GoBills! Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Pay him this offseason before the price goes up. He is a top 3 CB in the league that doesn't get the attention like others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: There may be an argument for replenishing the CB position via the draft. It’s a matter of organizational philosophy. My guess is the Bills will retain White , and are now not opposed to paying top CBs a second contract as an organization. It just depends on the overall cap situation at the time, the age of the player, quality of the CB draft class, other positional needs, etc.There are times you need to let them walk - ala Gilmore and Clements & times when you should keep them Winfield & Tre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 52 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: They did NOT let Gilmore walk.  This regime has nothing to do with the old regime.   McDermott was coach when Gilmore left in FA. He could have franchise tagged him to give time to work something out.  I think it's fair to say he felt Gilmore was not worth the money he'd want as a CB in the system he wanted to implement.  1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, GoBills! said: Pay him this offseason before the price goes up. He is a top 3 CB in the league that doesn't get the attention like others. He made first team AP all-pro. The price went up already. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, wppete said: Mcdermott was the one that decided to not resign Gilmore or at least franchise him. They let him walk and a month later they Draft Tredavious White at #27 in the first round after trading down with KC to get an extra draft pick the following year that they used to Draft Josh Allen. Beane is the GM.  Beane was not the GM then.   Our cap situation also is not the same either.   So I still say this regime today has nothing to do with that first offseason where Whaley was the GM. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:  McDermott was coach when Gilmore left in FA. He could have franchise tagged him to give time to work something out.  I think it's fair to say he felt Gilmore was not worth the money he'd want as a CB in the system he wanted to implement.  they wanted to (and did) turn the roster over and reset the cap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:  McDermott was coach when Gilmore left in FA. He could have franchise tagged him to give time to work something out.  I think it's fair to say he felt Gilmore was not worth the money he'd want as a CB in the system he wanted to implement.   But come on, McD/Whaley is no where near the same regime and decision making process as McD/Beane.  Not to mention, our cap situation is quite different too (also thanks to Beane).  There is no comparison to McD's first 60 days on the job with Whaley compared to today with Beane.  Beane is without a doubt in full control of his GM duties.  He works with McD and gets input, but its been made crystal clear that Beane is the final decision maker with personnel.  Both McD and Beane have publicly stated this.  So again, its not the same regime at all that let Gilmore walk nor are we anywhere near the same cap situation either, something Beane also cleared out to both build our team and retain talent.  Edited January 7, 2020 by Alphadawg7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 There is exact ONE guy on this team who they should back in the Brinks truck to keep, and his name is Tre White.  I've been fine with the decision to let a lot of players go over the years but if this guy isn't wearing a Bills uni for the next 10 years I will be very, very pissed off.  If it makes sense from a cap management standpoint, this offseason would not be too soon to give him an extension. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven50 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Is Tre White worth top corner money? Â In the army we would have replied to that with another question: is a pigs Pu*** pork? Â In other words, "yes" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Zero TDs given up ..... Zero goals given up ..... Â yes pay him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 he would be even more amazing if they ever decided to blitz on 3rd and long. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Yes. Next sketch..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Happy Gilmore said: No, not worth paying CB's top money, not in today's NFL where it is nearly impossible to play the position without getting a PI flag.  The money is better spent on elite D-line players, both DE/edge and DT. Hoody paid Gilmore though, so suggest he wouldn’t agree with you.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 If Tre isn’t worth paying, then who is? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 2 hours ago, DuckyBoys said: Is Tre White worth top corner money? Â Â Â Without the slightest question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 5 years, 85 million, 50 million gtd.  Pay the man - and don't be stingy about it.  This also sends a message to all FA's - play well in Buffalo and you will be rewarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: Yep I meant Norman lol Different front office. That was a Whaley move, and he continued the organizational philosophy at the time, fwiw. It had been that way with Bills CBs for years.    Hunh? No.  Gilmore was a Bill in 2016.  2017 was McDermott's first year here, and well before February, the Buffalo News was reporting that the Pegulas, having observed McDermott's first couple of weeks, were putting him in control of things in the FO.  They may well have like Gilmore but figured they needed to save cap space early in the rebuild with Whaley's poor handling of the cap. Rebuilds hurt. Edited January 7, 2020 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Stallions said: NO!!! CB's are a dime a dozen in the draft.  In today's passing league, CBs like White (zone) and Gilmore (man) are at a premium.   Good production from the corner position is not nearly as replaceable as good production from the running back position is.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, DuckyBoys said: Is any cornerback playing in a primarily zone scheme worth paying top money? I would not be shocked to see a CB drafted early by Buffalo How do they handle it this time after letting Gilmore walk? I know he's under contract for 2020 just curious what you guys think is the long term plan I bet the Bills can save some money by letting Tre walk and coaxing Chris Watson out of retirement for veteran minimum.  Cash to cap baby! Ralph is cheap.... Edited January 7, 2020 by Motorin' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 3 hours ago, Gambit said: Honestly, no. For one he wasn't gonna stay with Buffalo anyways. We also most likely wouldn't have drafted Tre who I think is better and hilarious. So, I'm fine letting him go.   There has never been the slightest bit of confirmation about this. Every time the Bills don't pay someone market value, the sour grapes crowd says he wasn't going to stay here anyways. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:  But come on, McD/Whaley is no where near the same regime and decision making process as McD/Beane.  Not to mention, our cap situation is quite different too (also thanks to Beane).  There is no comparison to McD's first 60 days on the job with Whaley compared to today with Beane.  Beane is without a doubt in full control of his GM duties.  He works with McD and gets input, but its been made crystal clear that Beane is the final decision maker with personnel.  Both McD and Beane have publicly stated this.  So again, its not the same regime at all that let Gilmore walk nor are we anywhere near the same cap situation either, something Beane also cleared out to both build our team and retain talent.    The cap situation isn't thanks to Beane. It's thanks to Beane and McDermott. The moves made by McDermott before Beane got here were already rebuild-oriented financially conservative moves, which is precisely the opposite of how things went during the years when Whaley was making the decisions.  The reason Beane is here is because McDermott gets along with him and has similar philosophies. McDermott was in the room when Beane was interviewed and you can bet that if he hadn't liked Beane and the way he does things, Beane wouldn't be here.  Whaley lost his decision-making powers very very quickly after McDermott arrived.  Whaley and McDermott have also made it clear that they do most of their decision-making by hashing it out and coming to consensus. Yes, if they disagree, Beane makes the decision on personnel. But they don't disagree all that much, as they've made clear. And their financial philosophies are just about the same, both pretty much right there with industry best practices. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said: Â Â There has never been the slightest bit of confirmation about this. Every time the Bills don't pay someone market value, the sour grapes crowd says he wasn't going to stay here anyways. He had zero issues talking badly about Buffalo after he left. Doesn't sound like someone who wanted to be here. As for sour grapes. Lmao I love stupid comments like that. I wasnt sad to see someone go who didn't like to tackle while he was here and got hit left and right for PI/defensive holding. He's a much better player now with the Pats than when he played for Buffalo. Either way Tre is better and that guy is a ball of energy and super exciting to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Panthers defense regressed quickly under McDermott when they lost Norman. I don't think McBeane makes that same mistake twice.   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 5 hours ago, DuckyBoys said: Is any cornerback playing in a primarily zone scheme worth paying top money? I would not be shocked to see a CB drafted early by Buffalo How do they handle it this time after letting Gilmore walk? I know he's under contract for 2020 just curious what you guys think is the long term plan Really? Drop a turd of a thread, then bail? Do you honestly think that’s acceptable? That it’s All Good?? Cool???  Its not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Â They did NOT let Gilmore walk. Â This regime has nothing to do with the old regime. Â Yeah, McD did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Uh, what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 6 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: Yep I meant Norman lol Different front office. That was a Whaley move, and he continued the organizational philosophy at the time, fwiw. It had been that way with Bills CBs for years.  It was not. It was a McDermott move. Whaley was still here but McDermott ran that offseason. Surely everyone knows that by now? As for White. Yes. Pay the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 8 hours ago, Buffalo86 said:  Would you say the Bills made a big mistake letting Gilmore walk? Gilmore wanted out to go to a big market team in the spotlight. Not a fair question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Why is this a thread? Â He's the best in the game. Â So... yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 4 hours ago, Gambit said: He had zero issues talking badly about Buffalo after he left. Doesn't sound like someone who wanted to be here. As for sour grapes. Lmao I love stupid comments like that. I wasnt sad to see someone go who didn't like to tackle while he was here and got hit left and right for PI/defensive holding. He's a much better player now with the Pats than when he played for Buffalo. Either way Tre is better and that guy is a ball of energy and super exciting to watch. I'm going to be an absolute mad lad and really go out on a limb here and speculate the "Patriots Penalty Pass" he now has for free uncalled penalties is part of why he is "much better now". He's mugging his receiver through their whole route half the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 9 hours ago, DuckyBoys said: Is any cornerback playing in a primarily zone scheme worth paying top money? I would not be shocked to see a CB drafted early by Buffalo How do they handle it this time after letting Gilmore walk? I know he's under contract for 2020 just curious what you guys think is the long term plan Of course he is- have you dialed in on Tre and watched him ball? Time to pick up his 5th year option and extend him out. 6 hours ago, Capco said:  In today's passing league, CBs like White (zone) and Gilmore (man) are at a premium.   Good production from the corner position is not nearly as replaceable as good production from the running back position is.  Stallions is way off the mark. Corners are at a premium and can cause fits for top receivers. They can also change a game in a blink of an eye- Tre did that a few times this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Yes he is, and he will get it.  Real question we haven’t seen the answer to is, will the Bills back up the truck?  gotta pick where you spend the cap, if they can front load a deal for him next season, it might be a good time to get it done.  i hope they prioritize him. He’s only getting better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Tre will get a top corner contract from Buffalo - as he should.  The only question is timing.  Normally I’d say pick his 5th year option up and start negotiating after his fourth year.  But there’s a new CBA on the horizon and we might see a nice jump up.  I wouldn’t be opposed to getting it done early.  Tre would see big money sooner and the Bills could save a few bucks.  Either way he’s gonna get paid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 He just earned All-Pro and has arguably been their best player since Drafted in 2017. There is no question here with all of the Cap Space the Bills will have over the next few years, he is their primary target for re-signing their own players. Regardless of scheme, which can change by the way if a new DC comes in to town, a CB who can cover, tackle, ball hawk and help in leadership and is a good locker room guy, you lock down. That's it. That's the plan - pay him and keep him. They will re-set the market with Tre, but Buffalo has the money and you can only preach culture for so long (which I wholeheartedly believe in) before you need to let the market value reaffirm all of the preaching and show the players you have the integrity to follow through on your promises.  He is a 1st Rounder with a 5th year option so I don't think they do it next year, but I do think they pick up the 5th year option and negotiate during that time for his large contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 8 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Beane is the GM. Â Beane was not the GM then. Â Â Our cap situation also is not the same either. Â Â So I still say this regime today has nothing to do with that first offseason where Whaley was the GM. Â You are confused. Its ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Yes and he will get paid big time by the Bills. Beane has said many times that he wants to build thru draft and then keep their core together. White is definitely part of the core group going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Yes. And him getting all pro I think helps us believe it or not.  Tre is a good dude and wont be a diva in negotiations I dont think now that he knows he will get recognized in buffalo. If he was ignored again he would want to be top paid. Now I think we get a slightly team friendly deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMIEBUF12 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Yup  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 9 hours ago, DuckyBoys said: Is any cornerback playing in a primarily zone scheme worth paying top money? I would not be shocked to see a CB drafted early by Buffalo How do they handle it this time after letting Gilmore walk? I know he's under contract for 2020 just curious what you guys think is the long term plan  If the Bills don't think a first team All Pro CB is "worth paying top money" when they don't have any other player making top tier money at their position except for maybe Morse, they have plenty of cap space, and they have serious needs to fill at other positions, then the ghosts of Ralph Wilson and Russ Brandon are alive and well at OBD.  8 hours ago, Mango said: At some point you have to pay your players though. We have a lot holes to fill still and not great depth in the secondary. CB2 is an area of need. We have to stop creating new holes.  He plays like a top CB, pay him like a top CB. I’d prefer if they got frugal elsewhere.  This. The Bills need to use FA and the first two days of the draft to add two big, sure-handed receivers, a better RB than Gore or Yeldon, and an edge rusher as well as maybe an OLer if they can find one. They also need to generally upgrade their non-starter talent so that their STs can become assets rather than liabilities. They don't need to make CB1 another Day 1 or 2 need which they've done repeatedly in the past.  8 hours ago, Rc2catch said: What? Are we back to more of this? We draft guys. Develop them. When they are about to peak let them leave in free agency and get nothing for it. Then we cry they are great for their next team and cry that the rookie we drafted to replace them is a rookie and may struggle while he learns. At some point you HAVE to start paying the players you draft. This isn’t a holdout situation or a diva being greedy. Guy has balled out and busted butt here and is arguably the face of our defense and gameplanned for by every team we face. You reward players like that and pay them.  This has been exactly why the Bills went 17 years without a playoff appearance. They were always spinning their wheels because they were always creating holes by letting their best players walk away ... and that was most noticeable when it came to DBs.  8 hours ago, wppete said: Mcdermott was the one that decided to not resign Gilmore or at least franchise him. They let him walk and a month later they Draft Tredavious White at #27 in the first round after trading down with KC to get an extra draft pick the following year that they used to Draft Josh Allen.  ^^^  8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:  McDermott was coach when Gilmore left in FA. He could have franchise tagged him to give time to work something out.  I think it's fair to say he felt Gilmore was not worth the money he'd want as a CB in the system he wanted to implement.   I don't think that McDermott can be responsible for the decision to not re-sign Gilmore; he may have agreed with it but the timeline doesn't fit for him to have made the actual decision. It was generally speculated in the media that Gilmore wouldn't be back in 2017 before the 2016 season ended, well before McDermott was hired.  McDermott was hired in January, 2017, so he would have been on the job only a few weeks before FA started, and wouldn't have had time to supplant Whaley before the decision to let Gilmore walk was made. The FA signing period generally starts in early March IIRC, but the teams decide which players to re-sign or franchise before that, and McDermott would have been too new to have acquired that much power.  Moreover, not paying outstanding players, especially DBs, for the market rate was pretty much an institutional policy under Ralph Wilson and Russ Brandon ... and the GMs Donahoe, Nix, and Whaley all accepted that.  I also don't think franchise tagging Gilmore was ever even considered. I can't think of any player the Bills franchise tagged since 2000 ...  I've said it before that how the Bills handle White -- whether they re-sign him or let him walk -- will indicate whether McDermott and Beane are truly a new regime or if the legacy of Wilson and Brandon still rules the Bills.    Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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