into serious contention. 

Edited March 19, 2020 by billsfan89

[Locomark]

2 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

You have to ask yourself what are the biggest possible weaknesses on this team and what move would address that weakness and turn it into a strength? If I am analyzing this team I see three pressing needs. Edge rusher, Tight End, and Corner. I know a lot of people would say RT but I am a believer in Ford and Ty is a nice plan B. I don't see a tight end remaining on the free agency market that makes us dynamic at that position. I don't see a corner (esp with Harris just off the market) that makes that unit that much better. 

 

But Edge rusher? I see some potential there to add a game changing talent. Clowney on a one year 25 million dollar contract screams the type of smart "All In" move that I would make. One year deal does kill the roll over into 2021 (although you could cut Murphy to help ease it) but it doesn't kill the flexibility the team has overall beyond 2020 and really wouldn't impact too much the team's ability to extend Dawkins, White, and Milano. 

 

Clowney is a dominating run defender who commands attention off the edge. You could draft a corner in round 2 to fill that last possible need and a safety for depth in round 5 and be completely set in the secondary while taking a depth WR and RB in rounds 3 and 4. I don't want to commit a long term deal anywhere close to 20 million for him. But if he doesn't like his offers and wants a 1 year deal worth 6-8 million more than his current offers by all means be a mercantile and get this team into serious contention. 

I am all for that. Plus you could coax Gronk out of retirement.....

[billsfan89]

Just now, Locomark said:

I am all for that. Plus you could coax Gronk out of retirement.....

 

Gronk is joining WWE and I think the team is fine with Knox and Kroft for some reason. I just don't see Gronk being able to stay healthy for a full season either. But I think that unless a golden opportunity like Clowney on a one year deal presents its self that the Bills are done with big moves.

[billsbackto81]

1 hour ago, hjnick said:

 

From this point, I'd say bringing in a Top end DE, like you said.  Clowney would blow the top off this defense.

 

Another move we could make would be to pick up OT Trent Williams from Wash in a trade.  I saw somewhere they would take a 2nd for him.

 

Those 2 moves solidify both lines. 

I like that! With the weapons we have, giving Josh more protection and time to survey the field is paramount for a successful season. Yes, Dawkins to RT would be the move as well. He's not an elite LT, serviceable but not elite or pro bowl material.

[Jeff1954]

Isn’t  one of Clowney’s knees is bone on bone? That’s as big a red flag as you will get- and especially for an edge rusher. 
One RB high in the draft is necessary. Let’s see what Tyler Kroft can do when he’s fit. Similarly, let’s see if Dawson Knox has continued to improve his hands before spending any more on tight end.

Thanks to everyone for your input. I’m sitting at home in Sydney, Australia bored stiff and all your comments are helping keep me sane.

[Utah John]

Cordy Glenn is available after the Bengals cut him.  Probably would come back for less than he was getting.  He was better than Dawkins at the time we traded him.  One of them could play RT and let Cody Ford be a designated backup until he can beat out one of the other guys.

 

This wouldn't be an all-in move but it could provide good insurance for the O line. 

[Locomark]

1 hour ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Gronk is joining WWE and I think the team is fine with Knox and Kroft for some reason. I just don't see Gronk being able to stay healthy for a full season either. But I think that unless a golden opportunity like Clowney on a one year deal presents its self that the Bills are done with big moves.

I was kidding about. He's too dumb to play in this offense.... Clowney for 1 year would be great but it won't happen. They are going with what they got at DE. They might splurge on a CB2 though...

[poblano]

Find a way to get Chase Young, if he is really the kind of player people said he is, he will make what Bosa did to SF defense(turn a  solid defense into a great one)

[DCofNC]

Trade Allen for Brady.

[RocCityRoller]

Kalil Mack. 13 mil this year and 17 mil next year (base salary) are more palatable now that Lawson and Phillips each got 10 mil a year.

Not sure what portion of the signing bonus or salary Chicago would eat.

 

He is 28-29, loves Buffalo, adds the Pass rush difference maker and has a favorable out in 2022, when JA needs to be extended.

 

Would rather have him than Ngouke or Clowney.

Edited March 19, 2020 by RocCityRoller

[offyourocker]

2 hours ago, hjnick said:

 

From this point, I'd say bringing in a Top end DE, like you said.  Clowney would blow the top off this defense.

 

Another move we could make would be to pick up OT Trent Williams from Wash in a trade.  I saw somewhere they would take a 2nd for him.

 

Those 2 moves solidify both lines. 

Problem is that he wants 20 mil a year

[PIZ]

Clooney. 

[Cripple Creek]

2 hours ago, hjnick said:

Out of those 2, you would probably have to move Dawkins over.

 

Do you think Dawkins would have problems at RT?

in a contract year?

[BuffaloHokie13]

All in on ex-Panthers, All in on Daryl W. Daryl Williams (RT) and Daryl Worley (CB).

[Augie]

12 minutes ago, PIZ said:

Clooney. 

 

George? You think he has anything left? Will he stay motivated after selling his tequila business? Would we have to move training camp to Lake Como? I doubt that’s wise for this season. 

[Albany,n.y.]

14 minutes ago, PIZ said:

Clooney. 

Clooney was already in Buffalo doing the weather, then he left to host movies.