Sig1Hunter Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said: Good for Elliott whatever the money it ends up. Curious to see how Cowboys handle Prescott, Cooper and others because in a few years Bills will be in similar scenario of re-signing players. I guess it could start next year to some degree with White, Dawkins, and Milano regarding possibly extending one or more before rookie deal expires. Because he can pound his chest as the “highest paid RB in the league”, which is what is really important to most of these self-absorbed types like Zeke. Edit: oops wrong quote. Meant to quote @Bills2ref Edited September 3, 2019 by Sig1Hunter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 42 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Not upset at this. Sammy Watkins got more per year in KC, and Zeke is 3 times the player he is, albeit at a different position. Should be interesting to see how they pay Dak and keep the oline together. Cooper is going to have to give them a hometown discount. Cooper might get passed by Gallup as WR1 due to injury and reliability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Zeke and his peeps right now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) Sure they have a hell of a line, but Zeke makes the team go. Cooper came in and added an element they didn't have, but teams had to focus on Zeke. Without that attention paid to Zeke, Cooper is not going to have nearly the input he had late last season. Dak is asking for more money than I think he's worth, way more. I think Jerry feels the same, but Dak is his QB and even average Qb's are getting paid a ton. Cooper hasn't been there long enough to prove he can take over the offense without Zeke's presence. I know RB are "devalued" but Zeke probably is top 3 in touches over the last 3 yrs(non-qb). He is Dallas' main weapon on offense. You don't just put in a JAG and expect a SB when you are set up that way. He would be smart to ask for a ton of guaranteed $ because of this. Jerry is in a tough spot( I don't feel for him). I think in this scenario, paying Zeke is the right thing to do. Next up would be Dak. Let Cooper play out the year and negotiate with him in the off-season. Tag him if you need to. Windows in the NFL shut quickly, and Dallas thinks they are built to win now. Not having Zeke really throws a wrench in the plan. JMO. Edited September 3, 2019 by Dopey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said: Not upset at this. Sammy Watkins got more per year in KC, and Zeke is 3 times the player he is, albeit at a different position. Should be interesting to see how they pay Dak and keep the oline together. Cooper is going to have to give them a hometown discount. Watkins is drastically overpaid for the player he is and what he brings...but with that said...the comparison isn't taking all things into account. The issue with RBs is....how much do you pay NOT for what you get, but rather for what you get over the possible/potential replacment. The best 'journeyman' RB is going to be closer in talent and production to a top RB....more so than the best 'journeyman WR' is going to be to a top WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 2 hours ago, FUTURIST said: The Cowboys overpaid, but good for Zeke. Anyone who pays BIG money for a RB is insane. Especially when they have very good QB and WR1 that they need to re-sign. Cowboys move a lot like the Redskins sometimes. Head scratching. If I were Jerry I'd have let my offer from a month ago stand and see what the new kid Pollard can do for me. With a great line and a passing attack to keep the D honest, there are lots of runners that can produce big numbers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Gonna suck when Dak comes off his rookie contract 2 hours ago, nucci said: If we go back to Thurman, would those here complaining about the money have given Thurman a big 2nd contract or let him leave? His first contract was for 4 years so he would have been a FA after the '91 season...since RBs are a dime a dozen and grow on trees....just wondering Would you also agree the NFL was much different in 1991? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 hour ago, billsfan_34 said: Gonna suck when Dak comes off his rookie contract Would you also agree the NFL was much different in 1991? Yes but i was trying to put it in present day..if this was Thurman and the Bills would you give him the big contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) 6 years / $90M works out to $15M a year. The same amount Indy is paying Jacoby Brissett (2 years / $30M) One of the top performing RB is getting paid the same as a bottom to low mid tier starting QB who until last week was a backup Edited September 3, 2019 by /dev/null Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Glad it’s another franchise trying to prove the rest of the league wrong and overspend on RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Meh. honestly dont care about other teams contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateHookerMD Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Not sure how they are gonna pay that O-line, Dak, Cooper... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 hour ago, nucci said: Yes but i was trying to put it in present day..if this was Thurman and the Bills would you give him the big contract? Present day- with the production Thurman gave, I may be inclined to give him a healthy contract that current market dictated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Never pay a RB. Never pay a RB. Never pay a RB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 18 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Never pay a RB. Never pay a RB. Never pay a RB Shady worked out for us, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Sunshower said: Shady worked out for us, no? A 4 year 34m contract and traded kiko for him... half his seasons under 1000 yards and half 4.0 or fewer ypc... i like shady and think we came out better paying him than kiko but I waffle on his time here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Then Cowboys fans wonder why they can't have success. In what world would it be ok to pay any RB that contract. ?? Jerrah is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 21 minutes ago, Sunshower said: Shady worked out for us, no? That is a bit of a loaded question. Yes he was productive for us..... Did his salary stop us from bringing in some other players that could help us even more? I dont know. I really just want to err on the side of mucho respect to what Shady gave....regardless of the contract. At the end of the day I would MUCH rather draft running backs and have them on cost control contracts. Look at how much work Beane has done and we STILL have over 90 million in next year's cap. If Singletary works out....we are that much closer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateHookerMD Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Goff getting 32 million/year. Cowboys gonna go broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 37 minutes ago, NoSaint said: A 4 year 34m contract and traded kiko for him... half his seasons under 1000 yards and half 4.0 or fewer ypc... i like shady and think we came out better paying him than kiko but I waffle on his time here I don’t believe in paying RBs any more, but in today’s NFL RBs are just as much pass catchers as rushers. You can’t judge shady solely on the rushing stats. He was one of our best pass catchers as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Jerruh lighting cigars with hunnos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Well, at least he'll have no problem paying his lawyer next time he ***** up. No one is worth that much $$. Nice job Jerruh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Zeke is 24 he will probably be productive for the rest of the contract which takes him through age 29. 15 million aaa seems fair for a top 5 RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: I don’t believe in paying RBs any more, but in today’s NFL RBs are just as much pass catchers as rushers. You can’t judge shady solely on the rushing stats. He was one of our best pass catchers as well. Total receiving yards tell similar stories. That we had bad pass catchers means he stood out among peers in buffalo but not in the wider world of running backs. 2018: 28th among backs 2017: 9th 2016: 14th 2015: 24th we paid him as a top 5 back. He played as a good back but more middle of the pack. That’s why he’s no longer playing on that contract. He wasn’t a flop but he wasn’t elite Edited September 4, 2019 by NoSaint 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 1 hour ago, billsfan89 said: Zeke is 24 he will probably be productive for the rest of the contract which takes him through age 29. 15 million aaa seems fair for a top 5 RB. As long as he's not suspended, which is a risk...a lengthy risk. Hope the Cowboys protected themselves for this. Zeke is most of their offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 So what is the consequence for Jones saying screw the cap, Im keeping my guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 5 hours ago, DCofNC said: So what is the consequence for Jones saying screw the cap, Im keeping my guys? The NFL's cap is a hard cap that the teams have to stay under at all times, and the salary floor is also a hard floor. Penalties for violating or circumventing the cap regulations include fines of up to $5 million for each violation, cancellation of contracts and/or loss of draft picks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salary_cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Gross 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PetermansRedemption Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: The fact that the GTD isn’t exactly listed makes me think Zeke’s agent isn’t too proud of that figure. 9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: How can these people say things like this after he just held out? Zeke did not sign away the rest of his time as a premier back at all. If he gets towards the middle-end of this contract and is outperforming he will simply hold out again. Edited September 4, 2019 by Bills2ref 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 I am sticking with it - The Cowboys will be the NFC representative in the Superbowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 The cap will continue to increase which means salaries will as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 11 hours ago, NoSaint said: Total receiving yards tell similar stories. That we had bad pass catchers means he stood out among peers in buffalo but not in the wider world of running backs. 2018: 28th among backs 2017: 9th 2016: 14th 2015: 24th we paid him as a top 5 back. He played as a good back but more middle of the pack. That’s why he’s no longer playing on that contract. He wasn’t a flop but he wasn’t elite That is fair. The only context I would add is that he was our WHOLE offense. In isolation, he looked average. That is fair. But, it is not like their was any offense around him. His production accounted for a greater percentage of our overall yards compared to other running backs in their respective offenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 19 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: All depends how you look at it. He wants more than gurley, and I think he’s worth more and is a better player than gurley. I think the next RB to be paid this much though won’t be until mccaffrey 19 hours ago, aristocrat said: it's worth it if he's on the field each week and putting up top numbers in the league. if he is suspended or falls of a cliff it isn't. I think Zeke was overpaid on his rookie contract, much less the one he just signed. Was a stupid draft pick at the time and is a stupid signing now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 39 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I am sticking with it - The Cowboys will be the NFC representative in the Superbowl. Interesting. I think they're a 9-7 team....bubble playoff team IMO. I like the Saints first. I think this is their year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 13 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Meh. honestly dont care about other teams contracts. ..will probably be Gordon's SD baseline....good luck............ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 11 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: I don’t believe in paying RBs any more, but in today’s NFL RBs are just as much pass catchers as rushers. You can’t judge shady solely on the rushing stats. He was one of our best pass catchers as well. McCoy finished better than 5th on the team in receiving yards once, and that was because we arguably had the worst group of receivers in the league. Even then, he still managed to finish 5th last year when that was still the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 12 hours ago, Sunshower said: Shady worked out for us, no? Did he Really? Were we contenders because of that RB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 A top 3 pick and $15 million per year on a RB. No thanks. Are they also going to pay Dak more than Goff? If so we should make a serious push for Amari Cooper in free agency next year. Because Dallas can't afford him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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