Armchair QB Whisperers beware! Pros see Allen differently.

[CincyBillsFan]

6 minutes ago, arcane said:

Allen gets every missed throw microanalyzed like no QB I've ever seen in my life, and it's because of his draft profile, and the fact that people had stronger negative opinions of him before ever seeing an NFL snap than any Bills draft pick I've ever seen. 

While he's obviously still growing, every time I turn on another game and watch other good QBs, I laugh, and say to myself at least 10 times a game that if our QB had made that throw, there'd be 15 total pages on it between all of the threads. QBs miss throws, especially against NE, BAL, and PIT. and against those 3 defenses, he got better each week. he went from being horrendous 10-19 yards down the field to a top 5 QB in that range in one offseason. He's played in fewer than 30 games. We're in a good spot.

 

You are spot on here! 

 

It's really deranged the way some fans do this with Allen.  I just watched a replay of the 1st half of the Bills/Raiders 1991 Championship game and Kelly had two bad throws where he missed wide open guys about 15 yards down the field and the 1st thing I thought was that it was a good thing we didn't have social media back then! 

 

 

[billsfan1959]

Just now, Magox said:

Yes, it's absurd because he said "large chunks" of the game.   And it is absurd to say 75% sub par play.  Your defense of his post is also  and has no factual basis behind it.

 

He picks an article by a  Pats*** fan and ignores a number of "actual" national media members singing Allen's praises. This board is almost insufferable after a loss with the handful of posters who feel the need to take over every thread with their "Allen might possibly be the worst QB who has ever picked up a football in the history of the sport" posts...

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I can see both sides of the argument and the only real answer is time will tell. 

 

I never thought Flacco was a accurate passer but that year he lead the Ravens to a SB he must of had a out of body experience or something. That might have been one of the best performances by a QB who up’ed his game in the playoffs that I have ever seen. 

 

I cant wait to see how pumped up Allen is for the playoffs and if he can elevate his game.

[thebandit27]

23 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Josh is making some of the same mistakes now that he made nearly 2 years ago.

 

Are we sure he's progressing and "learning" ???

 

His completion % is more what I'd call regressing to the mean.

 

 

 

 

You're definitely joking.

 

There's absolutely no way that anyone watching this kid could say they don't see serious progress.

 

Unless that person is an idiot. But I don't believe you're an idiot. So the only logical explanation is that you're joking.

[Augie]

Progress does not mean perfection. Just keep making progress. This was NOT the Josh Allen of last year, or the guy who played the Patriots earlier this season. Progress. 

[ToGoGo]

2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

You're definitely joking.

 

There's absolutely no way that anyone watching this kid could say they don't see serious progress.

 

Unless that person is an idiot. But I don't believe you're an idiot. So the only logical explanation is that you're joking.

 

God help us all. 

[whorlnut]

Just now, Augie said:

Progress does not mean perfection. Just keep making progress. This was NOT the Josh Allen of last year, or the guy who played the Patriots earlier this season. Progress. 

Great post. And 100% spot on. 

[billsfan1959]

3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

You're definitely joking.

 

There's absolutely no way that anyone watching this kid could say they don't see serious progress.

 

Unless that person is an idiot. But I don't believe you're an idiot. So the only logical explanation is that you're joking.

 

My guess is he will prove you wrong before this thread ends....

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

He picks an article by a  Pats*** fan and ignores a number of "actual" national media members singing Allen's praises. This board is almost insufferable after a loss with the handful of posters who feel the need to take over every thread with their "Allen might possibly be the worst QB who has ever picked up a football in the history of the sport" posts...

I sometimes think these takes are an insight into a lack of understanding they have about football. Everybody thinks they get the QB and his job, but really not so much. In short, in their minds it is was they understand and they really don't think they lack understanding. I can tell by reading posts, such as yours, that you get that it isn't as simple as that, much context is required. These are not excuses, but actual analysis.

[Magox]

10 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

You're definitely joking.

 

There's absolutely no way that anyone watching this kid could say they don't see serious progress.

 

Unless that person is an idiot. But I don't believe you're an idiot. So the only logical explanation is that you're joking.

No, he's an "idiot".  In the DC Tom sort of way

Edited December 22, 2019 by Magox

[TwistofFate]

15 minutes ago, jimmy10 said:

Is Sex Panther writing your takes? 60% of the time it works every time? 

In the words of Mitch Morse, kudos

[Teddy KGB]

33 minutes ago, london_bills said:

Yes and I genuinely agree with a lot of what Nextmanup says. I just read it as telling the truth. Maybe we are prophets ??

 

Jrober is still your king ?

[london_bills]

I think he's a tottenham fan if I remember his picture correctly, can't be king as a spurs fan (sorry jrober!) 

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

I think he's coming along as expected, as a game manager year 2 getting more valuable reps and was good enough to get us to the playoffs, weak schedule or not in years past we weren't good enough to even beat the teams we should have to make it, we've arrived there. From looking at some other QB's who I think looked similar to Allen in playing styles (Matthew Stafford/Ben Roethlisberger) it took Big Ben until year 4 to put it all together but made the playoffs as a game manager for 2 out of the 3 seasons and Matthew Stafford got it together in year 3. I mean from where Allen was last year to now is pretty incredible, the guy has 20 TD, 9 INT, 58.8 comp % (hopefully he can get that part of his game up) and his rushing ability makes him even better. I've been really impressed with him this season and I'm not sure why so many are down on him at this point.

[Locomark]

52 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

I can remember a few bad plays yesterday but no large chunks of yesterday's game or even this season where that is true. 

 

Yesterday against the NFL's best defense (can we stop forgetting that), he threw for 200 yards and rushed for about 50 more. The line was terrible. There was no running game. And they were still on the 8 yard line with a chance to tie it...when we went QB sweep, missed pass, and then 2 plays with zero blocking. 

 

 

 

Bingo!!!  Blaming this game on Josh is ludicrous. We also gave up 3 75+ yard drives on defense and got outsacked 4-0. Josh could have made some extra plays but he hardly was the difference here. Those 2 bombs are not plays most QBs could make ever. The Brown throw was while getting blasted and throwing with no base.

Our terrible running game really hurt. The season stats showed Pats are worst against run when 3 WR, so Daboll goes with 2 WR trying to outcoach Belicheck. How did that work out? 

Edited December 22, 2019 by Locomark

[wiseman3]

Josh Allen had 2 TDs and zero turnovers against the best defense in the NFL (some have called best all time) and people are trying to say that he had a bad game? I'm sorry but that just does not make sense to me. His growth has been unbelievable. Do any of you watch other NFL games? Unless your name is Drew Brees, quarterbacks miss throws all the time. I'm sick of everyone expecting perfection from a 2nd year raw qb. 

Edited December 22, 2019 by wiseman3

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

55 minutes ago, Irv said:

I'm astonished at the cannon the guy has.  I'm also astonished that an NFL caliber QB can't hit a wide open Beasly 15 yards away.  Seems to be throwing off the back foot a lot.  

 

 

 

You apparently don’t watch a lot of games then, because typically the 15-20 yard throw is his honey spot.

[ColoradoBills]

CBS Pregame had Boomer praising Josh Allen and said he is the Bills QB for the next 10 years.

 

Getting some playoff experience will be good for the young man.

He has a lot to work on and we know he will put in the effort.

I still see him improving and EVERYONE will have to wait to see how much it will be.

[Dopey]

34 minutes ago, Augie said:

Progress does not mean perfection. Just keep making progress. This was NOT the Josh Allen of last year, or the guy who played the Patriots earlier this season. Progress. 

This.

[JMF2006]

44 minutes ago, arcane said:

This was me. I hated the pick more than any single other thing the Bills had done in my fanhood. 

I look back and am embarrassed to have pretended I know anything about football 

 

Its all good look how many knowledgeable NFL gurus were wrong.

 

At least you see the light and quit beating your head against the wall. 

[CheshireCT]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

Josh is making some of the same mistakes now that he made nearly 2 years ago.

 

Are we sure he's progressing and "learning" ???

 

His completion % is more what I'd call regressing to the mean.

 

 

 

 

He has absolutely improved drastically. Look at the touchdown to interception ratio as an example. Sure he still makes some of the same mistakes, is he supposed to fix literally EVERYTHING in one season? Baby steps, one thing at a time.

[london_bills]

34 minutes ago, Augie said:

Progress does not mean perfection. Just keep making progress. This was NOT the Josh Allen of last year, or the guy who played the Patriots earlier this season. Progress. 

Ok. He's not throwing picks. Let's see if he progresses to improve everything. 

 

(Not to be argumentative but the majority of the first half was the Allen of last year.) 

[JMF2006]

7 minutes ago, london_bills said:

Ok. He's not throwing picks. Let's see if he progresses to improve everything. 

 

(Not to be argumentative but the majority of the first half was the Allen of last year.) 

 

The majority of the first half the Patriots had the ball and wouldn`t give it back

Edited December 22, 2019 by JMF2006

[Hebert19]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

Josh is making some of the same mistakes now that he made nearly 2 years ago.

 

Are we sure he's progressing and "learning" ???

 

His completion % is more what I'd call regressing to the mean.

 

 

 

Ummmm.  He has 29 tds and 9 ints.  Pretty sure that's improving.  Smfh

[london_bills]

6 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:

 

The majority of the first half the Patriots had the ball and wouldn`t give it back

Did we not have 3 3 and outs? Remember the replays of beasley open and the overthrow to knox? 

[JMF2006]

Just now, london_bills said:

Did we not have 3 3 and outs? Remember the replays of beasley open and the overthrow to knox? 

 

And we couldn`t run the ball

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

Josh is making some of the same mistakes now that he made nearly 2 years ago.

 

Are we sure he's progressing and "learning" ???

 

His completion % is more what I'd call regressing to the mean.

 

 

 

Can we ban this guy yet?

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:

 

You're definitely joking.

 

There's absolutely no way that anyone watching this kid could say they don't see serious progress.

 

Unless that person is an idiot. But I don't believe you're an idiot. So the only logical explanation is that you're joking.

 

He already said yesterday that he hopes the Bills move on from Allen as soon as possible.  Don't even bother.  Anyone with that kind of attitude about this kid is an idiot.

[london_bills]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Can we ban this guy yet?

Come on

[timekills17]

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2019/12/why-buffalo-bills-loss-to-patriots-was-still-a-win-for-josh-allen.html

 

The second was maybe the best play he’s made in his NFL career. Under pressure, Allen stood in the pocket, saw receiver John Brown make a filthy move on a Patriots cornerback and floated it out perfectly to the streaking speedster.

 

*cough* Gilmore *cough*

Total TDs given up during coverage for the 2019 season so far:

Tre' White - 0

Stephon Gilmore - 1

[london_bills]

What I will say is Allen looks like a different player when he has run calls built into the gameplan. So many of his good drives have one or two or his runs in them. 

[Meatloaf63]

1 hour ago, Irv said:

I'm astonished at the cannon the guy has.  I'm also astonished that an NFL caliber QB can't hit a wide open Beasly 15 yards away.  Seems to be throwing off the back foot a lot.  

 

 

 

On a side arm throw trying to avoid pressure ok?

[RaoulDuke79]

30 minutes ago, london_bills said:

Ok. He's not throwing picks. Let's see if he progresses to improve everything. 

 

(Not to be argumentative but the majority of the first half was the Allen of last year.) 

Yeah, at some point I'd like to see him make a field goal or two and return punts.

[Real McClappy]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

Josh is making some of the same mistakes now that he made nearly 2 years ago.

 

Are we sure he's progressing and "learning" ???

 

His completion % is more what I'd call regressing to the mean.

 

 

 

Where do you see regression from year1 to 2?

 

ear	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	1D	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	Sk	Yds	NY/A	ANY/A	Sk%	4QC	GWD	AV
2018	22	BUF	QB	17	12	11	5-6-0	169	320	52.8	2074	10	3.1	12	3.8	89	75	6.5	5.4	12.3	172.8	67.9	49.8	28	213	5.35	4.37	8.0	2	3	6
2019	23	BUF	QB	17	15	15	10-5-0	268	456	58.8	3084	20	4.4	9	2.0	146	53	6.8	6.8	11.5	205.6	85.6	46.5	38	237	5.76	5.75	7.7	4	5

 

 

[london_bills]

1 hour ago, Irv said:

I'm astonished at the cannon the guy has.  I'm also astonished that an NFL caliber QB can't hit a wide open Beasly 15 yards away.  Seems to be throwing off the back foot a lot.  

 

 

 

Something is going on mentally with him that is affecting his technique. If you watch his presser he talks about having to sort this out. 

2 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Yeah, at some point I'd like to see him make a field goal or two and return punts.

Haha or a wide open throw. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Good assessment by Matt Parrino

 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2019/12/why-buffalo-bills-loss-to-patriots-was-still-a-win-for-josh-allen.html

Cole Beasley said there is no question mark when it comes to Allen. Saturday night’s performance confirmed the slot receivers’ assessment.

“I knew it wasn’t going to be the same guy that played them the first time. Everybody in the locker room knew that,” Beasley said. “We have a lot of faith in him and that dude’s gonna be one of the best quarterbacks in the league.”

Allen’s two touchdown passes were results of deep balls. Encouraging for Bills fans as their quarterback has struggled in that area all season. The first was a perfect ball to rookie tight end Dawson Knox, setting up a one-yard touchdown pass to left tackle Dion Dawkins. The second was maybe the best play he’s made in his NFL career. Under pressure, Allen stood in the pocket, saw receiver John Brown make a filthy move on a Patriots cornerback and floated it out perfectly to the streaking speedster.

Allen made plays with his legs and his arm.

 

 

[NewEra]

9 minutes ago, london_bills said:

Come on

Crusaders not allowed 

[Gray Beard]

I think Josh needs to practice short passes, touch passes, screen passes.  

Rather than run, run, pass, punt, I wish they would give Josh some opportunities to practice those kinds of passes more often.

They do a little, but it’s almost as if they avoid them because he has trouble with them.  

I think they should emphasize them so he gets some practice.  

Maybe next week against the Jets they will, unless they rest the starters. 

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, SWATeam said:

We all know about the wow plays.  What we need to see is making the average plays consistently.

 

Im hopeful that will come but it’s not there yet.

A lot of average plays have been there....but our receivers keep dropping them.

[london_bills]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Crusaders not allowed

Defenders only