Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: I don’t understand the outrage. A dynamic stud RB would greatly help the offense. Singletary is a nice back but doesn’t exactly scare defenses. I think its a question of value. Just now, hjnick said: I know this is an early mock draft and were a LONG way from the draft, but... IF the Bills did this I would totally lose it. Like someone else also said, we did this with Spiller years ago... I remember the Spiller pick. I was out playing softball and I was listening via radio and to myself I was thinking 'alright we will get a good lineman' they said Spiller... WTF! That one was hard to swallow. Plus the Manuel pick was another winner pick. Could have gotten the guy a full round later... But all of that was with the last regime. We will do better w/ Beane. I wanted Dez. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 I haven’t read through the thread but I’m assuming a lot of “why RB when we have a good one?” We need to stop looking at positions as much as skill sets. It’s just like in the NBA where it went from 1-5 to position-less basketball. Swift is an explosive playmaker with high end receiving skills. The Bills need explosive playmaking. It can be a combination of RB, WR and/or TE. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzboy54 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Anyone taking a RB in the first round should be working at McDonalds 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 I really am to the point where I trust the front office and their decision-making when it comes to the draft. With Gore likely retiring/moving on, there is a hole to fill there, so it isn't as if this selection wouldn't fill a need. I agree that WR is a more pressing need -- but the WR position is supposed to be very deep in this year's draft, so they can probably land a good one in the 2nd round (and this front office likes trading up in the 2nd round). I suppose if the opportunity presents itself to draft the best RB in the draft to go along with a promising 2nd year RB (who frankly may not have the size to be a true workhorse), then I for one will not throw a fit. Of course, what happens in free agency in a month or so could very well make all of these thoughts moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 If McShay says it...it's wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: I haven’t read through the thread but I’m assuming a lot of “why RB when we have a good one?” We need to stop looking at positions as much as skill sets. It’s just like in the NBA where it went from 1-5 to position-less basketball. Swift is an explosive playmaker with high end receiving skills. The Bills need explosive playmaking. It can be a combination of RB, WR and/or TE. I don't mind that line of thought - but i personally don't see a "positionless player". I see a good running back. Faster than he looks, plays with a nice edge and has really good burst. He never jumped out at me as something amazing when i watched them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlottebillsfan2 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 No thanks, keep building from the ball out. Build the best oline/dline you can. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krf139 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 When it's apparent the QB isn't going to win games for us, we need to establish an elite running game. I'm all for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Just now, 2003Contenders said: I really am to the point where I trust the front office and their decision-making when it comes to the draft. With Gore likely retiring/moving on, there is a hole to fill there, so it isn't as if this selection wouldn't fill a need. I agree that WR is a more pressing need -- but the WR position is supposed to be very deep in this year's draft, so they can probably land a good one in the 2nd round (and this front office likes trading up in the 2nd round). I suppose if the opportunity presents itself to draft the best RB in the draft to go along with a promising 2nd year RB (who frankly may not have the size to be a true workhorse), then I for one will not throw a fit. Of course, what happens in free agency in a month or so could very well make all of these thoughts moot. I think they will sign someone. Hyde, Drake, Breida - even howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjmac Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, H2o said: This isn't gonna happen, in this universe or a parallel one. I can see us taking a RB to compliment Singletary in rounds 3-6 somewhere, if we don't address the position in FA, but taking a RB in the 1st will NEVER happen under this regime unless we are gifted a Barry Sanders clone. What about a Thurman Thomas clone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Mike in Horseheads said: Isn't Spiller available? . Coach Gailey says he’s still winded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Just now, Special K said: Coach Gailey says he’s still winded. Run them till they puke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyal2dagame Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: Now that just sounds like a Billsy thing to do.... I sure hope that something smart happens instead, but that’s just me... Go Bills!!! It was a Billsy thing to do when we had Buddy or Whaley as GM. This ain't happening now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, dneveu said: I don't mind that line of thought - but i personally don't see a "positionless player". I see a good running back. Faster than he looks, plays with a nice edge and has really good burst. He never jumped out at me as something amazing when i watched them. He’s an elite level receiver. The day he enters the league he’s a top 5-10 receiving back (and that’s conservative). He can be a 15 touch a game guy with Singletary in the more traditional role. Think about the success that the Saints has with Ingram and Kamara. That’s the kind of dynamic that the Bills can create (especially with Josh’s mobility). They still need other pass catching options but Swift makes this offense a lot better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, aristocrat said: you want an offense like san fran's where we just run it down people's throats all year? get another big time rb. btw they catch passes too. you can get a wr in the second round as well. And what round were they taken in? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Just now, yungmack said: And what round were they taken in? third for coleman, undrafted for mostert. but can you guarantee undrafted guys are gonna be good? is it more likely a first or second round guy are successful than undrafted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 No. Hell to the no. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 14 minutes ago, jjmac said: What about a Thurman Thomas clone? That would work as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 RB class also looks deep this year. I'll take LSU's RB in Rd. 3. (Edge/WR likely 1st and 2nd). 10 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: He’s an elite level receiver. The day he enters the league he’s a top 5-10 receiving back (and that’s conservative). He can be a 15 touch a game guy with Singletary in the more traditional role. Think about the success that the Saints has with Ingram and Kamara. That’s the kind of dynamic that the Bills can create (especially with Josh’s mobility). They still need other pass catching options but Swift makes this offense a lot better. well, this can change my mind. If he is an elite level receiver, he can also be lined up at WR with Singletary in the backfield, WR in 2nd, then you have a problem covering them all, not to mention Knox and Hunter/Hooper/Olsen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Wouldn’t be the worst pick, he’s a talented player. . But it won’t happen. Too much talent on the board at Edge and WR and Singletary is too good to invest this much in another RB. We will certainly draft a RB if we don’t sign one in FA to compliment Singletary, but not in the first and probably not until at least the third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Philo said: I just don't see it. I think they do draft a RB, but not until RD 3/4. Someone like Perine or Moss. Agree. They’ll be looking for a bigger back that can catch to compliment Singletary. There will be plenty to choose from 3-5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philo Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said: Agree. They’ll be looking for a bigger back that can catch to compliment Singletary. There will be plenty to choose from 3-5. I have long thought a bigger back will be the target. However, I do see the argument for an explosive back like Swift even if such a player is a little smaller. Again, I don't see it working out for the Bills to take Swift at #22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Why is everyone forgetting about Christian Wade? Talk about explosive....if that kid can learn the game the Bills won't need to draft or sign anyone. And yes, upgrade the offensive line. Let's hope that this regime understands the importance of having an all pro offensive guard like they had with Incognito...only without the head case. Ford might just be that guy at RG so the upgrade is needed at RT. LG too if Spain isn't resigned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Lol at drafting RB in the first round 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 No chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 When weapons are available at a valuable position like WR you get as many as you can. If you have 15 WR’s graded as 1st rd picks then take 2. WR drafts like these are a 1 time every 12 year occurrence. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are 1or 2 Andre Reed type sleepers that come from this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 I think they should and would pull the trigger in the third, assuming they had not already addressed the problem in the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Philo said: I have long thought a bigger back will be the target. However, I do see the argument for an explosive back like Swift even if such a player is a little smaller. Again, I don't see it working out for the Bills to take Swift at #22. I think they’ll be looking to fill WR or Edge in the 1st. Possibly OT if someone drops and it’s a clear BPA. As for RB. I think they want some size to fill a complimentary role. Explosiveness likely isn’t as important to them as versatility. Moss and Perine can both catch. Perine has experience lining up outside and in the slot coupled with enough speed to not get caught from behind. Moss is more of a versatile hammer, although I worry about him always playing hurt. There are other players though. One I’m keeping an eye on is Ke’Shawn Vaughn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Rather draft a kicker 1st round 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 I’m just entertained watching guys insult a writers entire family lineage because they disagree with him in a mock draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philo Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said: I think they’ll be looking to fill WR or Edge in the 1st. Possibly OT if someone drops and it’s a clear BPA. As for RB. I think they want some size to fill a complimentary role. Explosiveness likely isn’t as important to them as versatility. Moss and Perine can both catch. Perine has experience lining up outside and in the slot coupled with enough speed to not get caught from behind. Moss is more of a versatile hammer, although I worry about him always playing hurt. There are other players though. One I’m keeping an eye on is Ke’Shawn Vaughn. Agree on all counts. I think EDGE or WR will be the pick ultimately and I like what both Moss and Perine can offer as running mates with Singletary. I haven't heard much about Vaughn, but another name I will throw out there is AJ Dillon from BC. We have gone to the BC well before with some success. I have not studied him too much to see if he would be a fit, but I do know he is one of the bigger backs in this years class. He's probably a Day 3 pick right now. Edited February 4, 2020 by Philo He is a junior, not a senior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 hours ago, PIZ said: If they can get a WR in FA and maybe one in Round 2, I would be OK with this. The Bills need an explosive RB. https://billswire.usatoday.com/2020/02/04/espn-todd-mcshay-buffalo-bills-dandre-swift/?fbclid=IwAR0AhXP1cCG0x6JE5RHQCfVK1SSwaQeY-G7ey3_dXlXbiAOx2ZTzlXCny7o Not happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 This will not happen... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 I can see them going WR in round 2 and 3 depending on how the draft falls. However I can't see them going RB if they pass on a WR round 1. I think they are more likely to go with a Edge defender or corner round 1 if they pass on a WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: He’s an elite level receiver. The day he enters the league he’s a top 5-10 receiving back (and that’s conservative). He can be a 15 touch a game guy with Singletary in the more traditional role. Think about the success that the Saints has with Ingram and Kamara. That’s the kind of dynamic that the Bills can create (especially with Josh’s mobility). They still need other pass catching options but Swift makes this offense a lot better. As you know the Saints got Kamara in round 3. The positionless/playmaker line of thinking was the rationale behind the drafting of CJ Spiller a decade ago............it's fine when you get that talent in the bonus rounds but you need franchise building blocks in those first and second rounds. It just rarely ever works out like that with RB's.......and despite his success the last I heard the Saints were very open to trading Kamara..........because in the end he's just a RB and teams don't like to pay those guys. And I guess this is a good time to remind the thread that the two lead RB's in the SB were undrafted. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: He’s an elite level receiver. The day he enters the league he’s a top 5-10 receiving back (and that’s conservative). He can be a 15 touch a game guy with Singletary in the more traditional role. Think about the success that the Saints has with Ingram and Kamara. That’s the kind of dynamic that the Bills can create (especially with Josh’s mobility). They still need other pass catching options but Swift makes this offense a lot better. I’m sure he’s good. I’d definitely take him on day 3. And I’m pretty sure the Saints also had a Hall of Fame QB and a stable of receiving talent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 I don't see a Round 1 RB in this draft. One of the biggest differences between McBeane and previous regimes is the approach they take on this. FA is for filling holes, and enabling themselves to not have to draft for need. Don't see this happening. Todd and Bills predictions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 16 minutes ago, mannc said: I’m sure he’s good. I’d definitely take him on day 3. And I’m pretty sure the Saints also had a Hall of Fame QB and a stable of receiving talent... They took Marshon Lattimore in round 1 of that draft............who I assume they will extend and try to make into a franchise cornerstone going forward. That's what will ultimately define that draft for them long after Kamara is traded or leaves in UFA. Coming up with reasons during the draft process to select a RB in round 1 is a long time organizational weakness...........you gotta' have a system in place where you have protections against taking that cheese. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 This only happens if Donahoe, or Marvcus, or Brandon, or Nix are suddenly named Bills GM. McBeane isn't stupid enough to pick an RB 1st when we already have Motor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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