Rocket94 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 1 minute ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: You think someone will sign him now? He would need to agree to agree to a psychological work up for me to go anywhere near him. And then his contract would be week by week. I would not give him anything guaranteed. Psychological evaluations are easy to beat. Even though it may cause Brown great discomfort, all he has to do is tell them what they want to hear! Who knows what that is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, VADC Bills said: Correct, but now that they are together they make a very interesting braintrust. Keep in mind Mayock has never held a position in the GM chain of command. I liked his reporting but not impressed with what I have seen so far. Go Bills!!! I'm impressed that he was smart enough not to give AB a big signing bonus in his contract and have the guaranteed salary not vest until he played a game. Made it easy and cheap to cut him. Mayock protected his employer from that risk. He also was very patient during the helmet thing. He also got to a point where he expected AB to put aside the distractions and get to work. I'm very impressed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayray808 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Seahawks would probably attempt to bring him in, confident they can "control" the distractions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Now that chef will never see his money or equipment! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 AB makes Chad Johnson and T.O. look like choir boys. What a friggin headcase and meltdown. Props to the Steelers for dealing with this idiot for so long. If he never plays a snap again will he make the HOF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...doubt he would even want to entertain such a distraction.....sure he's gambled on others, but this clown is WAY over the top IMO....he's destined for a suspension under the personal conduct policy for physically threatening Mayock.....bet The Commish will be REAL happy to see him back in his office after Helmetgate..... It would be poor judgment to dump AB now, and Rosenhaus is too intelligent for that mistake. At least IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 32 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Someone mentioned Pete Carroll up thread and I agree with that. Could see him ending up in Seattle. ...Dr Ruth's houseboy is better......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Chemical said: Gonna have to work harder for that. AB is one of the best players in the league. You’re not even top 10% of posters on here. Teef is a top 10% from my perspective. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Personnel evaluation in the NFL is hard because there are humans involved ? The on field performance is a significant part of the equation, but just part of the equation and maybe not even the majority of the evaluation. When the trade happened -- the pundits were saying the Steelers got ripped, now the same pundits are likely saying the Steelers are geniuses... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Nextmanup said: It would be poor judgment to dump AB now, and Rosenhaus is too intelligent for that mistake. Say more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 I've been thinking more about the Antonio Brown saga than the Bills facing the Jets week 1. What kind of crazy, messed up world are we in?! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: I don't think it matters because the team doesn't pay the agent, the player who hired him does, so I would think AB would still owe his agent his cut because his agent did his job negotiating the deal for him. The only way he wouldn't get paid is if he declined taking it now that he isn't getting paid, or if his client contract with Brown says he only gets paid if the contract is fulfilled (I can't see that because then agents would lose out if/when players get cut without completing the deal) No way the agent gets paid based on the total contract. Alot of it is imaginary money. They get paid based on what the player actually gets paid. With a nice lump sum coming out of the signing bonus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Real McCoy said: AB makes Chad Johnson and T.O. look like choir boys. What a friggin headcase and meltdown. Props to the Steelers for dealing with this idiot for so long. If he never plays a snap again will he make the HOF? Knowing how fickle the HOF voters are? No. At least for a long long time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...doubt he would even want to entertain such a distraction.....sure he's gambled on others, but this clown is WAY over the top IMO....he's destined for a suspension under the personal conduct policy for physically threatening Mayock.....bet The Commish will be REAL happy to see him back in his office after Helmetgate..... I don't know, BB has an ego too, and it's possible if he can get him for vet minimum with incentives, BB could then show the world again why he is the greatest by being able to reign in someone that others thought was impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rocket94 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: AB makes Chad Johnson and T.O. look like choir boys. What a friggin headcase and meltdown. Props to the Steelers for dealing with this idiot for so long. If he never plays a snap again will he make the HOF? All you had to do with TO and Johnson was tell that they were grounded...then they would shut up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 The change in AB's personality from the way he was coming out of college to how he is today makes me think one explanation could be brain injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Oh, by the way, to pick up where we left off awhile ago...I’m sorry, League, tell us again how you were making fun of us for not getting Brown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 11 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Geez did Mayock say something slightly negative about Kraft 5 years ago or something? There is at least one other GM who lost a top receiver after some antics recently. That was the Steelers GM. And he has experience. I wonder if there is a common thread there. That Steelers GM drafted him in the 6th round. Then, when he had to chose whether to pay Mike Wallace or save the money for Brow, he let Wallace walk an re-signed AB. AB was the best WR in the NFL during the length of the contract and the next. When AB got to be too much at the end of last season, that GM put him on the market, Mayock, knowing the freak show he was bidding for, put on display of total lack of control and embarrassment. Your response was typically poorly thought out and clumsily expressed. Your never ending fetish for Kraft remains your strength, so you've still go that going for you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, StHustle said: No way the agent gets paid based on the total contract. Alot of it is imaginary money. They get paid based on what the player actually gets paid. With a nice lump sum coming out of the signing bonus. But isn't an agent's contract based off of a percentage of the total contract? They may agree to take money paid at certain points of the deal, but I doubt they are contingent on the client having to fulfill it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 1 minute ago, yungmack said: The change in AB's personality from the way he was coming out of college to how he is today makes me think one explanation could be brain injury. Except he was like this in Pittsburgh for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 15 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: That's interesting. Gruden's looked like a train wreck since he got there. When he was a broadcaster I thought he was entertaining but that his coaching career was hyped all out of proportion with reality. He deserves credit for the Super Bowl win, but no one ever called Mike Ditka a great coach, and he won a Super Bowl, too. All in a great, bizarre tradition known as the Davis family Raiders. I agree Shaw. He may or not be a good coach, but he has no business running a team. I'm sure I'm forgetting things but a small list since he returned to the Raiders: 1.) Traded arguably the most dynamic defensive player in the league to get them picks & clear up cap space to rebuild the roster. -This is the dumbest move he made since returning...you start the rebuild with Mack as your centerpiece. 2.) Trading Cooper to Dallas for what was going to be a late 1st round pick. - Again keep a few of your good players to help the rebuild. It's not Cooper's fault he plays for the Raiders. With the Raiders 6 games, 22 rec. 280 yards 1 TD. With Dallas 10 games, 53 rec. 725 yards 6 TDs. Average per game with the Raiders - 3.6/46.6/.16, with Dallas - 5.3/72.5/.66 3.) Signing Nathan Peterman - I mean I'm sure he's a good guy and all, but everyone knows who Peterman the QB is. He'll impress the hell out of you in camp & pre-season, but once it's real...he's a CB's best friend. 4.) Traded for Antonio Brown and redoing his contract to give him more money - I thought he didn't have money to spend on a big contract? Just a year later he signs AB in what would become the biggest tire fire I've ever seen in the NFL and they haven't even got to game 1 yet.? 5.) Drafting Clelin Ferrell with the 4th pick in the draft. - Good player, but not at 4th overall. They could've had Josh Allen, who most people say is the best passer rusher in the draft. The man is a beast. They then could've used their 24th pick and an additional pick to move up into the teens and still got Ferrell. 6.) Caving over and over again to AB, even to the point that with all he did he wasn't released until AB asked for it. - Gruden comes across as spineless, even taking AB's side over Mayock's. It was rumored he was already close to losing the locker room last year after the Mack trade, this will probably add more fuel for the fire with some players. Gruden has shown over and over again why he shouldn't run a team. He had a decent/good core to build around with Mack, Cooper & Carr. Blew it up and probably kept the worst of the three. They're so much further away from just being respectable than they were when he arrived. As I said yesterday Gruden couldn't win a coin flip if you gave him a hundred tries. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 1 minute ago, yungmack said: The change in AB's personality from the way he was coming out of college to how he is today makes me think one explanation could be brain injury. The behavior he's demonstrated seems like some sort of personality disorder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Finkel Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Doc said: Now is the time for Goodell to suspend him for racial slurs and threatening violence. Have him arrested for taping the phone conversation with Gruden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, MJS said: I've been thinking more about the Antonio Brown saga than the Bills facing the Jets week 1. What kind of crazy, messed up world are we in?! Now during commercial breaks, we will be checking for Brown status updates! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-BillzeBubba Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 AB is either batsh#t crazy, or crazy like a fox .(or both ) clearly he wanted nothing to do with Oakland and his behavior was designed to make the Raiders regret signing him...but why? I'm guessing he wanted to play on a contender and that's NOT Oakland. IF New England gets in the mix then you can be pretty sure there's been a back channel discussion with AB.? .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VADC Bills Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: I'm impressed that he was smart enough not to give AB a big signing bonus in his contract and have the guaranteed salary not vest until he played a game. Made it easy and cheap to cut him. Mayock protected his employer from that risk. He also was very patient during the helmet thing. He also got to a point where he expected AB to put aside the distractions and get to work. I'm very impressed. I will add that this was somewhat of a low risk deal as well that he tried to pull off but to my original point you have to be consistently professional and say your piece behind closed doors. What other GM's have you seen do that on camera? Not as impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: That Steelers GM drafted him in the 6th round. Then, when he had to chose whether to pay Mike Wallace or save the money for Brow, he let Wallace walk an re-signed AB. AB was the best WR in the NFL during the length of the contract and the next. When AB got to be too much at the end of last season, that GM put him on the market, Mayock, knowing the freak show he was bidding for, put on display of total lack of control and embarrassment. Your response was typically poorly thought out and clumsily expressed. Your never ending fetish for Kraft remains your strength, so you've still go that going for you... I could of sworn you were in that old AB thread saying how all this offseason crap would become completely irrelevant when the season started and he'd light it up for the Raiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, MJS said: I've been thinking more about the Antonio Brown saga than the Bills facing the Jets week 1. What kind of crazy, messed up world are we in?! Today it's AB. Mere amusement. Starting tomorrow it will be a very different matter. Serious business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 ...with his NFL future looking bleak, I think he should hire Vince Young as his financial advisor to get by on his career earnings............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 36 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Or...they respect him as a coach. Do you think anyone on that Raiders has a lot of respect for Mayock in that position? I'm sure they view him as a lightweight. I bet a lot of the Raiders right now think Mayock totally blew this whole situation and now AB, their only offensive weapon (and hope) is gone. Good old WEO logic. With Belichick, players respect him as a coach, but AB went crazy because he couldn't respect Mayock as a GM. It's not at all on your boy Gruden now, is it? 9 minutes ago, K-9 said: Gonna be funny when DR sues AB for theft of services. Yeah but AB won't pay. Just now, Ray Finkel said: Have him arrested for taping the phone conversation with Gruden. I think that Gruden would have to agree to that. When he was still a Raider, I didn't think he would. Now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 9 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: It would be poor judgment to dump AB now, and Rosenhaus is too intelligent for that mistake. At least IMO. ...seriously?...even Waste Management said "no thanks" for THAT pickup................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 9 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: AB makes Chad Johnson and T.O. look like choir boys. What a friggin headcase and meltdown. Props to the Steelers for dealing with this idiot for so long. If he never plays a snap again will he make the HOF? Even bigger props to the Raiders for pulling the trigger on the cut. Brown fails to realize that his behavior in all this will damage his chances of getting signed anywhere, let alone a lucrative contract 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, BillsVet said: The behavior he's demonstrated seems like some sort of personality disorder. Have a look at Ryan Leaf's tweet from yesterday I think. He said AB doesn't want to play football anymore. Leaf knows because he went through the same thing and acted in the same manner. That's his take on this at least. It may be that, it may be more general personality disorder, hits to the head may be involved too. But AB is clearly not thinking clearly these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, Warcodered said: I could of sworn you were in that old AB thread saying how all this offseason crap would become completely irrelevant when the season started and he'd light it up for the Raiders. I said in November these threads might disappear. The assumption is that once he started playing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Just now, Doc said: Good old WEO logic. With Belichick, players respect him as a coach, but AB went crazy because he couldn't respect Mayock as a GM. It's not at all on your boy Gruden now, is it? Yeah but AB won't pay. I think that Gruden would have to agree to that. When he was still a Raider, I didn't think he would. Now... He will just have to get in line behind AB’s trainer and chef. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, x-BillzeBubba said: AB is either batsh#t crazy, or crazy like a fox .(or both ) clearly he wanted nothing to do with Oakland and his behavior was designed to make the Raiders regret signing him...but why? I'm guessing he wanted to play on a contender and that's NOT Oakland. IF New England gets in the mix then you can be pretty sure there's been a back channel discussion with AB.? .. There's a secret code between NFL owners. I have a feeling he never plays again like Kap in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, x-BillzeBubba said: AB is either batsh#t crazy, or crazy like a fox .(or both ) clearly he wanted nothing to do with Oakland and his behavior was designed to make the Raiders regret signing him...but why? I'm guessing he wanted to play on a contender and that's NOT Oakland. IF New England gets in the mix then you can be pretty sure there's been a back channel discussion with AB.? .. He's crazy. He just cost himself $30M, which he will never see again. If any team does sign him, it will likely be after week 1 so that they can pay him on a per-game basis. And not for $1M/game like he was making. And why did he want nothing to do with Oakland after agreeing to be traded there? The guy is just crazy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rocket94 said: It may be New England. Belicheck is good at neutralizing troubled players. Ab and JOsh gordon.....a match made in heaven.....troubled souls for sure. Good luck to the Pats (NOT) Edited September 7, 2019 by bigK14094 MIss spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 1 minute ago, buffalo2218 said: Even bigger props to the Raiders for pulling the trigger on the cut. Brown fails to realize that his behavior in all this will damage his chances of getting signed anywhere, let alone a lucrative contract I agree 1000% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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