Potential Kareem Hunt Interest

[Teddy KGB]

6 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Didn’t want him out of KC, don’t want him now. 

 

Why ?   He’s exactly what this team needs 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Why ?   He’s exactly what this team needs 

Some things transcend a resume on the field, personal preference on character I can root for or not. There’s always a next option 

Edited December 28, 2019 by NoHuddleKelly12

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, Virgil said:

No. I don’t want that human trash on this team.  Nothing about him is process 

I’m not sure you’re fully expressing yourself, tell us what you really think. 

 

Go Bills!!!

 

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[Rc2catch]

6 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Why ?   He’s exactly what this team needs 

Tough to say. He’s playing the duke Johnson receiver role in Cleveland and they have Chubb so his rush attempts aren’t there this season. He’s like 3 years out from his one good season. Be tough to pay him big bucks and/or give up a pick to bring him here. Risky move.

[fansince88]

2 hours ago, H2o said:

Meh, idk about the whole "sources from deep within" shtick

You have to hear him out.

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, Gary Busey said:

Do not pay a RB in free agency. Find a bruiser in rounds 3-5 of the draft to pair with Singletary. 

 

It depends what they would pay said RB in free agency.  Hunt has shown to be a top caliber rb.  If they pay him say 5 mil then that's peanuts.  A third round draft pick would make 4 mil anyways.

2 hours ago, sven233 said:

Cheap....sure.  But I am 100% against spending money on a RB.  You start getting into the 4-5 million range and no thanks.  You can find good to great RBs anywhere.  Not worth breaking the bank for that position.

 

4-5 mil is nowhere near "breaking the bank."

[DisplacedBillsFan]

Not sure how anyone could root for this guy. Hope it's not true.

[njbuff]

He would NEVER get past Kim Pegula’s approval.

 

Move on.

[RyanC883]

only if we get a new OC.  Daboll does not appear to know that passing to RB's is permitted.  

[purple haze]

3 hours ago, YoungBillsFan25 said:

I’m not sure why Aj Dillion is not being talked about more on the boards as the potential big bruising back we need. Why spend 10mil yr for Derrick Henry when we can get Dillion on day 2 and pay him way less. He kinda reminds me of a bigger stronger James Connor.

Because Henry is young and proven.  Depends on cost like most signings though, but the Bills are officially  in their window in 2020.  This is when that big name FA will be targeted.  A RB though?  Maybe not.  WR? DE?  I fully expect Beane to sign many of our own, but I predict a "name" being brought in.

[Phil The Thrill]

4 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

A good friend of mine who has close ties to Kareem said we had interest in signing him this year and will continue to have interest in RFA. 
 

I could see us offering $5M - $7M per year to pair with Singletary. Browns have to pay Chubb after next season... I can’t see them tying up $20M + between Chubb and Hunt. 

When is that last time this Bills administration has taken a chance on a player with as high of a negative profile as Hunt? 
 

Granted, they could say the incident happened a while ago, he served his punishment, has made amends etc.  But it seems to me that they typically stay away from these types of players.

[NoSaint]

4 hours ago, sven233 said:

Cheap....sure.  But I am 100% against spending money on a RB.  You start getting into the 4-5 million range and no thanks.  You can find good to great RBs anywhere.  Not worth breaking the bank for that position.

4m is 2% of your cap. For a 53 man roster 2% isn’t breaking the bank 

4 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:

When is that last time this Bills administration has taken a chance on a player with as high of a negative profile as Hunt? 
 

Granted, they could say the incident happened a while ago, he served his punishment, has made amends etc.  But it seems to me that they typically stay away from these types of players.

If talking beane, we have held him to a pretty small window.

 

in Carolina they did have some guys with checkered history 

[Phil The Thrill]

2 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

4m is 2% of your cap. For a 53 man roster 2% isn’t breaking the bank 

If talking beane, we have held him to a pretty small window.

 

in Carolina they did have some guys with checkered history 

Limited maybe.... but in 3 off seasons, they have yet to take a chance on a player that had as ugly of an incident as Kareem Hunt.  
 

I can’t think of one player that this regime has been comfortable in taking a chance one.   To complicate matters this teams owner is a female.  I’m not thinking that signing a player who is probably best known for kicking a woman on camera, is the a good look for the Bills.

 

I think there’s a very little chance of this happening.  

[ComradeKayAdams]

4 hours ago, NewEra said:

Same.  The only rb I’d be willing to spend on is Derrick Henry and that’s only because he brings something to the table that no one else does.  I don’t necessarily want us to spend big on him, but he’d be the only guy I wouldn’t be necessarily be pissed about signing for big bucks.  
 

draft another in the 3rd- 4th and sign another vet.  I’d be happy with Singletary, AP and a 4th rd rb

 

I, too, am on the Derrick Henry bandwagon! Henry, Singletary, and Allen in the backfield would be amazing. Possibly #1 in the league, ahead of Baltimore.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

4 hours ago, mannc said:

That would be a great pickup.  If Hunt regains his previous form—and no reason he couldn’t—we’d ha e one of the best backs in the league, and a serious receiving threat.

I agree, when this guy is at the top of his game he is elite. If your looking for a Mark Ingram type RB Hunt is the RB and more.

[Bills Oil Company]

Some team is going to over pay for Henry.   This thread keeps referring to money vs our cap.   Its really vs what other teams will offer. 

 

He will be offered at least $8-$9M by another team.   Paying RB2 that much is not conducive to building a year in year out playoff team.   Beane is aware. 

 

You over pay for QB, OL, and Def front 7.   Not RB.  See Mitch Morse.     

[CardinalScotts]

7 hours ago, Gary Busey said:

Do not pay a RB in free agency. Find a bruiser in rounds 3-5 of the draft to pair with Singletary. 

they seem to know what they are doing I seriously doubt they bring in Hunt

[Boca BIlls]

I know this guy, who knows a guy.

[Phil The Thrill]

6 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

John Murphy's heart would be broken if they signed Hunt.

 

He is so sure that the Browns are just underachievers because they have "human trash" like Hunt on their team.    

 

He's singled out Hunt before on his show.

 

I think it remains to be seen whether McD would take on someone new with a track record of video-proven issues like Hunt.....but I wouldn't be surprised.   

 

LeSean McCoy was a dirt bag off the field but he was a leader in McD's locker room.

 

Probably comes down to alternative availability in the offseason...........if they go one-and-done in the playoffs or lose again to the Pats in the playoffs there will be a good deal of internal pressure to take measures to not lose the division to New England again next year as well as to stock the offense to elevate Josh Allen.

 

It's a pretty strong RB draft, fwiw.

 

LOL if he does sign we need a Cryin’ Murphy meme (like the crying Jordan meme)

 

But like I said earlier, I don’t think this organization wants a guy who’s known best for kicking a woman.  
 

You mention Shady - the difference is that Shady was already a Bill when McDermott took over.  The domestic abuse allegations were just that...allegations.  They were kind of stuck with him but I do believe they would have cut ties if they needed to.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

A good friend of mine who has close ties to Kareem said we had interest in signing him this year and will continue to have interest in RFA. 
 

I could see us offering $5M - $7M per year to pair with Singletary. Browns have to pay Chubb after next season... I can’t see them tying up $20M + between Chubb and Hunt. 

 

$5-7M on a multi-year contract PLUS a draft pick seems like a whale of a lot to pay for a guy whose most recent season saw 10.4 touches per game (half rush, half pass) for ~50 ypg (25 yds rushing per game).  Especially if we can't figure out how to design and execute a screen pass or check down to a wide-open RB with no defender within 7 yds  ?

 

25 rushing ypg is bottom-of-#2-back numbers.  4.4 ypc is like bottom-third starting RB.   If Hunt was in his full 2017-2018 season form, of course... but still.....why wasn't he in that form in Cleveland? 

 

Then there's the draft pick. Any word on whether the Browns will tender him and what round his tender will be? 

 

It doesn't seem very Beane-like value for FA $$ and draft picks.  Although, there was that Corey Coleman $3.5M trade so ?‍♂️  (Why yes.  Yes, I am still salty about that, with a side order of Benjamin Sucked seasoning, why do you ask?)

 

Then there's the  "distraction" thing.  I wished we'd have kept McCoy esp when Motor was injured, but it was peaceful not wondering when a story was gonna drop about McCoy's baby mama, McCoy's ex-Sugar's home invasion lawsuit, lawsuits resulting from McCoy's Philly bar brawl etc.  It'd be nice not have those replaced with wondering when the next story was gonna drop about Hunt punching a guy at a resort or kicking a girl in a hotel hall.  We sure his haid's on straight now?

 

7 hours ago, mannc said:

That would be a great pickup.  If Hunt regains his previous form—and no reason he couldn’t—we’d ha e one of the best backs in the league, and a serious receiving threat.

 

Well, that's the heart of the question, isn't it?  Why didn't he regain said form in Cleveland?  What was the reason he didn't/couldn't?

[Sherlock Holmes]

7 hours ago, Locomark said:

Anything more than $5 over a 3 yr term for any get RB in this league is a waste of money. If they could get Hunt or Henry for that, so be it. Hunt would be a great spread weapon. While I subscribe to the draft a back in later rounds theory, if getting Hunt allowed us to draft an extra WR or DE in the first 3-4 rounds then I am all for it. 

Christian McCaffrey says I'll give you 1000+ yards rushing and 1000+ yards receiving every year til he retires. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Do not draft a RB in the first round. Ever. Period. I don't care who that player is. 

Use the first pick on a DE, WR or OT. 

 

If you had the chance, you wouldn't take Christian McCaffrey?

[LSHMEAB]

9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

If you had the chance, you wouldn't take Christian McCaffrey?

A RB does have value in the first round ONLY if they're able to do more than just run the ball. Barkley, McCaffrey; these guys are dynamic playmakers in both the pass and run game. I don't even think Zeke was a great pick at #4 TBH. 

 

The notion of drafting a guy like Taylor who has 300 yards receiving in 3 years at Wisconsin in the FIRST round would be foolish. Poor value. 

 

The Bills absolutely need a running back, but I'd like to think they're looking at guys in the 3-5 rd. range.

Edited December 29, 2019 by LSHMEAB

[billsfan_34]

15 hours ago, H2o said:

AJ Dillon

 

[Chandler#81]

16 hours ago, TigerJ said:

I'd like to see Buffalo dress three real running backs every week next season.  I'm OK with Hunt if Beane thinks he fits the culture and budget.  I expect to see a guy drafted too.

This.

 

A rookie with no speed, a guy who’s been past his prime for a couple years now, TJ Yeldon?? a freakin’ FULLBACK???.

Yeeeesh! Take Allen’s running out of the equation and we DON’T have a running threat.

[aristocrat]

i think kenyan drake would be a better signing and more affordable.  runs well and catches too.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

Limited maybe.... but in 3 off seasons, they have yet to take a chance on a player that had as ugly of an incident as Kareem Hunt. 

 

It was longer ago and the lifestyle change clearer and of longer duration, but some would say Duke Williams incident of breaking a teammate's jaw in a bar brawl and getting thrown off the Auburn team was uglier.  The injury was worse and the charges that could have been filed (but weren't) were more serious.  The redemption and change are more clear.

 

Ty Nsekhe has a 2nd degree felony conviction in his past and jail time.  Again, the redemption story is clear and of longer duration but it's quite the checkered past.

 

Those are just two I know of.  My bottom line is, I don't think that Beane and McDermott would hesitate to give a guy with an ugly past a chance, IF they are convinced that the lifestyle issue(s) leading to the incident have been addressed and the change in approach and attitude is sincere and lasting.   That's the question wrt Hunt.

 

I have more questions about the "meh" level of Hunt's most recent play.  He has not been a dawg this year from what I've seen.  Why?  With RBs, the mindset it takes to succeed in the NFL can evaporate in a damned hurry (Eddie Lacey => Bready Lazy etc) and there's no guarantee it returns. 

 

12 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

I can’t think of one player that this regime has been comfortable in taking a chance one.   To complicate matters this teams owner is a female.  I’m not thinking that signing a player who is probably best known for kicking a woman on camera, is the a good look for the Bills.

 

I don't think it's a good assumption that because Kim is a woman, she's going to overrule her FO if they've done their due diligence and feel Hunt has "changed state" mentally.

 

Giving up a draft pick and a relatively good RB contract for Hunt would be way down my list for performance reasons.

 

 

[Buffalo Junction]

16 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

You can’t predict Dillon is going to have a Derrick Henry kind of impact. You get what you pay for sometimes. At least with Henry you know what he brings to the table and even for being in the league 4 years he doesn’t have the normal wear and tear. 
Im sure Beane will be exploring a back to pair with motor 

One of the benefits to Henry is that he’s spent most of his college and NFL career in two back rotations. He’s used to splitting carries and coming in to hammer a defense. Singletary has also proven he can come off the bench and thrash a D. It’s honestly the best two back combination we could have. It’s going to be interesting how that reflects in Henry’s contract though as he’s not really a guy you can use in the passing game. 

[Phil The Thrill]

46 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It was longer ago and the lifestyle change clearer and of longer duration, but some would say Duke Williams incident of breaking a teammate's jaw in a bar brawl and getting thrown off the Auburn team was uglier.  The injury was worse and the charges that could have been filed (but weren't) were more serious.  The redemption and change are more clear.

 

Ty Nsekhe has a 2nd degree felony conviction in his past and jail time.  Again, the redemption story is clear and of longer duration but it's quite the checkered past.

 

Those are just two I know of.  My bottom line is, I don't think that Beane and McDermott would hesitate to give a guy with an ugly past a chance, IF they are convinced that the lifestyle issue(s) leading to the incident have been addressed and the change in approach and attitude is sincere and lasting.   That's the question wrt Hunt.

 

I have more questions about the "meh" level of Hunt's most recent play.  He has not been a dawg this year from what I've seen.  Why?  With RBs, the mindset it takes to succeed in the NFL can evaporate in a damned hurry (Eddie Lacey => Bready Lazy etc) and there's no guarantee it returns. 

 

 

I don't think it's a good assumption that because Kim is a woman, she's going to overrule her FO if they've done their due diligence and feel Hunt has "changed state" mentally.

 

Giving up a draft pick and a relatively good RB contract for Hunt would be way down my list for performance reasons.

 

 

These examples aren’t really on the same level - one was a bar fight and the other was a burglary.   They also happened years ago and neither was near as high-profile as Hunt.  
 

It’s also the type of the incident and the fact that it was captured on camera.  It’s not just as accusation, you can literally see Hunt kick the female in the head.  Domestic violence is currently a talking point in sports (and society) today.  Right or wrong, people seem to be more forgiving over other negative incidents than they are with domestic violence.     

I don’t believe Kim would over rule them, but I also don’t think that as an organization, the Bills are interested in onboarding a player with that kind of background.  

 

 

 

Edited December 29, 2019 by Phil The Thrill

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:

These examples aren’t really on the same level - one was a bar fight and the other was a burglary.   They also happened years ago and neither was near as high-profile as Hunt.  
 

It’s also the type of the incident and the fact that it was captures on camera.  Domestic violence is currently a talking point in sports (and society) today.  Right or wrong, people seem to be more forgiving over other negative incidents than they are with domestic violence.     

I don’t believe Kim would over rule them, but I also don’t think that as an organization, the Bills are interested in onboarding a player with that kind of background. 

 

I think they're on another level, too, but in the other direction ?‍♂️  so we'll have to agree to disagree

 

I'm not saying it was a nothing-burger, but the girl in question was not in a relationship of any kind with Hunt and was totally uninjured.  The only reason I think it became a big deal and he was cut by the Chiefs, was because Hunt had 3 incidents that off-season and because Hunt lied to the team and the league about the 3rd incident, saying he never came out of the room nor touched the woman himself.

 

Hopefully we can agree on the point, McDermott and Beane would have to be persuaded that a player with a checkered past has changed their ways.

 

Again, my big concern about Hunt isn't his past, it's why his level of play was so "meh" for the Browns.  Maybe it's not on him, it's not like I've watched his every snap.

[Phil The Thrill]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think they're on another level, too, but in the other direction ?‍♂️  so we'll have to agree to disagree

 

I'm not saying it was a nothing-burger, but the girl in question was not in a relationship of any kind with Hunt and was totally uninjured.  The only reason I think it became a big deal and he was cut by the Chiefs, was because Hunt had 3 incidents that off-season and because Hunt lied to the team and the league about the 3rd incident, saying he never came out of the room nor touched the woman himself.

 

Hopefully we can agree on the point, McDermott and Beane would have to be persuaded that a player with a checkered past has changed their ways.

 

Again, my big concern about Hunt isn't his past, it's why his level of play was so "meh" for the Browns.  Maybe it's not on him, it's not like I've watched his every snap.

Yep...with you on that ??

[Fan in Chicago]

10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

If you had the chance, you wouldn't take Christian McCaffrey?

Tough as it sounds, I wouldn't roll the dice. We have been burnt way too many times in the past when higher impact players were still on the board.

Also look at the Giants. When they picked Barkley, I was of the opinion they should have picked a QB instead to take a smooth handoff from Eli. In retrospect, did Barkley affect their overall O performance enough ? It was a QB rich class, and the Giants would have been better served picking a Darnold, Allen or Jackson. 

 

So, as much a weapon that McCaffrey is, it is a safer choice, at the time of the draft (and not in retrospect) to pick a player at a rarer position of general availability.

[dollars 2 donuts]

19 hours ago, H2o said:

Meh, idk about the whole "sources from deep within" shtick

 

Well, my sources from deep within me say I’m going to down a lot of pasta today during a relaxing regular season finale.

 

...take it to the Bank, brother. ?

Edited December 29, 2019 by dollars 2 donuts

[Bermuda Triangle]

Let's stay away from Hunt

 

https://www.tmz.com/2020/01/24/kareem-hunt-pulled-over-speeding-marijuana-weed-cleveland-browns/

[atlbillsfan1975]

Never break the law while breaking the law! 

[YoloinOhio]

Can’t fix stupid 

[Lurker]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Can’t fix stupid 

 

 Isn't that the Browns team motto?... 

 

EDIT:   Yippy-ki-yea!   

 

 https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/news/kareem-hunt-pulled-over-marijuana-found-in-the-car-cited-for-speeding

 

Edited January 24, 2020 by Lurker

[H2o]

5 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

 Isn't that the Browns team motto?... 

 

EDIT:   Yipp-ki-yea!   

 

 https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/news/kareem-hunt-pulled-over-marijuana-found-in-the-car-cited-for-speeding

 

He's gonna possibly get released and suspended again. Claiming it's his brother's after his history isn't going to fly with the NFL I'm sure. 

Edited January 24, 2020 by H2o

[Rc2catch]

Well we can chalk him off the debate list for sure. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Judging from the pic, he may have been smoking when it was taken too!

 

So let me get this straight..

 

 

He's pulled over for speeding

 

Cop smells pot (which I'd interpret to mean smoked, burnt pot)

 

Cop does search, finds a small amount

 

Gives him a ticket for speeding and sends him on his way.

 

 

So he's letting a stoned guy drive down the highway?

 

Glad I'm not driving around in Ohio!