Big C Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Yeah, if Foster was cut from the team twice and still made it back to us I think there is a reasonable chance we can stash Duke too. Just a bit of a surprise because he was the only "big" receiver, made some great contested grabs AND blocked well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Too bad. I wanted it to work out for the Bills advantage. But McBeane know what they want and how they want to build. I expect Duke will be appreciative of the time the Bills spent and the opportunity they gave him. I'm guessing that we will see Duke on someone's 53. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Bummer. Ugh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 The obsession with marginal talent here is cute. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said: The obsession with marginal talent here is cute. You have no idea what talent he is. He’s the only wide receiver who can block with any result and efficiency, he had much better hands than Zay. The only thing you can say that the type of advantage he brings may be too close to what our tight ends provide. I would give him a chance before I gave another to Zay. More than likely,,we draft Zays replacement next year... Edited August 31, 2019 by Meatloaf63 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 There are something like 1,100 NFL players cut today. I too think we tend to over value some of our own talent without necessarily knowing all of the talent being released elsewhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted August 31, 2019 Author Share Posted August 31, 2019 I trust Beane, but I don't agree with this decision. I hope we get him on the PS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 1 hour ago, StHustle said: Wow so we cut Duke..WTF Cole Brown Zay Roberts McKenzie Foster its is then . Don't think Duke will clear waivers. I hope Im wrong. Most teams have 1-2 WRs getting cut today that fans are really into. You just know ours. 10 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: There are something like 1,100 NFL players cut today. I too think we tend to over value some of our own talent without necessarily knowing all of the talent being released elsewhere. ‘Zactly almost every year we have 1 if not 2 WRs that get this thread. Yet it hasn’t registered that if we have it every year, probably most teams have similar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Lets see they cut Williams, the number one receiver in the pass happy CFL and kept the mediocre Zay Jones who has already had one complete mental breakdown? Why? Does Zay love the lord more than Duke? Because that's apparently a very important quality to Beane? That and if you played for the Carolina Panthers. A completely asinine move by the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 This makes no sense to me. He was a huge redzone threat and honestly dont know what more he could have done. This stings more than the Shady release 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 21 hours ago, Rocky Landing said: No doubt. Ray Ray is a little built up in Buffalo, I think both by fans and players. You can’t not love the guy. But from a tape perspective, he’s had some mistakes that really call his consistency into question. Some mistakes, he drops as many balls as Zay. 1 minute ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: This makes no sense to me. He was a huge redzone threat and honestly dont know what more he could have done. I don't think Ray Ray is an upgrade over him. This stings more than the Shady release 4 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said: Lets see they cut Williams, the number one receiver in the pass happy CFL and kept the mediocre Zay Jones who has already had one complete mental breakdown? Why? Does Zay love the lord more than Duke? Because that's apparently a very important quality to Beane? That and if you played for the Carolina Panthers. A completely asinine move by the Bills. I'm starting to doubt the talent evaluation part of our organization. Duke is not making it thru waivers but Ray Ray would've. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ta111 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 15 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: I trust Beane, but I don't agree with this decision. I hope we get him on the PS. I mentioned this earlier, but it really came down to keeping 6 WR on the 53. They liked both McKenzie and Williams and the only way to have both available was to have Williams clear waivers and put him on PS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 16 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Most teams have 1-2 WRs getting cut today that fans are really into. You just know ours. ‘Zactly almost every year we have 1 if not 2 WRs that get this thread. Yet it hasn’t registered that if we have it every year, probably most teams have similar. The player already knowing the system, coaches already knowing the player and practice squad eligibility are always factors. Ive seen lesser players not clear waivers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Ta111 said: I mentioned this earlier, but it really came down to keeping 6 WR on the 53. They liked both McKenzie and Williams and the only way to have both available was to have Williams clear waivers and put him on PS. I have never really understood the obsession with keeping certain players strictly because of special teams. It makes no sense to cut a guy that has a skill set at WR that no one else has on the roster which he has shown in the preseason and can possibly make a difference on offense to keep a guy that's only on the field on kickoff and punt returns. Am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 13 minutes ago, StHustle said: The player already knowing the system, coaches already knowing the player and practice squad eligibility are always factors. Ive seen lesser players not clear waivers And all those teams have guys that know their system too. he might go but even if he does there are a lot of good options to bring back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ta111 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said: I have never really understood the obsession with keeping certain players strictly because of special teams. It makes no sense to cut a guy that has a skill set at WR that no one else has on the roster which he has shown in the preseason and can possibly make a difference on offense to keep a guy that's only on the field on kickoff and punt returns. Am I missing something? I do think they plan to use McKenzie as a gadget type player on offense. I do agree Williams gives them something no other WR does but it all comes down to somewhat of a guessing game. If they think he will clear waivers, it works out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ta111 said: I do think they plan to use McKenzie as a gadget type player on offense. I do agree Williams gives them something no other WR does but it all comes down to somewhat of a guessing game. If they think he will clear waivers, it works out. I don't know if he will but if he does, some other team can just easily pluck him off the practice squad. I don't like this cut at all 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 These types of players are fun to root for, but they're lottery tickets - you're typically going to lose your money for a brief bit of excitement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted August 31, 2019 Author Share Posted August 31, 2019 26 minutes ago, Ta111 said: I mentioned this earlier, but it really came down to keeping 6 WR on the 53. They liked both McKenzie and Williams and the only way to have both available was to have Williams clear waivers and put him on PS. I still think McKenzie and Roberts are interchangeable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: I still think McKenzie and Roberts are interchangeable I agree. And at their respective ages, I think McKenzie is likely to offer more. Just in general: a bit too heavy on the smurfs - Roberts, McKenzie, Brown, Beasley - so that’s why lots of fans saw Duke as filling a key role. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted August 31, 2019 Author Share Posted August 31, 2019 Wait... did we keep 6 or 7 WRs? Am I reading people saying we kept 7 and the 7th is Ray Ray? If we did that, I think Beane made a stupid move. Ray Ray sucks sucks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said: Wait... did we keep 6 or 7 WRs? Am I reading people saying we kept 7 and the 7th is Ray Ray? If we did that, I think Beane made a stupid move. Ray Ray sucks sucks. No Ray Ray and Duke are both gone. At the moment Phillips, Sills and McKenzie all remain. It is still one from those 3 and the smart money is still McKenzie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Maybe shouldn’t use the word “need” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 1 hour ago, ChicagoRic said: I'm a Williams fan, but I gotta trust the coaches on this one. Right now I think there's about 75% chance he winds up on the practice squad. If that's the case, remember that Smurfs get hurt. I hope you're right. I just have a feeling someone is going to grab him based on his tape. This calculated risk by McB will come back to bite them. Ray Ray will continue to be mediocre like last year and Zays inconsistency will continue. If what others say is true about PS pay, they better sweeten the pot with Duke to 400k. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: No Ray Ray and Duke are both gone. At the moment Phillips, Sills and McKenzie all remain. It is still one from those 3 and the smart money is still McKenzie. Phillips cut too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkep32 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 sills cut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 6 hours ago, Buffalo03 said: I have never really understood the obsession with keeping certain players strictly because of special teams. It makes no sense to cut a guy that has a skill set at WR that no one else has on the roster which he has shown in the preseason and can possibly make a difference on offense to keep a guy that's only on the field on kickoff and punt returns. Am I missing something? Did you watch our special teams last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 the curse of the OP's predictions is ruling the day yet again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 I'm bummed. I think we made a mistake today. Hopefully he clears and if he does, we sign him to ps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 10 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: I agree. And at their respective ages, I think McKenzie is likely to offer more. Just in general: a bit too heavy on the smurfs - Roberts, McKenzie, Brown, Beasley - so that’s why lots of fans saw Duke as filling a key role. The problem is that even if Duke WIlliams made the roster as the 6th or 7th WR, he mostly would not have dressed up on game day. So a lot of stuff goes into deciding how to get that player from #6 to a #4...The PS is the best place for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, Foxx said: the curse of the OP's predictions is ruling the day yet again. All that’s left is his Allen will be an MVP candidate prediction. I really hope he’s right about that. Poor guy could use a victory for once. Edited September 1, 2019 by Bangarang 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 The fact he couldnt get separation vs low level competition had to be his end. Hes a big, strong, slightly too slow guy who could find a role by masking guys off and going up for catches, but that's not as valuable in todays game. I feel like he could be a great red zone player, but he HAS to win physically, thats tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 40 minutes ago, DCofNC said: The fact he couldnt get separation vs low level competition had to be his end. Hes a big, strong, slightly too slow guy who could find a role by masking guys off and going up for catches, but that's not as valuable in todays game. I feel like he could be a great red zone player, but he HAS to win physically, thats tough. And couldn't your pass catching TEs like Knox and Kroft be that big bodied guy that can get the separation in the end zone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted September 1, 2019 Author Share Posted September 1, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Bangarang said: All that’s left isn’t his Allen will be an MVP candidate prediction. I really hope he’s right about that. Poor guy could use a victory for once. I've had plenty over the years, assuming I'm the "poor guy" you're referring to. From Tyrod making the Pro Bowl in his first year starting to the Bills making the playoffs in 2017 to the Bills beating the Chiefs in Arrowhead 2 weeks after Taylor was benched for his horrid play against the Saints to my CONSTANT stance from the very beginning of the 2017 preseason that Peterman just didn't belong in the NFL to Allen being the guy who should have been named the starter very quickly last offseason in order to get all the reps since McCarron and Peterman clearly sucked and weren't viable mentors... Yeah... I'm all good, bro... pretty far from the "bet the opposite of what that guy says narrative" you and Foxxy like to push... Thanks for your concern, though Edited September 1, 2019 by transplantbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 (edited) Duke is a big, strong dude with great hands, and an enormous catch radius. I will say that he looked a little slow in preseason game #4, but I chalked that up to him being out there blocking for almost the entire game. He did not look slow in games one thru three. But the line that "he can't get separation" is bogus. He's a talented route runner that can reel in passes thrown into tight coverage, and it's his sheer strength that gives him that edge. The only other WR with a similar catch radius, IMO, is Brown. And, I don't believe we had another WR who could highpoint as well as he could. I don't think that is an attribute that should be ignored-- neither his ability to block. I believe we will regret not signing him. I hope he clears waivers, and makes the PS, but I doubt he will. Edited September 1, 2019 by Rocky Landing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloButt Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 On 8/24/2019 at 1:12 AM, Alphadawg7 said: Duke needs to stay. He’s earned it. Is Duke PS eligible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 hour ago, BuffaloButt said: Is Duke PS eligible? I think so, report said Bills hope to put him on it, so I assume so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 15 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: I still think McKenzie and Roberts are interchangeable They are not. Roberts can't do the stuff on the offense that McKenzie can. And it is stuff that Daboll wants to do. People would have saved themselves a lot of heartbreak if they had just listened to me in May. I told you all then who the 6 receivers would be and why. ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rocky Landing said: Duke is a big, strong dude with great hands, and an enormous catch radius. I will say that he looked a little slow in preseason game #4, but I chalked that up to him being out there blocking for almost the entire game. He did not look slow in games one thru three. But the line that "he can't get separation" is bogus. He's a talented route runner that can reel in passes thrown into tight coverage, and it's his sheer strength that gives him that edge. The only other WR with a similar catch radius, IMO, is Brown. And, I don't believe we had another WR who could highpoint as well as he could. I don't think that is an attribute that should be ignored-- neither his ability to block. I believe we will regret not signing him. I hope he clears waivers, and makes the PS, but I doubt he will. He is slow. He does have a big catch radius and I have to say he really impressed me with his willingness to block and his physicality in blocking. The point on the high pointing catches that I have made all summer is they are just not really the way Daboll has tried to build this offense. We started last season with sub par speed but size and catch radius (even leaving fat Kelvin out of it) and by the bye Daboll was banging on the table for his guys. The fact that the offense opened up when he got McKenzie and Foster was no coincidence. Brian Daboll wants to spread you out, make you defend the whole field and beat you with speed matchups. So while Duke can block and while he has value with his size in the redzone his game does not suit what the Bills want to do between the 20s. I think they would like to PS him. I do wonder if he gets a look elsewhere though because there are other offenses he fits better. 3 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: From Tyrod making the Pro Bowl in his first year starting Alternate Alert!!!! Remember that is not enough for you to win our Allen wager this year. 15 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: I agree. And at their respective ages, I think McKenzie is likely to offer more. Just in general: a bit too heavy on the smurfs - Roberts, McKenzie, Brown, Beasley - so that’s why lots of fans saw Duke as filling a key role. Bills fans more than any other fan base I have come across are obsessed with the height of wide receivers. Edited September 1, 2019 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Bangarang said: All that’s left isn’t his Allen will be an MVP candidate prediction. I really hope he’s right about that. Poor guy could use a victory for once. no worries. when he loses his bet with me on Allen making the Pro Bowl, he will no longer be able to jinx the Bills for a year by making any prediction of any sort and then maybe we will be able to move ahead. Edited September 1, 2019 by Foxx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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