Flip Johnson Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 One thing that has become clear over the last three years - Sean McDermott is a top end NFL coach. To me, the most important question of the coach is - what is his contribution? What is it that he does that affects the game? Maybe eight or ten do something substantial - Belichick, Harbaugh, Tomlin, Reid, Payton, Carroll, McVay - McDermott is stepping into that tier. I don't know if any team in the league uses defensive timeouts as often as the Bills, but last night McDermott set up in base personnel, saw the Steelers offensive look, called TO, and brought pressure resulting in the Poyer INT. That is changing the game. People can complain as much as they want about challenge flags or use of time outs. With McDermott the Bills have a defensive mind that changes the game for the opponent every week. He is an A+ in terms of scheme and preparation and he has the ability to be the CEO of the organization and keep everyone focused. He won't win CoY this year and he doesn't need to. I hope he stays fifteen years. 19 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Sure is a good coach, I feel like he will do the same for the offense over the next couple of years, Beane will find the players for him. If we win the division or run deep into the playoffs he will certainly be a COY top candidate, and should win it imo. Go Bills!!! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 That job he did in 2017 established him as a solid coach, even in 2018 winning 6 games was slightly above their talent level. Then in 2019 with a talent roster full of players who were fully built into his system he has flourished. And the team unlike the 2018 Bears is set up to add and retain talent in the following off-season building off of success as opposed to overachieving for it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 I really like him, so far BUT...... We need at least one playoff win this year and a good second game where we lose because they are the better team talent wise. Then you can start talking about being in the top third of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobblehead Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 (edited) His one issue is time-out management but other than that yeah Edited December 16, 2019 by bobblehead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Glad we didn't let McNasty leave the building. Such a good hire after the Wrex Ryan mistake/debacle by Kim and Terry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 He’s a good coach. He’s an elite leader. What he’s done the past two seasons with an inferior roster and getting the most out of his guys is nothing short of amazing. However as coach there’s still some things that don’t stand out as elite like some of the guys you mentioned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: He’s a good coach. He’s an elite leader. What he’s done the past two seasons with an inferior roster and getting the most out of his guys is nothing short of amazing. However as coach there’s still some things that don’t stand out as elite like some of the guys you mentioned. I agree, but like Josh Allen, I think he'll get there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mc1320 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 One of the reasons I bought season tickets this year was the fact that McD got 6 wins out of that roster last year. After the opener in Baltimore I was worried we would go 0-16 because the roster was such a dumpster fire. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: I agree, but like Josh Allen, I think he'll get there. Yeah I don’t blame him at all for a lot of the criticism he gets on here. I see why he does some of the head scratching things he does. Good news is they’re winning and building a winning culture. 4 minutes ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said: That’s gold right there 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Everything is tied with the growth of Josh Allen. If Allen succeeds McDermott will too and both will remain here for a long time. Every sign points to that success. Both of them work hard and committed to the process. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 30 minutes ago, Flip Johnson said: One thing that has become clear over the last three years - Sean McDermott is a top end NFL coach. To me, the most important question of the coach is - what is his contribution? What is it that he does that affects the game? Maybe eight or ten do something substantial - Belichick, Harbaugh, Tomlin, Reid, Payton, Carroll, McVay - McDermott is stepping into that tier. I don't know if any team in the league uses defensive timeouts as often as the Bills, but last night McDermott set up in base personnel, saw the Steelers offensive look, called TO, and brought pressure resulting in the Poyer INT. That is changing the game. People can complain as much as they want about challenge flags or use of time outs. With McDermott the Bills have a defensive mind that changes the game for the opponent every week. He is an A+ in terms of scheme and preparation and he has the ability to be the CEO of the organization and keep everyone focused. He won't win CoY this year and he doesn't need to. I hope he stays fifteen years. Great Post. I think with Mcd is that if he sticks with is mantra he will be continuously evaluating himself and his weaknesses. He should always be looking to evolve as a coach. Timeouts is a great example. The challenge issue doesn’t bother me really. I don’t expect the refs to make the right call even when the video evidence shows otherwise. To me it’s become a crapshoot. He’s made good challenges and still lost. He is going no where for a long time. I guess to yardbarker or some low rate writer he now off the hot seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, ganesh said: Everything is tied with the growth of Josh Allen. If Allen succeeds McDermott will too and both will remain here for a long time. Every sign points to that success. Both of them work hard and committed to the process. I don't think Allen will flop at all. However, if he did for any reason, I'd be 100% content with this coaching staff and FO getting another crack at the QB position in the draft. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Turning the roster over and making the playoffs 2 of his first 3 years is definitely a great start to being one of the leagues best HCs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 I think his timeout to spot the offensive set is used up. It is extremely predictable now. I'm guessing it won't be long that opposing offenses will predict it and come out in some set and after the timeout, change the play, or he doesn't take the timeout, audible out of the original set into something they want to do. Last night it was extremely predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, sherpa said: I think his timeout to spot the offensive set is used up. It is extremely predictable now. I'm guessing it won't be long that opposing offenses will predict it and come out in some set and after the timeout, change the play, or he doesn't take the timeout, audible out of the original set into something they want to do. Last night it was extremely predictable. Yet, it worked. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 10 - 4 just cannot argue with that. I think he's got better aswell. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimKellyTryouts Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 The fact that he dragged Rex's scraps into playoffs year one (yes poor metrics and luck aside) as well as returning back merely two years later (with two weeks left) with a completely revamped roster is making me pinch myself 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, sherpa said: I think his timeout to spot the offensive set is used up. It is extremely predictable now. I'm guessing it won't be long that opposing offenses will predict it and come out in some set and after the timeout, change the play, or he doesn't take the timeout, audible out of the original set into something they want to do. Last night it was extremely predictable. maybe he is fine with that too. Maybe he does it so they do change their set because he doesn’t like it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 We need to win a Superbowl before he claps out 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 People will point to his ultra-conservatism as to why they don't put McDermott amongst the elite. Remember how conservative Marv Levy was his first three years as HC here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, njbuff said: People will point to his ultra-conservatism as to why they don't put McDermott amongst the elite. Remember how conservative Marv Levy was his first three years as HC here? The 4th down that he went for showed the development mcd preaches. At least I thought so. First year he doesn't go for that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 27 minutes ago, sherpa said: I think his timeout to spot the offensive set is used up. It is extremely predictable now. I'm guessing it won't be long that opposing offenses will predict it and come out in some set and after the timeout, change the play, or he doesn't take the timeout, audible out of the original set into something they want to do. Last night it was extremely predictable. Amazing how not outsmarting yourself actually works most of the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, london_bills said: The 4th down that he went for showed the development mcd preaches. At least I thought so. First year he doesn't go for that. Same with the play call to Kroft. Who didnt expect a run there and a FG attempt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: maybe he is fine with that too. Maybe he does it so they do change their set because he doesn’t like it. McD with that 3 diminsional chess 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Is it me or do a lot of good NFL coaches come from small school colleges. I know Williams and Mary alone has three this year with Tomlin, McD and Quinn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 58 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said: I really like him, so far BUT...... We need at least one playoff win this year and a good second game where we lose because they are the better team talent wise. Then you can start talking about being in the top third of the league. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 He's better than I thought he would be. I still question his personnel choices. Playing Peterman, cutting McCoy, and several others stand out. Time management is not great but getting better. Penalties have been an issue that has improved of late. I feel like the defense is more aggressive the past month or so. I don't know if that is because Frazier is more aggressive or McD has told Frazier to be more aggressive. Either way I like how the D is dictating play more and not just sitting back and waiting for the game to come to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, ganesh said: Everything is tied with the growth of Josh Allen. If Allen succeeds McDermott will too and both will remain here for a long time. Every sign points to that success. Both of them work hard and committed to the process. I’m actually starting to not think this is the case. If McD is such a great coach (which I think he is), I think you can start over at QB and not sacrifice the entire regime. The cap and salary structure for rookies makes this even more possible. Not that I think Allen won’t succeed, I think he will, but at this point I think McD is really proving he’s good enough to detach from the fate of the QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, dubs said: I’m actually starting to not think this is the case. If McD is such a great coach (which I think he is), I think you can start over at QB and not sacrifice the entire regime. The cap and salary structure for rookies makes this even more possible. Not that I think Allen won’t succeed, I think he will, but at this point I think McD is really proving he’s good enough to detach from the fate of the QB. I agree with this. If Allen doesn't pan out its nonsensical to start afresh with everything Edited December 17, 2019 by london_bills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 39 minutes ago, njbuff said: People will point to his ultra-conservatism as to why they don't put McDermott amongst the elite. Remember how conservative Marv Levy was his first three years as HC here? Going for it on 4th and 6 was not conservative. I think we play really, really good complimentary football and the offensive output (namely, scoring) is a little lower than it could be because of that approach. But it’s winning games. And a lot of them. We have a QB who can bring a team from behind and an offense that can grind a clock down. Sometimes that holitistic approach is characterized as conservatism, but I think they’re different things. 11 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: He's better than I thought he would be. I still question his personnel choices. Playing Peterman, cutting McCoy, and several others stand out. Time management is not great but getting better. Penalties have been an issue that has improved of late. I feel like the defense is more aggressive the past month or so. I don't know if that is because Frazier is more aggressive or McD has told Frazier to be more aggressive. Either way I like how the D is dictating play more and not just sitting back and waiting for the game to come to them. agree on peterman, appreciated McCoy but don’t miss him a bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 As a non-gameday coach, I give him a A++. He's performed miracles in changing the Bills culture from losers to winners. Let me say that again: he's performed miracles in changing the Bills culture from losers to winners. He's done an above average B+ job during the week in preparing for an opponent. On gameday, I score him a B grade. He's just OK with timeouts and challenges etc. He's no Bill Belichick on gameday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artful Dodger Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 He's a plus two win coach. If the average coach would go 8-8, McDermott will coach a team with equivalent talent to 10-6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Your title and your post don't seem to be the same thing. He's improving but you can't be elite until you've won something..........qualifying for a "wildcard berth" is a pretty low bar for elite. The next step in the climb is not falling to 0-6 versus Belichick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Flip Johnson said: One thing that has become clear over the last three years - Sean McDermott is a top end NFL coach. He won't be in that top group until he wins a playoff game.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiva Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 His conservativeness, time management and challenges have to improve to reach the upper echelon of coaching and he must continue winning obvs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 He's great for Xs and Os on defense , but he also gets credit for the culture change in Buffalo. Players care about each other and the team. They play better because they're playing for a cause. Daboll is good with Xs and Os on offense, though I don't agree with everything he does. Josh Allen is developing. As he continues to develop and mature, he's going to make Daboll look better as a coordinator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Jauron 2.0 according to some fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 One of the more respectable talking NFL heads, Pat Kirwan, today said he belongs in the COY discussion. Loves the way he's building the team from the ground up. Loves the way he motivates and encourages. Said he's done what seven other coaches before him have been unable to do. Two playoff spots in three years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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