SCBills Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) Sal is on the radio talking about the number of DL we brought to camp last year, but I think this is a little different... Are we going to keep 5 DT’s active every week, who all get meaningful snaps?... because we have 5 DT’s with legitimate investments in. Oliver is a high pick. Phillips a relatively high pick. Butler, Jefferson and Star all have decent contracts. These aren’t “Mike Love” type players that are making peanuts and are long shots to make the roster. Leads me to believe Quinton Jefferson will be a moveable chess piece at DT & DE on game days, with Butler, Star, Ed and Harry as the DT’s. Edited March 18, 2020 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, ExWNYer said: Will he play 1, 3, or 5 technique? Which one get to wear the fanciest clothes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Which one get to wear the fanciest clothes? That's a question for @Gugny Edited March 18, 2020 by ExWNYer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 I like the versatility and the production .... and generally speaking, Seahawk defenders have good pedigree. Well done mr. beane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 7 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Star is gone next year. They have plenty of cap room We can save $5.5M if we trade Star post 6/1. If he doesn't earn his spot in camp he's on the block. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 19 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: We can save $5.5M if we trade Star post 6/1. If he doesn't earn his spot in camp he's on the block. Now that is interesting. Any idea how much salary the other team would pick up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said: The damage wasn’t too bad as the announced signing and corresponding thread were pretty new when I tried merging multiple offerings. I think we’re good to go now, though new readers may get confused sipping coffee.. I'm here, sipping my coffee, confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Cripple Creek said: I'm here, sipping my coffee, confused. and this is different from any other day in your house?? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 This defensive line is going to have a lot of Mean ‘ N ‘ Nasty written all over it. It’s becoming evidently clear that the FO recognizes the importance of having a physical presence in the trenches. I suspect the Bills will look to add another O lineman and D lineman in the draft. Along with a RECIEVER. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 56 minutes ago, SCBills said: Sal is on the radio talking about the number of DL we brought to camp last year, but I think this is a little different... Are we going to keep 5 DT’s active every week, who all get meaningful snaps?... because we have 5 DT’s with legitimate investments in. Oliver is a high pick. Phillips a relatively high pick. Butler, Jefferson and Star all have decent contracts. These aren’t “Mike Love” type players that are making peanuts and are long shots to make the roster. Leads me to believe Quinton Jefferson will be a moveable chess piece at DT & DE on game days, with Butler, Star, Ed and Harry as the DT’s. would like to see Oliver become a moveable piece.....he could do some damage at DE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 48 minutes ago, ExWNYer said: That's a question for @Gugny Actually, @BringBackFergy is the resident player attire expert/critic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, SCBills said: Sal is on the radio talking about the number of DL we brought to camp last year, but I think this is a little different... Are we going to keep 5 DT’s active every week, who all get meaningful snaps?... because we have 5 DT’s with legitimate investments in. Oliver is a high pick. Phillips a relatively high pick. Butler, Jefferson and Star all have decent contracts. These aren’t “Mike Love” type players that are making peanuts and are long shots to make the roster. Leads me to believe Quinton Jefferson will be a moveable chess piece at DT & DE on game days, with Butler, Star, Ed and Harry as the DT’s. This will also help Harry not have to rush back. His injury occurred late in September. I think Harry was just about to turn the corner and would of probably ended up with an nice season. I want him back healthy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 12 hours ago, DCbillsfan said: Maybe trading someone I don't think so with 2 extra roster spots now available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Didn't read whole thread and don't want to start new one because of this, but I have a question related to this topic. On paper, is our Dline now better or worse than it was? To sum it up: Pros: We added Addison, Butler and Jefferson, Harrison Philips should be back, Oliver has gained experience. Cons: We lost Phillips and Lawson, Hughes will be one year older. Star and Murphy remain Star and Murphy. What do you guys think? If the Dline is better, in what? Pass rush or run stopping? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philo Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: Didn't read whole thread and don't want to start new one because of this, but I have a question related to this topic. On paper, is our Dline now better or worse than it was? To sum it up: Pros: We added Addison, Butler and Jefferson, Harrison Philips should be back, Oliver has gained experience. Cons: We lost Phillips and Lawson, Hughes will be one year older. Star and Murphy remain Star and Murphy. What do you guys think? If the Dline is better, in what? Pass rush or run stopping? Better all around IMO 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Where is Vernon Butler in all this? Page 7, 8, etc...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 15 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: Didn't read whole thread and don't want to start new one because of this, but I have a question related to this topic. On paper, is our Dline now better or worse than it was? To sum it up: Pros: We added Addison, Butler and Jefferson, Harrison Philips should be back, Oliver has gained experience. Cons: We lost Phillips and Lawson, Hughes will be one year older. Star and Murphy remain Star and Murphy. What do you guys think? If the Dline is better, in what? Pass rush or run stopping? You forgot Vincent Taylor, that we picked up from Miami. The guy is only 26 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 17 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: Didn't read whole thread and don't want to start new one because of this, but I have a question related to this topic. On paper, is our Dline now better or worse than it was? To sum it up: Pros: We added Addison, Butler and Jefferson, Harrison Philips should be back, Oliver has gained experience. Cons: We lost Phillips and Lawson, Hughes will be one year older. Star and Murphy remain Star and Murphy. What do you guys think? If the Dline is better, in what? Pass rush or run stopping? Better. We may not have the game-breaking All-Pro, but there is some serious talent on this DL and a 2 deep rotation at every position that doesn't drop off much. Run defense should be the same, if not better. Pass rush should be much better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: Now that is interesting. Any idea how much salary the other team would pick up? They would pick up his $6.5 million guarantee in '20 and injury guarantee in '21. Based on that, he'd fetch a very low pick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, papazoid said: would like to see Oliver become a moveable piece.....he could do some damage at DE Oliver isn't an end. He's going to stay on the interior. Jefferson will be the one to move across the line. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: We can save $5.5M if we trade Star post 6/1. If he doesn't earn his spot in camp he's on the block. 1 hour ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: Now that is interesting. Any idea how much salary the other team would pick up? 18 minutes ago, GG said: They would pick up his $6.5 million guarantee in '20 and injury guarantee in '21. Based on that, he'd fetch a very low pick I think the trade partner would only have to pay him 4.5 this year not 6.5 mil. The signing bonus has been paid and the roster bonus is paid 3/22 as well. Bills would save 5.5 mil cap this year and be on the hook for 2.6 dead this year and 5.2 next year. Edited March 18, 2020 by Turk71 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo44 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 21 minutes ago, SCBills said: Better. We may not have the game-breaking All-Pro, but there is some serious talent on this DL and a 2 deep rotation at every position that doesn't drop off much. Run defense should be the same, if not better. Pass rush should be much better. If the run defense is not significantly better than all of these defensive acquisitions will have been in vain. Run defense was our Achilles’ heel in too many losses last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Mojo44 said: If the run defense is not significantly better than all of these defensive acquisitions will have been in vain. Run defense was our Achilles’ heel in too many losses last season. Phillips was a liability vs the run imo. With Harry back and the new additions I think they should definitely be a better run defense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Mojo44 said: If the run defense is not significantly better than all of these defensive acquisitions will have been in vain. Run defense was our Achilles’ heel in too many losses last season. Shaq was really good on the edge against the run. Addison is ok there, but he's much more of a pass rush skillset. On the interior, the addition of Butler, Jefferson as a chess piece, Harry's return and Oliver in his second year should certainly improve our run stuffing ability on the inside. I'd guess we'll be solidly better against the run, but I think we will be noticeably better in our pass rush. Edited March 18, 2020 by SCBills 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, Turk71 said: I think the trade partner would only have to pay him 4.5 this year not 6.5 mil. The signing bonus has been paid and the roster bonus is paid 3/22 as well. Bills would save 5.5 mil cap this year and be on the hook for 2.6 dead this year and 5.2 next year. If it is 4.5m you'd think we could find a partner. I'm not worried about the compensation, just very interesting that we can potentially offload that contract. The 5.2 dead next year isn't great, but workable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 A legit question. Will Horrible Harry be a full go come September or will he need more time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, SCBills said: Shaq was really good on the edge against the run. Addison is ok there, but he's much more of a pass rush skillset. On the interior, the addition of Butler, Jefferson as a chess piece, Harry's return and Oliver in his second year should certainly improve our run stuffing ability on the inside. I'd guess we'll be solidly better against the run, but I think we will be noticeably better in our pass rush. I agree. I see Addison as a pass rusher more than an every down end. This is why I was not psyched about Ngakoue, his weakness is run defense and the price would be so steep for a player not great in every aspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Magox said: This defensive line is going to have a lot of Mean ‘ N ‘ Nasty written all over it. It’s becoming evidently clear that the FO recognizes the importance of having a physical presence in the trenches. I suspect the Bills will look to add another O lineman and D lineman in the draft. Along with a RECIEVER. I agree. I LOVE Addison and Jefferson. Instant upgrade over Shaq and Jordan and Butler is low risk , high reward. Jefferson can literally play anywhere on the line and Panther fans Love Addison. I read many articles/ saw YouTube vids and everyone wanted him back. Same with Jefferson. Panther fans seem to recognize the talent in Butler but feel he underperformed. They realized their run D was vulnerable and addressed it , if it improves , I mean , wow , that defense will be something else!! I'm very happy with the additions. Big Baller Beane living up to his name! Let's gooo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Turk71 said: I think the trade partner would only have to pay him 4.5 this year not 6.5 mil. The signing bonus has been paid and the roster bonus is paid 3/22 as well. Bills would save 5.5 mil cap this year and be on the hook for 2.6 dead this year and 5.2 next year. You're half right, I was off by $1 mil on his pay. He has a $4.5 mil base and $500k in per game bonus, bringing his total to $5 mil due in '20. I still disagree on Spotrac's dead cap classification, because they're lumping the injury guarantee into the dead cap. If he's traded or cut before he gets injured, there should be no cap hit for that guarantee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said: A legit question. Will Horrible Harry be a full go come September or will he need more time? Should be. He should be full go by training camp. I believe he torn it in September and that would be 10-11 months recovery by the start of camp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 10 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Star is gone next year. They have plenty of cap room That will depend in part on what Butler does. Other factors will include free agency in 2021 and strength at nose tackle in the draft in 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: Should be. He should be full go by training camp. I believe he torn it in September and that would be 10-11 months recovery by the start of camp. It might have been early October, either way I think he should be good to go by camp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001106801/article/broncos-acquire-dt-jurrell-casey-for-20-draft-pick Man! Just saw Denver trade for Jurrell Casey from Tennessee for a 7th. A 7th! Would have been a massive upgrade over Butler and Star for that matter. For a 7th and 2 million more over Butler would've been a no brainer. The guy is a true wrecking ball at DT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 45 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001106801/article/broncos-acquire-dt-jurrell-casey-for-20-draft-pick Man! Just saw Denver trade for Jurrell Casey from Tennessee for a 7th. A 7th! Would have been a massive upgrade over Butler and Star for that matter. For a 7th and 2 million more over Butler would've been a no brainer. The guy is a true wrecking ball at DT. Casey is more of an attacking player not a 1 tech like star He would probably be a 3 tech here not take stars job and Butler actually is a great athlete for his size 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Casey is more of an attacking player not a 1 tech like star He would probably be a 3 tech here not take stars job and Butler actually is a great athlete for his size Butler strikes me as lazy. Great athlete but unmotivated. Underachieving at this point in his career no doubt. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: Butler strikes me as lazy. Great athlete but unmotivated. Underachieving at this point in his career no doubt. You never know untill they are here. Definitely been an underachiever but sometimes all you need is different scenery 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 14 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: Butler strikes me as lazy. Great athlete but unmotivated. Underachieving at this point in his career no doubt. They said the same thing about Phillips in Miami. Hopefully McD can break through to him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, billsfan89 said: They said the same thing about Phillips in Miami. Hopefully McD can break through to him. "Come to buffalo to be the best version of yourself" 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NI Bills Fan Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, No_Matter_What said: What do you guys think? If the Dline is better, in what? Pass rush or run stopping? I would agree with most of the earlier posters that say we're better than last season's group and add that the new DLine coach Washington should also be a positive addition that will hopefully boost the position group. Edited March 18, 2020 by NI Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 hours ago, billsbackto81 said: Butler strikes me as lazy. Great athlete but unmotivated. Underachieving at this point in his career no doubt. Turned things around in 2019. Otherwise I doubt they would have pursued him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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