Eli Manning: Will He Get Into Canton?

[CommonCents]

4 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

While he played on some great teams he also played on some bad ones at the end. Just goes to show that you can have an elite QB and is he doesn't have the supporting cast around him it's just so hard to win. Just ask Matt Ryan the last two years. Or Aaron Rodgers 2017, 2018. 

Matty Ice, the most innacurate nickname in the NFL. 

[Don Otreply]

He had two really good seasons during his entire career, the deal is that he won the SB and was mvp both times, he gets in. 

[CommonCents]

He gave 95 percent of country great memories when he took down the Pats twice. He should get in on the first ballot.

[sir andrew]

Rings will get him in.  I don't think first ballot but maybe after a couple years.  I don't think he should.

[C.Biscuit97]

5 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Yes he will get in.

No he doesn't deserve to be in the HOF. 

I also don't think Kurt Warner should be in the HOF. But if they put in Warner they will put in Eli

Warner was at pointS of his career in the conversation for best qb in the nfl.  He had some all time great years. 

18 minutes ago, K-9 said:

That well may be the case, but the voters also value longevity and a consistent level of good play over time, especially when combined with all time statistics. There is simply no denying the fact that, great or not, Gore ranks third on the all time yardage list, well ahead of many of those all time greats. He’s the other end of the Sayers spectrum, if you will.

I agree with this but it devalues the HOF IMO.  I think Gore had like 2 years where he was a dominant player.  It should be about greatness.  It’s like Harold Baines being a HOFer.

[oldmanfan]

It’ll take several failed attempts first but he’ll get in.  Maybe his last year of eligibility before he’d go to the veteran’s committee.

[KingBoots8]

As someone else said, he’d get in eventually with a different last name. Because he is a Manning and he played for a large market team I think that boosts him in early, maybe first ballot. I think he deserves to go but I don’t think year 1 is deserving but that’s whatever

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, KingBoots8 said:

As someone else said, he’d get in eventually with a different last name. Because he is a Manning and he played for a large market team I think that boosts him in early, maybe first ballot. I think he deserves to go but I don’t think year 1 is deserving but that’s whatever

I think some of you completely overrate the large market thing.  It’s the nfl. Markets don’t matter.  But the 2 rings are getting him in no matter where he played.  He still wasn’t that good. 

[shane nelson]

2 time SB MVP.  

Brought Giants back twice while down in the 4th Q in each game

Only team/QB to stop NE during its peak years

7th all-time yards

Probably the best QB in NYG history, one of the most storied franchise in NFL history  

Was he perfect no, but based on the above stats, I don't think there is not much to argue about 

[BringBackOrton]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yuck if he’s a first ballot HOF.  He was a stat complier.  He just played in a lot of games.  I know it’s a team stat but should a qb with a .500 record be a first ballot HOF?  This would be like Matt Stafford going to the HOF.  

Eli won two Super Bowls against the best QB of all time.

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

If his last name was Johnson he'd get in eventually, but it's Manning so he's first ballot.

if he wasn’t compared to Peyton he might actually be viewed more favorably. 

[frostbitmic]

1. Won two Super Bowls

2. Both Super Bowl wins were vs Tom Brady

3. His last name is Manning

 

First ballot easily.

[IDBillzFan]

2 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:

Nope.  He beat the Patriots in the SB twice, but that was primarily because of their defense.  Eli was good, but not great like his brother.

 

Eli begs to differ: 

 

 

Two clutch SB wins. Two SB MVPs. 

 

Dude should get in first ballot just for wrecking the Pats* perfect season.

[LB48]

2 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

I think the name and super bowls get him in first ballot. He will be remembered as much better than he ever actually was. 
He was probably never a top 10 quarterback in the league but those super bowl rings will do the trick 

so true - that's the way it works!

[RobbRiddicksTDLeap]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I guess I did forgot about that.  You’re right. He Joe Flacco’d those years.

 

so is Flacco a HOFer?  

I think Dave’s made some good points about his postseason play.  But how many times was ELi consider a top 10 qb, much less top 5?  
 

 

I think he played in a conservative offense for years under Gilbride, which kept his stats low. He is a proven winner and leader. Top 10, he would be close, but certainly not too 5. 

[Utah John]

It's become the Hall of Fame-ous.  Players people have heard of get in, and truly great players get left out.  Thurman Thomas didn't get in on the first ballot, for crying out loud, and he led the league in scrimmage yards for at least four years.  Thomas was a dominant player for several years, and was really the key to the Bill's great offense.  If TT couldn't get in on the first ballot, a nice guy decent player like Eli sure should not.

[KD in CA]

The Eli haters are furious he won that last game against Miami so now they can't say he had a 'losing record'.

 

Moon and Fouts were .500 QBs too, and neither of them won a Super Bowl, much less two.

[Happy]

44 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Eli begs to differ: 

 

 

Two clutch SB wins. Two SB MVPs. 

 

Dude should get in first ballot just for wrecking the Pats* perfect season.

 

Don't get me wrong, I admire how Eli delivered two clutch performances against the Patriots in the two Super Bowls.  But, if the Giants defense wasn't able to keep Brady and the high powered Pats offenses in check, no way was Eli and the Giants offenses going to outscore Brady. Other than these two SB games, Eli was pretty much average to slightly above average.

[Augie]

Two Super Bowls, a LONG career and the last name get him in. I never thought he was special, but I bet he gets in anyway. The “helmet catch” might make the difference. 

[Formerly Allan in MD]

No comparison to his brother, if that counts.

[That's No Moon]

If Joe Namath can be in for essentially winning one game and being charismatic in NY I think Eli should be in with 2 sb wins over Brady. Those sayi g that he ride the defense to those wins don't remember those games very well. Eli needed drives to win in both games and made huge throws in both. That throw to Manningham was insane.

[djp14150]

3 hours ago, NewEra said:

He will.  I don’t believe he should.  Not first ballot

 

 

I agree

 

i don’t think he was notspecial enough to get in.  If he gets in then every QB who starts and wins gets in.

[Needle]

3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I got slack for it but I don’t think Gore is a HOFer.  How many years was Gore a dominant player?  The HOFer is supposed to be for the greatest players of all time. Gore and Eli aren’t close to the greatest players of all time.

I agree 100 percent. I think both will get in but neither deserve it. 

[Chicken Boo]

3 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said:

7th all-time in yards, 7th all-time in TD passes. 2 Super Bowl wins.

 

First ballot Hall of Famer.

 

The rule changes have inflated statistics over the years.  Eli was never considered one of the very best QBs in the league. 

 

He was never all pro, never led the league in any stat but interceptions and was 117-117 (.500) as a starter. The Super Bowl wins are the only reason he gets in and even then, he was aided by stellar defenses.

 

First ballot entries should be reserved for the absolute best of the best.  Eli was never close to that.  If he does get in 1st ballot, it's pure politics.  

[JetsFan20]

Eli was the ultimate “compiler” He was a top 10-25 QB his entire 16 year career, but his durability has allowed him to put up Hall of Fame level career stats. In the NFL I do feel durability is important, and the two championships put him over the top. 

 

Does Eli Manning deserve to be in the Hall of Fame? Yes 

 

Should Eli Manning be a first ballot guy? No 

 

Will Eli Manning be a first ballot guy? Probably 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Maybe not first Ballot. but in addition to a 16 year career piling up massive stats and legacy family 
 

2× Super Bowl champion (XLII, XLVI)

2× Super Bowl MVP (XLII, XLVI)

4× Pro Bowl (2008, 2011, 2012, 2015)

Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year (2016)

 

plus he’s like able Humble and classy 

 

might be a lock for  first ballot after all If Brees Ben rivers and Tommy don’t retire this year. 

Edited January 23, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Chicken Boo]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Yes he will get in.

No he doesn't deserve to be in the HOF. 

I also don't think Kurt Warner should be in the HOF. But if they put in Warner they will put in Eli

 

Kurt Warner 2x first team all pro, 2x passing TDs leader, 2x passing rating leader, led 2 different franchises to the Super Bowl, QB'd the greatest offense the league had ever seen, won a Super Bowl, was Super Bowl MVP, has 2 league MVPs and was the highest rated passer in league history when he retired.  

 

Definitely a Hall of Famer. 

[Ga boy]

He doesn’t belong in same room with John U, Marino, Montana, Favre and Peyton ... but he could hang out with Griese, Dawson and Moon. 

[Reed83HOF]

he will get in, however, Eli = Vinny Testaverde

 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/eli-manning-is-profoundly-mediocre/

 

Only 10 quarterbacks in NFL history have started at least 200 games, according to Pro-Football-Reference.com, and the list is a who’s who of all-time legends: Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Fran Tarkenton, Dan Marino, Brett Favre, Warren Moon and John Elway. And Eli Manning. And, OK, Vinny Testaverde — but still.

 

Save Eli Manning and Testaverde, all have been enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame or are virtually certain to be.

 

Among that group, Eli Manning ranks either last, or ahead of only Testaverde,¹ in nearly every season-indexed rate stat: completion rate, yards per attempt, interception rate, passer rating, adjusted yards per attempt, net yards per attempt and adjusted net yards per attempt.

 

But Manning is not just terrible at being great — he regularly tests the lower boundaries of even being good. He has finished among the top 10 in ESPN’s Total Quarterback Rating just four times out of the 11 seasons for which QBR has been calculated; his average rank is a middling 16th. He has finished among the top 10 in passer rating just once in 12 starting campaigns, finishing an average of 18th. From 2004, when Manning entered the league, through Week 1 of 2017, he was in the bottom half of both season-indexed passer rating and season-indexed adjusted net yards per attempt² (among quarterbacks with at least 50 starts):

 

 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, djp14150 said:

 

 

I agree

 

i don’t think he was notspecial enough to get in.  If he gets in then every QB who starts and wins gets in.

Nah, not every qbs that wins and gets in.  He’s getting in because he beat 2 goats 2 times 

[KD in CA]

1 hour ago, That's No Moon said:

If Joe Namath can be in for essentially winning one game and being charismatic in NY I think Eli should be in with 2 sb wins over Brady. Those sayi g that he ride the defense to those wins don't remember those games very well. Eli needed drives to win in both games and made huge throws in both. That throw to Manningham was insane.

 

Considering the situation, distance and margin for error, that is on the short list of candidates for best throw in NFL history.

 

As for Namath, you have to recognize not only his impact on the critical era (NFL-AFL merger), but also his role as a pioneer in the early days of marketing via athletes.  He was one of the guys who paved the way for OJ, Jordan, Woods, James, etc. in what today is a many billion dollar business.  You can't tell the history of the NFL without Joe Willie.

[Gugny]

Eli Manning is:

#7 all time in passing yards

#8 all time in passing TDs

#6 all time in passing attempts

#3 all time in consecutive starts

Two-time Super Bowl Champion

Two-time Super Bowl MVP.

 

Super Bowl stats (two games):

49/74, 551 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT

 

That's a hall of famer.

 

 

 

Edited January 23, 2020 by Gugny

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

5 minutes ago, Gugny said:

Eli Manning is:

#7 all time in passing yards

#8 all time in passing TDs

#6 all time in passing attempts

#3 all time in consecutive starts

And he has two rings

 

That's a hall of famer.

 

 And was mvp of those two games where he got rings

[Dr.Sack]

Yes because Brees & Brady aren’t retiring in 2020. Big Ben & Rivers look to be coming back too. Additionally there aren’t any QBs predating Eli who are currently waiting for the HoF that have as many passing yards, wins, games played & are two time Super Bowl MVPs. Eli is a shoe-in first ballot Hall of Famer.

[NoSaint]

3 hours ago, Augie said:

Two Super Bowls, a LONG career and the last name get him in. I never thought he was special, but I bet he gets in anyway. The “helmet catch” might make the difference. 

Ill try another shot at push back on the name factor...

 

if debating a guy like Big Ben, how often do you hear reference to Peyton regarding him being worthy or his accomplishments? 
 

I think we all agree the dude isn’t in the all time great list with manning and Brady Or even the Rodgers and Brees tier.... but he’s clearly in the next group with Ben, rivers, etc... how many get in from the era? His rings help a lot but he like 6th(?) on the list  depending on where you draw the lines on the era/generation.

12 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

Yes because Brees & Brady aren’t retiring in 2020. Big Ben & Rivers look to be coming back too. Additionally there aren’t any QBs predating Eli who are currently waiting for the HoF that have as many passing yards, wins, games played & are two time Super Bowl MVPs. Eli is a shoe-in first ballot Hall of Famer.

that’s one of the most important factors- who he slots up against each year. Would be the only first ballot guy and no noteworthy list to clear works in his favor, while if Brees brady and Ben all leave the same year it definitely hurts Ben. If manning does go year 1 he might wait a minute though.

Edited January 23, 2020 by NoSaint

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Adult admission is only $26.75.  What did he do with all his money?!?  ?

[Mr. WEO]

Massive stat accumulator who rode his D through the playoffs in his 2 SB winning runs?    Fellas, Peyton Manning already IS in the HOF....

 

ELI Manning is the one who was a 2 time SB MVP.  

 

Here's some more:

 

Eli's 2 SB winning runs: 15 TDs, 2 INTs, almost 2100 yards.

 

Peyton"s 2 SB winning runs (with 2 teams): 5TDs, 8 INT, under 1600 yards.

 

Eli Manning belongs in the HOF.  Pretty simple.

[BruceVilanch]

He will get in, possibly first ballot because of name recognition. I think if he had another last name he would be borderline.

[longtimebillsfan]

10 hours ago, Gugny said:

Do you think Eli will get into the Hall of Fame?

Eli had a great career.  He was MVP of both Superbowl wins.  He beat the Patriots twice in the big game.

 

I have never been a big fan of "stat machine " quarterbacks that put up big numbers but do little else.  

[eball]

12 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Kind of where I stand. He piled up stats and won two Super Bowls including one vs., arguably, the best team ever. I never thought he was that good but his resume is strong.

 

I think the NFL Hall of Fame has morphed, in a sense, into the Hall of Longevity.  We seem to recognize players who stayed around a very long time even if they never really stood out as superstars.  Eli fits that description.  The throw/catch to Tyree should have its own display at the HOF...maybe it already does.