The Bills need to keep Duke Williams

[Big C]

Yeah, if Foster was cut from the team twice and still made it back to us I think there is a reasonable chance we can stash Duke too. Just a bit of a surprise because he was the only "big" receiver, made some great contested grabs AND blocked well.

[Shaw66]

Too bad.  I wanted it to work out for the Bills advantage.   But McBeane know what they want and how they want to build.  

 

I expect Duke will be appreciative of the time the Bills spent and the opportunity they gave him.  I'm guessing that we will see Duke on someone's 53.  

[NickelCity]

Bummer. Ugh.

[JoPar_v2]

The obsession with marginal talent here is cute.

[Meatloaf63]

12 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

The obsession with marginal talent here is cute.

You have no idea what talent he is. He’s the only wide receiver who can block with any result and efficiency, he had much better hands than Zay. The only thing you can say that the type of advantage he brings may be too close to what our tight ends provide. I would give him a chance before I gave another to Zay. More than likely,,we draft Zays replacement next year...

Edited August 31, 2019 by Meatloaf63

[Bob in Mich]

 

There are something like 1,100 NFL players cut today.  I too think we tend to over value some of our own talent without necessarily knowing all of the talent being released elsewhere.

[transplantbillsfan]

I trust Beane, but I don't agree with this decision.

 

I hope we get him on the PS.

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, StHustle said:

Wow so we cut Duke..WTF

Cole

Brown

Zay

Roberts

McKenzie 

Foster

 

its is then

.

Don't think Duke will clear waivers. I hope Im wrong.

 

Most teams have 1-2 WRs getting cut today that fans are really into. You just know ours.

10 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

There are something like 1,100 NFL players cut today.  I too think we tend to over value some of our own talent without necessarily knowing all of the talent being released elsewhere.

‘Zactly

 

almost every year we have 1 if not 2 WRs that get this thread. Yet it hasn’t registered that if we have it every year, probably most teams have similar.

[Livinginthepast]

Lets see they cut Williams, the number one receiver in the pass happy CFL and kept the mediocre Zay Jones who has already had one complete mental breakdown? Why? Does Zay love the lord more than Duke? Because that's apparently a very important quality to Beane? That and if you played for the Carolina Panthers. A completely asinine move by the Bills.

[Canadian Bills Fan]

This makes no sense to me. He was a huge redzone threat and honestly dont know what more he could have done.

 

This stings more than the Shady release 

[LABILLBACKER]

21 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

No doubt. Ray Ray is a little built up in Buffalo, I think both by fans and players. You can’t not love the guy. But from a tape perspective, he’s had some mistakes that really call his consistency into question. 

Some mistakes, he drops as many balls as Zay.

1 minute ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:

This makes no sense to me. He was a huge redzone threat and honestly dont know what more he could have done. I don't think Ray Ray is an upgrade over him.

 

This stings more than the Shady release 

 

4 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

Lets see they cut Williams, the number one receiver in the pass happy CFL and kept the mediocre Zay Jones who has already had one complete mental breakdown? Why? Does Zay love the lord more than Duke? Because that's apparently a very important quality to Beane? That and if you played for the Carolina Panthers. A completely asinine move by the Bills.

I'm starting to doubt the talent evaluation part of our organization. Duke is not making it thru waivers but Ray Ray would've. 

[Ta111]

15 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

I trust Beane, but I don't agree with this decision.

 

I hope we get him on the PS.

I mentioned this earlier, but it really came down to keeping 6 WR on the 53. They liked both McKenzie and Williams and the only way to have both available was to have Williams clear waivers and put him on PS. 

[StHustle]

16 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

Most teams have 1-2 WRs getting cut today that fans are really into. You just know ours.

‘Zactly

 

almost every year we have 1 if not 2 WRs that get this thread. Yet it hasn’t registered that if we have it every year, probably most teams have similar.

 

The player already knowing the system, coaches already knowing the player and practice squad eligibility are always factors. Ive seen lesser players not clear waivers

[Buffalo03]

1 minute ago, Ta111 said:

I mentioned this earlier, but it really came down to keeping 6 WR on the 53. They liked both McKenzie and Williams and the only way to have both available was to have Williams clear waivers and put him on PS. 

I have never really understood the obsession with keeping certain players strictly because of special teams. It makes no sense to cut a guy that has a skill set at WR that no one else has on the roster which he has shown in the preseason and can possibly make a difference on offense to keep a guy that's only on the field on kickoff and punt returns. Am I missing something?

[NoSaint]

13 minutes ago, StHustle said:

 

The player already knowing the system, coaches already knowing the player and practice squad eligibility are always factors. Ive seen lesser players not clear waivers

And all those teams have guys that know their system too.

 

he might go but even if he does there are a lot of good options to bring back 

[Ta111]

1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said:

I have never really understood the obsession with keeping certain players strictly because of special teams. It makes no sense to cut a guy that has a skill set at WR that no one else has on the roster which he has shown in the preseason and can possibly make a difference on offense to keep a guy that's only on the field on kickoff and punt returns. Am I missing something?

I do think they plan to use McKenzie as a gadget type player on offense. I do agree Williams gives them something no other WR does but it all comes down to somewhat of a guessing game. If they think he will clear waivers, it works out.

[Buffalo03]

3 minutes ago, Ta111 said:

I do think they plan to use McKenzie as a gadget type player on offense. I do agree Williams gives them something no other WR does but it all comes down to somewhat of a guessing game. If they think he will clear waivers, it works out.

I don't know if he will but if he does, some other team can just easily pluck him off the practice squad. I don't like this cut at all

[QCity]

These types of players are fun to root for, but they're lottery tickets - you're typically going to lose your money for a brief bit of excitement.

[transplantbillsfan]

26 minutes ago, Ta111 said:

I mentioned this earlier, but it really came down to keeping 6 WR on the 53. They liked both McKenzie and Williams and the only way to have both available was to have Williams clear waivers and put him on PS. 

 

I still think McKenzie and Roberts are interchangeable 

[The Frankish Reich]

3 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I still think McKenzie and Roberts are interchangeable 

I agree. And at their respective ages, I think McKenzie is likely to offer more. Just in general: a bit too heavy on the smurfs - Roberts, McKenzie, Brown, Beasley - so that’s why lots of fans saw Duke as filling a key role. 

[transplantbillsfan]

Wait... did we keep 6 or 7 WRs?

 

Am I reading people saying we kept 7 and the 7th is Ray Ray?

 

If we did that, I think Beane made a stupid move.

 

Ray Ray sucks sucks.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Wait... did we keep 6 or 7 WRs?

 

Am I reading people saying we kept 7 and the 7th is Ray Ray?

 

If we did that, I think Beane made a stupid move.

 

Ray Ray sucks sucks.

 

No Ray Ray and Duke are both gone. 

 

At the moment Phillips, Sills and McKenzie all remain. It is still one from those 3 and the smart money is still McKenzie.

[Virgil]

Maybe shouldn’t use the word “need”

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, ChicagoRic said:

I'm a Williams fan, but I gotta trust the coaches on this one.  Right now I think there's about 75% chance he winds up on the practice squad.  If that's the case, remember that Smurfs get hurt.

I hope you're right. I just have a feeling someone is going to grab him based on his tape. This calculated risk by McB will come back to bite them. Ray Ray will continue to be mediocre like last year and Zays inconsistency will continue. If what others say is true about PS pay, they better sweeten the pot with Duke to 400k.

[bilzfancy]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

No Ray Ray and Duke are both gone. 

 

At the moment Phillips, Sills and McKenzie all remain. It is still one from those 3 and the smart money is still McKenzie.

Phillips cut too

[bkep32]

sills cut

 

[White Linen]

6 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

I have never really understood the obsession with keeping certain players strictly because of special teams. It makes no sense to cut a guy that has a skill set at WR that no one else has on the roster which he has shown in the preseason and can possibly make a difference on offense to keep a guy that's only on the field on kickoff and punt returns. Am I missing something?

 

Did you watch our special teams last year?  

[Foxx]

the curse of the OP's predictions is ruling the day yet again.

[reddogblitz]

I'm bummed. I think we made a mistake today. Hopefully he clears and if he does, we sign him to ps.

[ganesh]

10 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I agree. And at their respective ages, I think McKenzie is likely to offer more. Just in general: a bit too heavy on the smurfs - Roberts, McKenzie, Brown, Beasley - so that’s why lots of fans saw Duke as filling a key role. 

The problem is that even if Duke WIlliams made the roster as the 6th or 7th WR, he mostly would not have dressed up on game day.  So a lot of stuff goes into deciding how to get that player from #6 to a #4...The PS is the best place for that.

[Bangarang]

14 hours ago, Foxx said:

the curse of the OP's predictions is ruling the day yet again.

 

All that’s left is his Allen will be an MVP candidate prediction. I really hope he’s right about that. Poor guy could use a victory for once.

Edited September 1, 2019 by Bangarang

[DCofNC]

The fact he couldnt get separation vs low level competition had to be his end.  Hes a big, strong, slightly too slow guy who could find a role by masking guys off and going up for catches, but that's not as valuable in todays game.  I feel like he could be a great red zone player, but he HAS to win physically, thats tough.

[ganesh]

40 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

The fact he couldnt get separation vs low level competition had to be his end.  Hes a big, strong, slightly too slow guy who could find a role by masking guys off and going up for catches, but that's not as valuable in todays game.  I feel like he could be a great red zone player, but he HAS to win physically, thats tough.

And couldn't your pass catching TEs like Knox and Kroft be that big bodied guy that can get the separation in the end zone. 

[transplantbillsfan]

3 hours ago, Bangarang said:

 

All that’s left isn’t his Allen will be an MVP candidate prediction. I really hope he’s right about that. Poor guy could use a victory for once.

 

I've had plenty over the years, assuming I'm the "poor guy" you're referring to.

 

From Tyrod making the Pro Bowl in his first year starting to the Bills making the playoffs in 2017 to the Bills beating the Chiefs in Arrowhead 2 weeks after Taylor was benched for his horrid play against the Saints to my CONSTANT stance from the very beginning of the 2017 preseason that Peterman just didn't belong in the NFL to Allen being the guy who should have been named the starter very quickly last offseason in order to get all the reps since McCarron and Peterman clearly sucked and weren't viable mentors...

 

Yeah... I'm all good, bro... pretty far from the "bet the opposite of what that guy says narrative" you and Foxxy like to push...

 

Thanks for your concern, though 

Edited September 1, 2019 by transplantbillsfan

[Rocky Landing]

Duke is a big, strong dude with great hands, and an enormous catch radius. I will say that he looked a little slow in preseason game #4, but I chalked that up to him being out there blocking for almost the entire game. He did not look slow in games one thru three. But the line that "he can't get separation" is bogus. He's a talented route runner that can reel in passes thrown into tight coverage, and it's his sheer strength that gives him that edge. The only other WR with a similar catch radius, IMO, is Brown. And, I don't believe we had another WR who could highpoint as well as he could. I don't think that is an attribute that should be ignored-- neither his ability to block. I believe we will regret not signing him. I hope he clears waivers, and makes the PS, but I doubt he will.

Edited September 1, 2019 by Rocky Landing

[BuffaloButt]

On 8/24/2019 at 1:12 AM, Alphadawg7 said:

Duke needs to stay.  He’s earned it.  

Is Duke PS eligible?

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, BuffaloButt said:

Is Duke PS eligible?

 

I think so, report said Bills hope to put him on it, so I assume so.

[GunnerBill]

15 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I still think McKenzie and Roberts are interchangeable 

 

They are not. Roberts can't do the stuff on the offense that McKenzie can. And it is stuff that Daboll wants to do. 

 

People would have saved themselves a lot of heartbreak if they had just listened to me in May. I told you all then who the 6 receivers would be and why. ?

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

Duke is a big, strong dude with great hands, and an enormous catch radius. I will say that he looked a little slow in preseason game #4, but I chalked that up to him being out there blocking for almost the entire game. He did not look slow in games one thru three. But the line that "he can't get separation" is bogus. He's a talented route runner that can reel in passes thrown into tight coverage, and it's his sheer strength that gives him that edge. The only other WR with a similar catch radius, IMO, is Brown. And, I don't believe we had another WR who could highpoint as well as he could. I don't think that is an attribute that should be ignored-- neither his ability to block. I believe we will regret not signing him. I hope he clears waivers, and makes the PS, but I doubt he will.

 

He is slow. He does have a big catch radius and I have to say he really impressed me with his willingness to block and his physicality in blocking. The point on the high pointing catches that I have made all summer is they are just not really the way Daboll has tried to build this offense. We started last season with sub par speed but size and catch radius (even leaving fat Kelvin out of it) and by the bye Daboll was banging on the table for his guys. The fact that the offense opened up when he got McKenzie and Foster was no coincidence. Brian Daboll wants to spread you out, make you defend the whole field and beat you with speed matchups. So while Duke can block and while he has value with his size in the redzone his game does not suit what the Bills want to do between the 20s. 

 

I think they would like to PS him. I do wonder if he gets a look elsewhere though because there are other offenses he fits better. 

3 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

From Tyrod making the Pro Bowl in his first year starting  

 

Alternate Alert!!!!

 

Remember that is not enough for you to win our Allen wager this year. 

 

15 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I agree. And at their respective ages, I think McKenzie is likely to offer more. Just in general: a bit too heavy on the smurfs - Roberts, McKenzie, Brown, Beasley - so that’s why lots of fans saw Duke as filling a key role. 

 

Bills fans more than any other fan base I have come across are obsessed with the height of wide receivers. 

Edited September 1, 2019 by GunnerBill

[Foxx]

5 hours ago, Bangarang said:

 

All that’s left isn’t his Allen will be an MVP candidate prediction. I really hope he’s right about that. Poor guy could use a victory for once.

no worries. when he loses his bet with me on Allen making the Pro Bowl, he will no longer be able to jinx the Bills for a year by making any prediction of any sort and then maybe we will be able to move ahead.

 

Edited September 1, 2019 by Foxx