whatdrought Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 19 minutes ago, SoTier said: Oh, please! McDermott and Beane gave McCoy a big pay raise when they didn't have anybody else on the offense to give the fans hope that the Bills could be competitve. Allen's replaced him in that role, so McCoy was expendable. That's not "how the NFL football works" for teams that are truly interested in winning football games and try to amass as much talent as possible under the limits of the cap rather than maximizing profit by minimizing player salaries and paying lip-service to the building a football team that wins consistently. Beats the crap out of making the playoffs once every every twenty years. That's the Bills' MO. Well, that’s one wrong way of looking at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatszel Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 7 hours ago, John from Riverside said: You know as well as I do that it factored.....because we could not trade him. You think they didnt try to trade him? Seems to me if they ate some salary they would have been able to get a pick for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: At some point you need to get control of yourself. Comparing the previous Bills regimes to this one makes no sense but you do it over and over again. And the comments are about the Chiefs and not the Bills. Reid has built an asymmetric team that will fold in the playoffs like his teams have always done. How does Reid get this phenomenal reputation when he has had one team in like 20 years make it to the show and then lose? At some point you need to take off the blinders. McDermott and Beane have the same losing record over 32 games as Ryan and Whaley and Marrone and Whaley had 15 wins, 17 losses. McDermott and Beane have built an "asymmetric team" that isn't likely to even make the playoffs except in rare incidents when the moon, planet and stars all align perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BITE ME Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 8 hours ago, mykidsdad said: https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1168011282693414912?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet I'm happy for Shady. I wish him the best. He will probably have shot at SB, too. He had a shot at a Super Bowl in Buffalo too. Bills will win the 2020 Super Bowl before the Chiefs. Bills Number 1 Defense plus Bills Number 1 Rushing Offense = 2020 Super Bowl Champions. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 28 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: You should get your facts straight before you rant. That’s rich. Didn’t you say we would all be Russian slaves by the hand of Putin by now ? ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 It's gotta really suck to go though ota's and training camp with one team, and then in the 11th hr, go to a completely different team you probably don't know much about. Hope he does well there though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, SoTier said: At some point you need to take off the blinders. McDermott and Beane have the same losing record over 32 games as Ryan and Whaley and Marrone and Whaley had 15 wins, 17 losses. McDermott and Beane have built an "asymmetric team" that isn't likely to even make the playoffs except in rare incidents when the moon, planet and stars all align perfectly. Here is you in a nutshell. Anything other teams do is great, anything the Bills do is terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 His cut and reduction in Pay does not bode well for the position overall. The NFL has seriously devalued running backs and I think this trend will likely hold firm. I get it that Shady’s talent may have slipped, some, but he remains an elite talent. The Bills were overpaying for the position and it was time to move on. With that said, the chiefs, absent injury, are going to have a very scary offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 55 minutes ago, SoTier said: Oh, please! McDermott and Beane gave McCoy a big pay raise when they didn't have anybody else on the offense to give the fans hope that the Bills could be competitve. Allen's replaced him in that role, so McCoy was expendable. That's not "how the NFL football works" for teams that are truly interested in winning football games and try to amass as much talent as possible under the limits of the cap rather than maximizing profit by minimizing player salaries and paying lip-service to the building a football team that wins consistently. Beats the crap out of making the playoffs once every every twenty years. That's the Bills' MO. This is true, but most folks who participate here don't want to see or think about that. The wiling suspension of disbelief runs strong in these parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 7 hours ago, mykidsdad said: I think it was more about having touches for Singletary. I think Beane believes he is more than just a guy. He's the future. This. He feels the team will take a big step this year and wants his young core to develop together. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Just now, ScottLaw said: Yea. The Bills offense will go where Josh Allen goes.... unfortunately don't think they provided the 2nd year QB with the playmakers around him are lacking. They are counting on the offensive line and Josh to carry the offense.... I expect them to be ranked around 20th overall on offense and the team to be around .500. I think that's fair. Now if Allen really makes a jump and the OL turns out to be dominant, then I could see a top -12 finish. All in all I think that this offseason was about bolstering the OL and bringing the skill positions up from brutal to stable. With the WR talent available in FA and the 2020 draft (which looks to me like it'll be as good if not better than the 2014 WR group), next offseason should most certainly be about loading up at WR. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: All in all I think that this offseason was about bolstering the OL and bringing the skill positions up from brutal to stable. Well put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: This is true, but most folks who participate here don't want to see or think about that. The wiling suspension of disbelief runs strong in these parts. The willing belief to lump a team with a new owner coach and GM to 20 years ago defies any logical explanation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Great move for Shady and for Chiefs. Feels a little like when Jamal Charles got cut (ironically from Chiefs) and went to Denver. Still could play, but wasn’t a difference maker anymore. Reid understands his strengths, weaknesses, and psyche and should handle him well during the end of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Yea. The Bills offense will go where Josh Allen goes.... unfortunately don't think they provided the 2nd year QB with enough playmakers around him, unless Foster rebounds off a disappointing preseason and builds off last season. They are counting on the offensive line and Josh to carry the offense.... I expect them to be ranked around 20th overall on offense and the team to be around .500. Unfortunately I have to agree here. Beane DID appear make us better on offense (hope this is clearly the case), but what scares me is that there is no one on our offense that will consistently demand double coverage. No one that requires specific game planning for. But yes, this will be on Allen. Hoping he becomes the guy that defenses have to worry about. Or he is able to seriously elevate our WR’s. Or Singletary somehow becomes a beast very quickly.. Not worried about our D (stay healthy!).. but our offense needs to prove that they can scare teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 (edited) I was just listening to KC Joyner on Sirius NFL radio and he was discussing Singletary who he happens to be very bullish on from a fantasy perspective and then they got to talking about Shady. Joyner has this metric system and one of the metrics he looks at is "when there is good blocking" metric. Shady ranked 2nd to last in the NFL at what he called an "abysmal" rate. Also there was a similar metric for screen passes when there was "good blocking" from the team and again Shady ranked in the bottom 5 of the league. He mentioned how in just about every category metric they look at he was exceptionally poor this past year. I'm a fan of shady and thought he was a great teammate but he did have an awful year this year and it wasnt all the line's fault as dome have suggested. Edited September 1, 2019 by Magox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, Playoffs? said: Unfortunately I have to agree here. Beane DID appear make us better on offense (hope this is clearly the case), but what scares me is that there is no one on our offense that will consistently demand double coverage. No one that requires specific game planning for. But yes, this will be on Allen. Hoping he becomes the guy that defenses have to worry about. Or he is able to seriously elevate our WR’s. Or Singletary somehow becomes a beast very quickly.. Not worried about our D (stay healthy!).. but our offense needs to prove that they can scare teams. I agree. But Shady at this point in his career isn’t forcing the opposition to game plan for him either. There is only so much you can do in one off season. I think the smartest thing they did is to revamp the O line. Especially given the paucity of O line talent in the league. Hopefully that triggers a better run and pass game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Wonder what gore thinks about McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akm0404 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Love the armchair GMs that would solve all of the Bills’ issues by simply GETTING ELITE OFFENSIVE PLAYMAKERS. Sheesh, this is so simple and obvious, it’s just plain a dereliction of duty that McBeane didn’t get it done! Fun bonus points for those GMs that feel entitled to every free agent and lambasted the front office for attempting to trade for Antonio Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 This was going to be Shady's last year with the Bills anyway. And with the number of RB's they added, it was going to be RBBC. The Bills did him a favor by allowing him to latch-on with the Chefs. Good luck to him (unless the Bills face the Chefs in the playoffs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 McCoy tel tell us all once and for all time who has a strong arm, Mahommes or J Allen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 14 minutes ago, Helpmenow said: Wonder what gore thinks about McCoy guessing they're still friends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Geez. Anyone want to come over for some clams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 58 minutes ago, SoTier said: At some point you need to take off the blinders. McDermott and Beane have the same losing record over 32 games as Ryan and Whaley and Marrone and Whaley had 15 wins, 17 losses. McDermott and Beane have built an "asymmetric team" that isn't likely to even make the playoffs except in rare incidents when the moon, planet and stars all align perfectly. What does “asymmetric” mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: What does “asymmetric” mean? I used it first about the Chiefs. They spent a fortune on their Offense but their defense is not good. It will come back to bite them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Just came in to say that McCoy is making twice what Damien Williams is making and is (still) a better back than Williams. They may start the season in a running back by committee situation, but by week 5, it's gonna be the Shady show full time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 I could not care less about Shady. He is no longer on the Bills. I hope he sucks and KC somehow misses the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BITE ME Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 hour ago, SoTier said: At some point you need to take off the blinders. McDermott and Beane have the same losing record over 32 games as Ryan and Whaley and Marrone and Whaley had 15 wins, 17 losses. McDermott and Beane have built an "asymmetric team" that isn't likely to even make the playoffs except in rare incidents when the moon, planet and stars all align perfectly. Ridiculous post. First, they made the playoffs in year 1 and had a solid showing in Jacksonville. Second, they had a rookie QB in year 2. Who cares about year 2. The entire point is to get your franchise QB up to speed in the NFL. Third, this team they are putting on the field in 2019 is the best team the Bills have put on the field in over a decade. They have a franchise QB, a top rated defense, and a solid YOUNG supporting cast. This is a very good football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Looking back at Preseason Game 3 with post-cutdown-day hindsight, it seems pretty clear the whole game was intended as a running back audition. I went back and watched the Condensed version on Gamepass. They had a sub-par offensive line, with Morse still out. Last year, McCoy faltered behind an even worse subpar line. From series to series, they were alternating McCoy and Gore with (to my eyes) the same or similar run play calls and a side order of Murphy. To my eyes, McCoy lacked that burst and was being tackled by guys he would have run from 2-3 years ago. Gore looked like he had more burst, and was able to operate more effectively in "Grind it out" mode as well. Again, with the benefit of hindsight, I think Game 3 is where the decision was clinched. "Singletary is ready to play, we're only keeping 1 of Gore and Shady, Gore it is." Great post and good thoughts on game 3. Gore continues to gain yards after contact, McCoy does not. And on McCoy's long preseason run, he looked reasonably fast except that his running style was really off from past years. Really jerky and not smooth anymore. I liked having LeSean and wish him the best in KC, but no way is he a workhorse back anymore. FO did the right thing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 minute ago, FUTURIST said: Ridiculous post. First, they made the playoffs in year 1 and had a solid showing in Jacksonville. Second, they had a rookie QB in year 2. Who cares about year 2. The entire point is to get your franchise QB up to speed in the NFL. Third, this team they are putting on the field in 2019 is the best team the Bills have put on the field in over a decade. They have a franchise QB, a top rated defense, and a solid YOUNG supporting cast. This is a very good football team. Yeah but that was the stars aligning... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauleeeWalnuts Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Figures, I drafted Damien Williams as my RB2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, nucci said: guessing they're still friends Didn’t he sign here because Of 25 Edited September 1, 2019 by Helpmenow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 5 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: Winning? choking out... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Take care Shady! Thanks for all you did as a Bill while you were here. Good luck in KC. I don't think the Bills are SB bound this year, so I hope the Chiefs can make it to the big game for you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins90 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 10 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Got no problem with this and good luck to Shady but like I said......follow the money. We were paying him NINE MILLION DOLLARS this year....signed a contract for 3 Million If you would have offered us that deal he would probably still be here. He could take that kind of contract because we are still going to have to pay him $3 million this season. So, he gets $7 total if he plays the whole season with the Chiefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 hour ago, teef said: Geez. Anyone want to come over for some clams? Sure, save a little of the juice for Bloody Mary's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 4 hours ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said: Who own Chiefs? The patriots* 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Glad Shady is out of the Division. Glad that cheapshot artist Kiko is out of the Division. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nester Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Good for him, So sorry to see him go, but happy the team is deep enough that MGT could part with him. Not a great sign for high paid Running backs plummeting value in the nfl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 4 hours ago, oldmanfan said: You can’t win without defense either, and that’s what will happen with Reid. We retooled our entire O line, brought in 4 new TEs and 2 veteran WRs. Two new RBs. And of course a young qB with great potential. Yes we have to see how they do but it is really tiring to keep reading about how they did nothing for the offense. Actually three new RBs. KC traded Dee Ford, released Justin Houston and Eric Berry.Hired a new D coordinator Switched to the 4-3. Signed Tyran Matthieu, Bashaud Breeland, Okafor, Devin Wilson, traded for Frank Clark and drafted Juan Thornhill who all will start. Six new starters, new coordinator, new scheme, but nationally I keep reading how the Chiefs did nothing and the D is still horrible. 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: . KC should be a great situation for him - strong OL and an established passing threat. Mahomes and the scheme make our our line look better than it actually is. We have a very good RT. A serviceable LT and JAGs on the interior line. It’s a very poor line when you want a yard by trying to move people or run straight ahead. Protecting against interior pass rush also poor. 2 hours ago, oldmanfan said: I used it first about the Chiefs. They spent a fortune on their Offense but their defense is not good. It will come back to bite them. See above. Spent a ton of money on d. Had more money spent in D the last few years than the O. Offense still young and working in cheap rookie deals for Hill, Mahomes, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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