There is one primary reason we lost this game

[foreboding]

When Josh making those 5 to 6 easy throws per game that are possible game changers we wont lose much.

 

I know we are all bitching about the coaching etc, but the coaches did put us in a position to win. As many have said, I too would have liked to see more creative blitzes etc, but what do we know?

 

For the record I am 100% in support of our QB.

 

There were several times in this game and the Ravens game that Josh could have changed the whole vibe and he will get there, but he is young.

The good news is that he does enough other things well. Including the one thing you cannot teach, heart (see the 4th and X sneaks). We can win with JA; when he gets the consistent touch on his throws, this team will be with the top 4 teams for a decade.

 

I also like the fact that he owns it and seems to know he has to get better. I think he will.

[billsfan1959]

He is not the primary reason they lost the game. There is enough blame to go around. It is a team sport....

[MAJBobby]

Tackling or lack there of HAD A HUGE role 

[SCBills]

I’d say defense was, by far, the main culprit, but this is a fair assessment of Allen. 

[whatdrought]

21 minutes ago, foreboding said:

When Josh making those 5 to 6 easy throws per game that are possible game changers we wont lose much.

 

I know we are all bitching about the coaching etc, but the coaches did put us in a position to win. As many have said, I too would have liked to see more creative blitzes etc, but what do we know?

 

For the record I am 100% in support of our QB.

 

There were several times in this game and the Ravens game that Josh could have changed the whole vibe and he will get there, but he is young.

The good news is that he does enough other things well. Including the one thing you cannot teach, heart (see the 4th and X sneaks). We can win with JA; when he gets the consistent touch on his throws, this team will be with the top 4 teams for a decade.

 

I also like the fact that he owns it and seems to know he has to get better. I think he will.

 

This is stupid.

 

he did enough to win. Not perfect at all, but the blame falls on the defense before it falls on Allen. 

[RiotAct]

25% Josh not making the throws he should have

 

15% refs letting blatant holding go on the Pats’ offensive line seemingly every play

 

60% our defense forgetting the fundamentals and once again giving Brady wayyyyy too much respect.

[ToGoGo]

After sleeping on it, this was a game of little advantages. Our D needed to be a little better, our O a little better, the refs a little better, etc. 

 

There were many things that led to a loss and changing just one of them might have changed the outcome. This appears to be the final step of overtaking the Patriots. Beating them or at least matching up with them on the little things. 

[thebandit27]

31 minutes ago, foreboding said:

When Josh making those 5 to 6 easy throws per game that are possible game changers we wont lose much.

 

I know we are all bitching about the coaching etc, but the coaches did put us in a position to win. As many have said, I too would have liked to see more creative blitzes etc, but what do we know?

 

For the record I am 100% in support of our QB.

 

There were several times in this game and the Ravens game that Josh could have changed the whole vibe and he will get there, but he is young.

The good news is that he does enough other things well. Including the one thing you cannot teach, heart (see the 4th and X sneaks). We can win with JA; when he gets the consistent touch on his throws, this team will be with the top 4 teams for a decade.

 

I also like the fact that he owns it and seems to know he has to get better. I think he will.

 

Honest question: what did the coaching staff do to put the team in a position to win?

[KD in CA]

29 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

He is not the primary reason they lost the game. There is enough blame to go around. It is a team sport....

Exactly.  There is no ‘primary’ reason, there are a bunch of them.  In no particular order, they lost because:

 

-Josh misses throws he needs to make

-Daboll insisting on running for no gain on first down every series in the second half after NE adjusted to stop it.

-Bad tackling all over the field

-Defensive game plan that ignored 20 years of history in how you beat Brady.

 

 

 

[The Process]

25 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

25% Josh not making the throws he should have

 

15% refs letting blatant holding go on the Pats’ offensive line seemingly every play

 

60% our defense forgetting the fundamentals and once again giving Brady wayyyyy too much respect.

Agreed.....the whole game, I was yelling at the television.....SO WHY IS BRADY STILL STANDING? Nothing on the line as far as the game goes......Patriots are 1st and goal......B word slap Brady.....What is the penalty?.....Half the distance......screw it....smash  (and I quote Warner "the great Tom Brady")!!!!!

[djp14150]

If buffalo had won one of the games they lost thus tied with NE and winner gets control the game would have bern different

 

because it was very unlikely buffalo win the division even with a win...buffalo didn’t show their cards in the game.

 

 

[atlbillsfan1975]

27 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Honest question: what did the coaching staff do to put the team in a position to win?

Great question. 

[Cruiserplayer]

28 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Honest question: what did the coaching staff do to put the team in a position to win?

They did draw up a play on second and goal that had Allen protected and Knox with plenty of separation in end zone.

Edited December 22, 2019 by Cruiserplayer

[Chicharito]

A lot of people throwing everything on the defensive side for this lose! How many more games does this unit have hand the offense the game? Yes it’s a team game but one unit has been absolutely the best the other is terrible. Let’s not forget what our bread and butter has been and that’s the D! The D is tired.

[thebandit27]

6 minutes ago, Cruiserplayer said:

They did draw up a play on second and goal that had Allen protected and Knox with plenty of separation in end zone.

 

Indeed...and that's the point. The one example that we can point to occurs on the final drive...when they need to score and Allen is no longer being asked to manage the game.

 

These guys need to get out of this kid's way if they want any chance of winning in the playoffs 

3 minutes ago, Chicharito said:

A lot of people throwing everything on the defensive side for this lose! How many more games does this unit have hand the offense the game? Yes it’s a team game but one unit has been absolutely the best the other is terrible. Let’s not forget what our bread and butter has been and that’s the D! The D is tired.

 

The D has kept them in games, but the D should not be getting all of the credit for wins. They have scored zero points.

 

Edited December 22, 2019 by thebandit27

[buffaloboyinATL]

41 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:

After sleeping on it, this was a game of little advantages. Our D needed to be a little better, our O a little better, the refs a little better, etc. 

 

There were many things that led to a loss and changing just one of them might have changed the outcome. This appears to be the final step of overtaking the Patriots. Beating them or at least matching up with them on the little things. 

So true. I know it happens every game, but there were so many plays where our Defense was one step too late, or they jumped to block a pass and missed it by a fraction.  We have to get that incremental amount better and we will win these tight games.

[NewEra]

Oh man. There is ONE primary reason we lost.  The Pats scored more points than us.  
 

if this......bs

 

if that......:bs

 

bs, bs, bs.

 

its a team game and there are many reasons that we lost.  There is ONE primary reason.  We were outscored.

 

The defense gave up too many points

The offense didn’t score enough points.  
 

the refs screwed us.

 

the defense failed us!!!

 

yeah, but the defense failed us because the offense couldn’t move the ball effectively which led to the defense being on the field for 31+ mins.

this is so nauseating 

 

 

 

 

[/dev/null]

[Kelly the Dog]

1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Indeed...and that's the point. The one example that we can point to occurs on the final drive...when they need to score and Allen is no longer being asked to manage the game.

 

These guys need to get out of this kid's way if they want any chance of winning in the playoffs 

 

The D has kept them in games, but the D should not be getting all of the credit for wins. They have scored zero points.

 

One of the major reasons you take the restraints off Josh now is because the defense is so good for the most part. He makes mistakes and they can bail him out. To me if you let Josh be Josh we score 7-10 more a game and give up 3-7 more a game. That could be a couple wins. There is no way of knowing that for sure of course. But he's clearly being held back. 

[TFBillsfan]

Sorry this game was lost by the lack of piss poor tackling ALL game. They even make half of those tackles and it’s a completely different game. LB and secondary had huge missed tackles. 
 

IMO, the offense did enough to win the game. Not sure why we ran such a conservative defensive scheme. 

At the end of the day, it’s a team lost and the seasoned more experienced team made a few extra plays against a younger upstart team. 
 

Half glass full, Bills went toe to toe with the Ravens and Patriots. I wanted this game as much as anyone else but in year 3, they should finish 11-5 and secured a playoff spot in week 16. That is SIGNIFICANT progress. Now go beat the Texans!
 

Future looks bright!

 

[Boatdrinks]

Do we need 5 threads whose topic is the main reason the Bills lost the game ? 

[jlgarsh]

2 hours ago, whatdrought said:

 

This is stupid.

 

he did enough to win. Not perfect at all, but the blame falls on the defense before it falls on Allen. 

 

If they held them to a fg we win 20-19 at the end

[Meatloaf63]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

Oh man. There is ONE primary reason we lost.  The Pats scored more points than us.  
 

if this......bs

 

if that......:bs

 

bs, bs, bs.

 

its a team game and there are many reasons that we lost.  There is ONE primary reason.  We were outscored.

 

The defense gave up too many points

The offense didn’t score enough points.  
 

the refs screwed us.

 

the defense failed us!!!

 

yeah, but the defense failed us because the offense couldn’t move the ball effectively which led to the defense being on the field for 31+ mins.

this is so nauseating 

 

 

 

 

All the defense had to do was stop them on the first set of downs each series and our offense could have had more opportunities. 75 yard drive from the one is ridiculous. Make a stop get off the field. I know nauseating....

Edited December 22, 2019 by Meatloaf63

[Kelly the Dog]

41 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Do we need 5 threads whose topic is the main reason the Bills lost the game ? 

Well there were five main reasons.

[NewEra]

37 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

All the defense had to do was stop them on the first set of downs each series and our offense could have had more opportunities. 75 yard drive from the one is ridiculous. Make a stop get off the field. I know nauseating....

IF Josh allen completes that pass to Knox on 2nd down on the final drive......  You can say the same thing about almost every big play in the game.  
 

if this....

 

if that.....

 

it’s a combination of all things.

[GrizzReaper]

We lost because our defense forgot how to do the most basic thing in football.... Tackle. They really need to clean that BS up. It's been an issue all year... Idk of it's bc they're small fast guys or whatever but they have a tackling problem and I hope McDermott and Frazier get after them about it this week...

[Dablitzkrieg]

3 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Tackling or lack there of HAD A HUGE role 

Poor 3rd down defense.  I agree.  And Josh

[Meatloaf63]

47 minutes ago, NewEra said:

IF Josh allen completes that pass to Knox on 2nd down on the final drive......  You can say the same thing about almost every big play in the game.  
 

if this....

 

if that.....

 

it’s a combination of all things.

My response was to the thought it was the offenses fault the defense was tired and on the field too long, they controlled that by not getting their job done.

[DuckyBoys]

game was lost at the line of scrimmage  Pats consistently ran for 4-6 yards a carry setting up manageable  downs for Brady  Bills could not run the football leaving Allen in third and long way too much

[Foxx]

im'a go out on a limb here and say that the primary reason we lost is because they had more points than we did.

[PromoTheRobot]

5 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Tackling or lack there of HAD A HUGE role 

 

Overall poor defensive performance is where it begins for me. Josh was off in the first half too. But we needed one of two stops at the end and couldn't get it. The Pats matched up and down the field at will.

[Phil The Thrill]

5 hours ago, whatdrought said:

 

This is stupid.

 

he did enough to win. Not perfect at all, but the blame falls on the defense before it falls on Allen. 

Is 17 points enough to beat a Super Bowl Champion?  I don’t think it is.  A lot of blame goes to the defense and a lot goes to Allen

2 hours ago, GrizzReaper said:

We lost because our defense forgot how to do the most basic thing in football.... Tackle. They really need to clean that BS up. It's been an issue all year... Idk of it's bc they're small fast guys or whatever but they have a tackling problem and I hope McDermott and Frazier get after them about it this week...

And we lost because our offense couldn’t score more than 17 pts 

[DC Tom]

It came down to what it always comes down to: Patriots don't make mistakes.  If you make mistakes against them, you lose.  And this year's offense has a sandlot element to it, where they, if not embrace mistakes, at least accept them as opportunities for Josh Allen to improvise big plays.  That'll beat a lot of teams, but not the Pats.

 

Plus...it doesn't hurt to pay off the officials.  It was pretty funny that the ref had to admonish the timeskeepers that the clock stops on the visiting team's incompletions. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, Chicharito said:

A lot of people throwing everything on the defensive side for this lose! How many more games does this unit have hand the offense the game? Yes it’s a team game but one unit has been absolutely the best the other is terrible. Let’s not forget what our bread and butter has been and that’s the D! The D is tired.

 

Cry me a river.  D doesn’t want to get tired, they should Cowboy up so to speak and get their butts off the field instead of being frog-marched backwards for 2 long drives in the first half

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

5 hours ago, RiotAct said:

25% Josh not making the throws he should have

 

15% refs letting blatant holding go on the Pats’ offensive line seemingly every play

 

60% our defense forgetting the fundamentals and once again giving Brady wayyyyy too much respect.

 

Lots of missed tackles, lots of them 

[Do The Reich Thing]

We lost because of getting dominated on both lines of scrimmage and the refs. 

[whatdrought]

29 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:

Is 17 points enough to beat a Super Bowl Champion?  I don’t think it is.  A lot of blame goes to the defense and a lot goes to Allen

And we lost because our offense couldn’t score more than 17 pts 

 

Yes. It is. It said SB champion scores 16. Like they did last time. When the defense played well. 

 

[Pokebball]

6 hours ago, RiotAct said:

25% Josh not making the throws he should have

 

15% refs letting blatant holding go on the Pats’ offensive line seemingly every play

 

60% our defense forgetting the fundamentals and once again giving Brady wayyyyy too much respect.

Got to give our rushing game some of those percentage points. Ignoring Allen's rushing yards we racked up less than 50 yards yards for the game.

[Buffarukus]

6 hours ago, whatdrought said:

 

This is stupid.

 

he did enough to win. Not perfect at all, but the blame falls on the defense before it falls on Allen. 

 

i dont know about this. I think we have become accustomed to our D shutting down opposing teams while we muddle enough O to win. they were out there a huge amount of time.. you 3 n out a ton against the pats..points will be scored. not to mention the D provided a very short field and 3 points for us.

 

at what point can we ask the O to bail out the D. sustain drives to give them a rest. tackling was definitely a issue but there were plenty of opportunities to put this game out of reach that the offense simply didnt execute. hit the recievers that were wide open and we win the game.

[Chaos]

Allen did not win the game singled highhandedly.  This does not mean he lost the game.  The team ran for 49 yards (without Allen) and the defense could not get off the field.  Allen had no turnovers, 2 TDS and a 103 QB rating yesterday. He did his part.