Tell us your favorite Ref moment today...

[Virgil]

1 hour ago, r00tabaga said:

I'll start. I loved the obvious non TD catch called a good catch.

Right in front of him. 

 

 

 

Oh no, it's better than that.  The back judge called him with the play right in front of him.  The line judge ran in from 15 yards down field, obstructed by the players, and over-rode him adamantly saying he was in. 

 

That guy can kick rocks.  He's not cashing Jerry's check tomorrow.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

The Hughes roughness penalty was terrible.

They only showed one replay of the hands to the face that nullified the interception. From what I saw that was a terrible call. The non-catch TD was weird, I think the guy got caught up into whether he had control or not and just forgot about the second foot. It was rather obvious.

And lastly, the late spot and challenge were bad. Usually these guys are amazingly good at spotting the ball but they missed that one by a yard. The replay looked convincing enough.

Credit them for not blowing dead the fumbled exchange on 4th and 1.

 

[BuffaloBill963]

24 minutes ago, r00tabaga said:

TBD of course

 

; )

Twitter sniffed this one out pretty easily.

There were numerous times that went above and beyond a normal week's game.

 

I have more issue with the calls that were NOT made today. And that says a lot because the ones that were called we're horribly one sided.  Forget the stat differential. 

People don’t understand how good these corrupt pieces of trash are at calling incredibly one sided games while still keeping the penalty stats close at a cursory glance and usually even after more thorough investigation. Timing of the calls is huge and it’s hard to qualify and quantify the impact in a neat little one sentence summary. 

 

The nfl is highly scripted and just a little objective analysis should convince anyone of this.

Edited November 29, 2019 by BuffaloBill963

[Sig1Hunter]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Was that Nantz who was calling the game like an obvious Cowboy homer - said "Say it's not So!" on the Star INT, said "yea, he missed it!" on a Haushka missed kick?

No that was Emmitt 

[GoBills808]

2 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

that was terrible. To be 100% fair, the closer ref (back judge i think) got the call right from the start. No clue whatsoever what the other ref was looking at that called it a TD. The second foot came down entirely in the white.

It ain’t just that, I don’t think he even came down with it after he hit the ground. To rule that a TD on the field was awful 

[Teddy KGB]

1 hour ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

I'm glad this topic isn't going unchecked just because the Bills won. Officiating is a real problem and there needs to be some accountability. 

 

Check this ? out.    Diff sport same terrible referees 

 

 

[Livinginthepast]

Yes the officiating in the NFL is by and large poor and they have bad games, but this game was horrendous. One of the most bias officiating jobs, I've ever seen. Its like Jerry Jones had a suitcase of cash delivered before the game to the Refs lockerroom . There weren't just 2-3 bad calls but at least 5-6 really bad calls and a couple of bad no calls. The Jerry Hughes penalty on Prescott was utterly ridiculous but the topper was the NON Dallas TD. Not even close!! To add icing on the officiating's cake of excrement was the Bills challenge of the terrible spot near the end of the game. Every replay showed Gore landing with no knee down on the 32 yard line. Yet even after replay review the ref somehow marked him back at the 33?? It didn't matter by that stage but what the hell!!!

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The DB never initiates contact. That isn't PI. I thought the refs were absolute garbage today. And I think it went against us more than it went for us but I don't think there was a conspiracy to make us lose. 

If you initiate contact as DB without turning your head around it’s 100% always PI and he absolutely does.

 

knox has a right to try to make the catch, and contact from DB prevents it. As his head never turned toward the ball it’s 100% always PI

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

How about when they refused to overturn the obvious 3rd down conversion by Gore at the end or the game? It was clear as day.  So petty. 
 

Also, how do the Bills get 3 illegal contact calls and the Cowboys get none? I guarantee you those cowboys defenders were just as “handsy “ as our guys.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

How about when they refused to overturn the obvious 3rd down conversion by Gore at the end or the game? It was clear as day.  So petty. 
 

Also, how do the Bills get 3 illegal contact calls and the Cowboys get none? I guarantee you those cowboys defenders were just as “handsy “ as our guys.

It was very suspect that they called White for two early holding calls on Cooper and then they suddenly realized he’s an All-Pro and had to back off lmao

[CoudyBills]

2 hours ago, section122 said:

 

He obstructs the receiver without making a play on the ball.  That's pi imo.

 

I don't want to argue minutia though on such a great day so I will bow out here. Go Bills!  

Not in your opinion, it's in the rulebook.

[NewEra]

And people really think that these are human error 100% of the time. 
 

I get it.  It’s a VERY hard job. It’s a job that can be made easier by adding more officials in the booth with monitors.  So, if it can be fixed so easily, why don’t they fix it you ask?  Because then it’ll be fixed and the NFL won’t be able to pull as many strings.  
 

the ref that overruled the back judge on the Dallas (incomplete) td pass had to have had an agenda.  There’s just no way anyone could think that he got 2 feet in bounds if they had been watching the play.  If he wasn’t watching the play.......how could he over rule another ref?  Because he had an agenda, regardless of what he saw. Had to have been.  No way anyone sees a TD there

[GoBills808]

I also greatly enjoyed PF on Hughes for making a tackle on Prescott going headfirst and no call for two guys hitting Allen after he slides and gives himself up

[Formerly Allan in MD]

The Cowboy "touchdown" catch that was overruled. 

[BuffaloSol]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

My favourite moment was the PI called on Dallas that gave us a 1st down where our receiver jumped into the guy. In fact I didn't think either of the PI calls we got were PI. There was a long list of Cowboys friendly incorrect calls too. 

 

I get why people think they were corrupt. It did feel like that. I'd guess they are just absolute rubbish though.  

I like that they let "everyone" even the really special people post on the board.

[Meatloaf63]

2 hours ago, thebug said:

And then we got called on a similar play. 

Not even close, Zack didn’t slide...

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Non they suck !

 

 

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, 1ManRaid said:

Emmitt Smith was guest spotting with them, I'm sure you can excuse Emmitt's bias and lack of journalistic professionalism considering the situation.

 

I've never heard a commentator mock a kicker for missing a field goal on a live broadcast. Total bush league move.

[RyanC883]

3 hours ago, ILBillsfan said:

The 

Blind ref that called the Cowboys touchdown that was overturned.   clear as day his second foot was OOB by a lot

 

that was a terrible call.  made worse by the fact he overruled the ref who was closer and correctly called the WR out of bounds. 

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

And people really think that these are human error 100% of the time. 
 

I get it.  It’s a VERY hard job. It’s a job that can be made easier by adding more officials in the booth with monitors.  So, if it can be fixed so easily, why don’t they fix it you ask?  Because then it’ll be fixed and the NFL won’t be able to pull as many strings.  
 

the ref that overruled the back judge on the Dallas (incomplete) td pass had to have had an agenda.  There’s just no way anyone could think that he got 2 feet in bounds if they had been watching the play.  If he wasn’t watching the play.......how could he over rule another ref?  Because he had an agenda, regardless of what he saw. Had to have been.  No way anyone sees a TD there

 

that guy did appear to be lime 70 years old.  I think some of these guys don’t have the vision or cognitive skills to catch the calls given the fast nature of the game.  Not that every 70 would lack those skills, but you’d think they would test them or put more refs.  Luckily instant replay saves that disaster call. 

[buffaloboyinATL]

3 hours ago, r00tabaga said:

 

Most obvious fix I've ever seen.  EVER.

Anyone who says otherwise wasn’t paying attention or is in denial. Thank God we were THAT much better.  

[Sig1Hunter]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

And people really think that these are human error 100% of the time. 
 

I get it.  It’s a VERY hard job. It’s a job that can be made easier by adding more officials in the booth with monitors.  So, if it can be fixed so easily, why don’t they fix it you ask?  Because then it’ll be fixed and the NFL won’t be able to pull as many strings.  
 

the ref that overruled the back judge on the Dallas (incomplete) td pass had to have had an agenda.  There’s just no way anyone could think that he got 2 feet in bounds if they had been watching the play.  If he wasn’t watching the play.......how could he over rule another ref?  Because he had an agenda, regardless of what he saw. Had to have been.  No way anyone sees a TD there

So, you believe that he saw the second foot land out of bounds, but called a touchdown anyway based upon an agenda? Under this premise, I’m guessing that this official had no idea that all scoring plays are automatically reviewed? 
 

Why would he call the TD if he *knew* it wasn’t, knowing the play would be reviewed? It’s much more likely that he thought it was a borderline play, and if it was called a TD, it would be reviewed versus if it was called incomplete it would force a coach to throw a flag. He made a bad call. Refs need to be better - much better. But, I tend to not believe in the “fix is in” scenario. 

[billsbackto81]

God there were so many to choose from.

 

Hands on Cooper by Tre (ticky tack) though Gilmore was allowed to mug him to death on Sunday.

No call on Josh (roughing the passer while sliding)

Hands to the face negating the TO.  Phillips I believe? Hand never went above the players neck. BS call to keep Dallas' drive alive.

Unsportsmanlike on Hughes, though that one was borderline.

The one legged TD that never should of needed reviewing.

The Gore 1st down they called short, even after clear review proved otherwise.

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

4 hours ago, fansince88 said:

How about no flag when 2 players hit Allen after he slid. One when he was stopped.

And led with helmet.

[Bookie Man]

Seriously what crew was that? All my family members couldn't believe how bad the officiating was. I prefaced the game telling them the calls were going to be in Dallas' favor, due to the tripping calls last week. That the refs would "make it up to them". They all laughed and gave me crap. After the Hyde interception got reversed, they all thought I was some kind of genius lol. 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

If you initiate contact as DB without turning your head around it’s 100% always PI and he absolutely does.

 

knox has a right to try to make the catch, and contact from DB prevents it. As his head never turned toward the ball it’s 100% always PI

 

I think Knox initiated the contact. He has a right to try catch the ball but he tries to move through the DB to do so. If the DB moves into him I agree it is PI. That is not what I saw. 

[LABILLBACKER]

4 hours ago, r00tabaga said:

I'll start. I loved the obvious non TD catch called a good catch.

Right in front of him. 

 

 

It was so adorable how the refs valiantly tried to comply with their recent memo entitled "keep the cowboys in this game"....the first 8 minutes were vintage work. The Bills had to beat 2 teams today and they did.

44 minutes ago, NC Book said:

Seriously what crew was that? All my family members couldn't believe how bad the officiating was. I prefaced the game telling them the calls were going to be in Dallas' favor, due to the tripping calls last week. That the refs would "make it up to them". They all laughed and gave me crap. After the Hyde interception got reversed, they all thought I was some kind of genius lol. 

I said the same thing to my family & friends and after that first 8 minutes I looked like Nostradamus. Eventually not even the refs could keep up with the Cowboys' ineptitude. The Bills are for real and the nation better get used to it.

[GunnerBill]

57 minutes ago, NC Book said:

Seriously what crew was that? All my family members couldn't believe how bad the officiating was. I prefaced the game telling them the calls were going to be in Dallas' favor, due to the tripping calls last week. That the refs would "make it up to them". They all laughed and gave me crap. After the Hyde interception got reversed, they all thought I was some kind of genius lol. 

 

They were horrible. And look, in any sport at any level, the fancied teams, more fashionable teams.... the name teams... whatever phrase you want to use get the benefit of the doubt on officiating calls. It is just human nature and refs are (I think at least) all human. You expect and believe the guys in the star to be special so when you see a 50/50 call your sub conscious bias sees it in their favour. I think the Bills were victims of that last night and have been for many of the last 20 years. If the narrative around them changes to the point where the officials think "hey this is a darn good Buffalo team" then you will see them start to benefit a little from that. But as Bills fans seriously guys... we need to get away from this conspiracy theory thing. The refs aren't secretly getting together to say "we need to screw the Bills and make sure the Cowboys win." It just isn't happening that way.

[Kelly the Dog]

The Gore replay was the crazy one to me. It was 100% clear what happened. There were other egregious calls but they were still subjective POV types. That one was fact. 

[Spiderweb]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

My favourite moment was the PI called on Dallas that gave us a 1st down where our receiver jumped into the guy. In fact I didn't think either of the PI calls we got were PI. There was a long list of Cowboys friendly incorrect calls too. 

 

I get why people think they were corrupt. It did feel like that. I'd guess they are just absolute rubbish though.  

Make up calls for garbage call against the Bills earlier.

[Spiderweb]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The DB never initiates contact. That isn't PI. I thought the refs were absolute garbage today. And I think it went against us more than it went for us but I don't think there was a conspiracy to make us lose. 

 

You should be an NFL Official. You already possess the first requirement, that being of poor eyesight. Clear PI by rule on play to Knox. Jeez....

[BRH]

How about when they had Gene Steratore on the broadcast and he declared “they’re letting them play and that’s a good thing?”  This was right after the two illegal contact calls on Tre. Not only were they in the bag for Dallas, they were trying to gaslight the audience about it.  Egregious.  

[Artem Lipatov]

Many times before I read complaints about referees here. I thought it's just fans whinning.

But this game against Cowboys had absolutely one-sided officiating. Referees did everything possible to kill our team and give a victory to Dallas.  When umpair proclaimed the foul cancelling INT his face distorted, he felt he spoke full sh*t.

[nucci]

Penalty on Hughes was brutal and Gore had a first down at the end.

[ganesh]

9 hours ago, section122 said:

 

I disagree with the rest of your post but this part the most strongly.  Defender never turned his head around and impeded Knox's attempt at a catch.  Clear pi by rule.

 

Agree...By not turning his head, the DB was not in a position to play the ball. By rule, any attempt by a DB to tackle the WR in such a circumstance is PI

[billsbackto81]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think Knox initiated the contact. He has a right to try catch the ball but he tries to move through the DB to do so. If the DB moves into him I agree it is PI. That is not what I saw. 

True but if we're thinking of the same play the DB never looked back for the ball. That'll draw the flag every time.

[Chandemonium]

Most of the Bills game calls have been mentioned, so I’ll throw in the two point conversion attempt that was initially called good in the saints falcons game where the receiver so obviously fumbled at the 1 it looked like he was throwing the ball at the pylon. 

[Buddo]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They were horrible. And look, in any sport at any level, the fancied teams, more fashionable teams.... the name teams... whatever phrase you want to use get the benefit of the doubt on officiating calls. It is just human nature and refs are (I think at least) all human. You expect and believe the guys in the star to be special so when you see a 50/50 call your sub conscious bias sees it in their favour. I think the Bills were victims of that last night and have been for many of the last 20 years. If the narrative around them changes to the point where the officials think "hey this is a darn good Buffalo team" then you will see them start to benefit a little from that. But as Bills fans seriously guys... we need to get away from this conspiracy theory thing. The refs aren't secretly getting together to say "we need to screw the Bills and make sure the Cowboys win." It just isn't happening that way.

 

Good viewpoint, and probably largely accurate. Where there is an element of 'fail', is in the last sentence or two. If it read 'we need to screw Hughes' and then 'it just is happening that way' you would be spot on.

 

Jerry probably won't get another holding call in his career - unless it's against him. Because he had more attitude than most, even before the blow up with the zebra in the tunnel, he used to cop some very dubious calls, now, the only stuff being called, is against him. I think this should be as clear as day, tbh.

 

The problem I have with that, is that if the zebras are going to act like that against a player, it's a simple extension of the principle, that they can act like that against a team. I don't, however think they are out to shaft a particular team i.e. the Bills, but rather that there may be some who would be quite prepared to try and influence individual games.

[entropyrules]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They were horrible. And look, in any sport at any level, the fancied teams, more fashionable teams.... the name teams... whatever phrase you want to use get the benefit of the doubt on officiating calls. It is just human nature and refs are (I think at least) all human. You expect and believe the guys in the star to be special so when you see a 50/50 call your sub conscious bias sees it in their favour. I think the Bills were victims of that last night and have been for many of the last 20 years. If the narrative around them changes to the point where the officials think "hey this is a darn good Buffalo team" then you will see them start to benefit a little from that. But as Bills fans seriously guys... we need to get away from this conspiracy theory thing. The refs aren't secretly getting together to say "we need to screw the Bills and make sure the Cowboys win." It just isn't happening that way.

Yep.."confirmation bias"

[RaoulDuke79]

8 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Check this ? out.    Diff sport same terrible referees 

 

 

Terrible 

[Negan]

Bill Vinovich head ref yesterday, ironically the same ref that didnt call pass interference in the NFC championship game last year to help pave the way for Rams to go to the Super Bowl.

 

He's as crooked as they come 

Edited November 29, 2019 by Negan