SectionC3 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 1 hour ago, StHustle said: Wow. I know Valentino Shine Sr.'s son very well. Craziness. As far as Bills and Sabres players paying for escorts...EVERY PRO TEAM HAS THIS ISSUE. Its not a big deal as some of you think. Human trafficking is a big deal. The pegulas will not tolerate this nonsense, and I deeply respect them for it. Whoever is involved in this is gone. As they well should be. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, DC Tom said: I'm a little less insulated from it than most. It's...not uncommon. Disgustingly not uncommon. Slavery isn't dead. Yes very common in places like California and NY. Also in border states. A lot of what the government calls trafficking is not slavery though. The term is being abused and it is a shame as real trafficking of slavery is losing its shock factor. And of coarse politicians that actually use sex slaves can murder everyone and get away with it. Edited September 14, 2019 by formerlyofCtown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: I’m laughing cuz I’m scared crapless this may happen? Well, the date mentioned in the article is 2015, and there are only what, only 4 or 5 players on the team from before 2017? 21 minutes ago, wppete said: Please tell me they are former players! If the events took place in 2015 or 2016, seems most likely 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Well, the date mentioned in the article is 2015, and there are only what, only 4 or 5 players on the team from before 2017? If the events took place in 2015 or 2016, seems most likely That was the last date I saw in the article though it doesn't say that it was at that point that she stopped. But she would of been in her late 40's and addicted to drugs so maybe not the current team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter McGavin Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 36 minutes ago, wppete said: Please tell me they are former players! They should be unless we have players with crack ***** grandma fetishes. Kellen Winslow anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 59 minutes ago, hemma said: That’s what I thought, at least it seemed to be that way a few years ago when 60 Minutes (as I recall) went into some detail on the trail from Eastern to Western Europe and from rural Thailand to the to the cities and ‘sex tourist’ trade. Organized Kidnapping + pimping, which seems easily a couple levels worse. IMO .. Using as it is in that article weakens the term. Totally agree. Same thing with the word rape...........It's so stupid to conflate things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 (edited) Why is the title of this thread as if its been proven there were Sabres and Bills players involved in this? No offense, but with no evidence other than the word of an admitted crackhead thats almost worse than having no evidence... I'd take this with the largest grain of salt ever made Edited September 14, 2019 by matter2003 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 27 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Human trafficking is a big deal. The pegulas will not tolerate this nonsense, and I deeply respect them for it. Whoever is involved in this is gone. As they well should be. This isn't human trafficking. It's prostitution. 2 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Why is the title of this thread as if its been proven there were Sabres and Bills players involved in this? No offense, but with no evidence other than the word of an admitted crackhead thats almost worse than having no evidence... I'd take this with the largest grain of salt ever made Saying they were "involved" seems to imply they were involved in keeping her a prostitute, but what she claims is that they were clients. Big big difference there which makes for a misleading article and post by the OP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: This isn't human trafficking. It's prostitution. Saying they were "involved" seems to imply they were involved in keeping her a prostitute, but what she claims is that they were clients. Big big difference there which makes for a misleading article and post by the OP And again...its her claim...i could claim i am a billionaire but that doesn't make it true. Its an utter disgrace that simply saying something these days makes it true with absolutely no evidence to back it up and reporters will try and make it sound like its all true without bothering to even investigate further...ss if a crackheads word is the gold standard for evidence...this article is an embarrassment to good reporting the way it is written and should never have been published. Edited September 14, 2019 by matter2003 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Rocket94 said: That explains his disappearance...dirty dog! Underground connection! lol! So technically, he still works for the Bills! Underground... Black market.... Connect the dots lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 29 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: This isn't human trafficking. It's prostitution. Saying they were "involved" seems to imply they were involved in keeping her a prostitute, but what she claims is that they were clients. Big big difference there which makes for a misleading article and post by the OP It is human trafficking. Don’t confuse it with smuggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 57 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Human trafficking is a big deal. The pegulas will not tolerate this nonsense, and I deeply respect them for it. Whoever is involved in this is gone. As they well should be. Umm...ordering an escort is not human trafficking That's like calling a weed smoker a drug trafficker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 Just now, StHustle said: Umm...ordering an escort is not human trafficking That's like calling a weed smoker a drug trafficker See the prior post. Those who paid for her services supported human trafficking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 Guess we can delete the I’d rather be Buffalo and have zero rings thread. I don’t like cheering for bad guys but the NFL is full of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 Ding this hard to believe.. money grab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 14 minutes ago, Comebackkid said: Underground... Black market.... Connect the dots lol He sure has been quiet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 4 hours ago, The Wiz said: Roger Goodell : "in light of recent news, we have placed the entire Buffalo bills team on the commissioners exempt list until we are able to identify if any of the current players are actually involved. Go Pats!" this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 1 minute ago, SectionC3 said: See the prior post. Those who paid for her services supported human trafficking. Yeah but intentions and knowledge of a situation count. Virtually all escorts list their services like they're independent. How can you hold someone accountable for that? They should receive the same punishment as anyone else who is caught paying for an escort. Again in comparison...if player 'John Doe' smokes weed then he is buying it from a criminal (assuming he purchased illegally). If the money trail comes to show that Al Queda was benefiting from the marijuana trafficking should John Doe now be treated as if he is supporting terrorism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downunderbill Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 2 hours ago, StHustle said: Yes Selling drugs = drug trafficker Selling people = human trafficker or sex trafficker Selling drugs = drug dealer. Wouldn't a drug trafficker be the guy or group that brings a quantity of drugs into the country or state? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: Perfect - just perfect!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 My guess is it had to be sometime around 2001 and 2009? Any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 (edited) The Buffalo News, I think, has an axe to grind with the Pegulas. It has appeared they have had run ins and fall outs on a variety of issues with reporters and other things. The BN has exposed things about them they didn't like, such as their land purchases near the arena. Also, thought I read that the Pegulas stopped hiring the BN to do game day program printing, or something of that sort, I'm not positive. But, there should be some reservations on the validity on this topic, as the BN is solely reporting on this so far. This women's date implications that supposedly occured at the Marriott seem vague. But, again maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought I read somewhere that Evander Kane lived there in a suite during his time in Buffalo. Edited September 14, 2019 by I am the egg man 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, SectionC3 said: See the prior post. Those who paid for her services supported human trafficking. And so do people who drink coffee or eat chocolate. This is nonsense. There's no reason to exaggerate the point here. Bills players involved in prostitution, ok sure. Bills players involved in human trafficking, yea not unless OJ found a new hobby. Edited September 14, 2019 by BullBuchanan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 4 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: 100 percent. I think it's a little unrealistic to expect a John to do a thorough background check on a prostitute. It's not the kind of decision you spend weeks contemplating. Sorry...I know you are being serious... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 This thread is another one trying to crap on the 1-0 Bills. All garbage, "sex" trafficking sorry not 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 1 hour ago, downunderbill said: Selling drugs = drug dealer. Wouldn't a drug trafficker be the guy or group that brings a quantity of drugs into the country or state? Yes. Who took the traffic out of trafficking?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Well, the date mentioned in the article is 2015, and there are only what, only 4 or 5 players on the team from before 2017? If the events took place in 2015 or 2016, seems most likely Lol if its Gilmore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 5 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: Jmo but nothing to see here. The oldest current Bill is Gore, right? He is 36 with pockets full of money. How many of us believe that he would spend it on a 49 year old heroin using grand mother? Now, do ya think that young players like Josh Allen are going for it LOL? I hope that the prosecutor is successful in putting a pimp in jail, but my guess is that any Bills involvement (if it happened) was decades ago. You’re right it would almost be as stupid as a 70 year old billionaire going to an Asian Massage parlor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 if the sex worker in question was not underage I don't see that the story has legs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Tatonka68 said: My guess is it had to be sometime around 2001 and 2009? Any ideas? Jerry Ostroski just had that look in his eyes; In all seriousness, I fully understand that sex trafficking is a serious deal, but the notion that your average John is somehow strongly involved in the major offense strikes me as a bit ludicrous. I'm quite sure the woman involved didn't show up telling her life story. Just sayin... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 Every Buffalo Bills player with the exception of about 4 or 5 players is new to the team since January 2017 when McDermott was hired. My guess is the majority of these incidents tools place before 2015 when this prostitute was punched by the pimp in question. So if the John was actually a Bills player, I doubt that they are still on the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 (edited) Name the names or no story. Was there a second source? If true name the names and address it. If not, what is the objective of the story? Edited September 14, 2019 by Just Joshin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 5 hours ago, chris heff said: You’re right it would almost be as stupid as a 70 year old billionaire going to an Asian Massage parlor. Call me crazy but I think that a billionaire getting a "rub" in a massage parlor might be a bit more safe than sex with a heroin shooting prostitute. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 8 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: This isn't human trafficking. It's prostitution. Saying they were "involved" seems to imply they were involved in keeping her a prostitute, but what she claims is that they were clients. Big big difference there which makes for a misleading article and post by the OP I'll confess something. I lived overseas for a while in my youth. When I did, I visited red light districts. It was a victimless crime. I got what I wanted, the girl got what she wanted, everyone was happy. But the more I learned - from reading and from the young ladies themselves - the more I understood how I was feeding a corrupt, immoral system. I had to stop. Human trafficking is evil. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 12 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: There is a thread about sex trafficking of humans over at PPP. It's no short thread and delves fairly deep into the subject that is more prevalent than most of us would believe. It has Jeffrey Epstein in its title. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 14 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 11 hours ago, 32ABBA said: This guy? https://wblk.com/adri-vs-go-getta-of-the-week-shine-valentino/ No, wrong guy!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 14 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said: https://buffalonews.com/2019/09/13/prosecutor-in-sex-trafficking-case-its-happening-here/ I wonder who? I wonder if it is current or past players? I wonder if it’s or not true? I wonder if names will come out...... Can anyone say, 90s Bills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, wppete said: Please tell me they are former players! There aren't many Bills left from even just 5 years ago. And at worst, they just hire Bobby Kraft's lawyers. Edit: Hughes (7th season), Alexander (4th) and Lawson (4th) are the only guys who were with the Bills prior to the current regime. Edited September 14, 2019 by Doc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 (edited) Harbor center Marriott opened in Nov 2014 " but that she did sometimes meet "professional athletes" at the Marriott Harborcenter hotel.'' Edited September 14, 2019 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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