lookylookyherecomescookie Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 I know it's early, and I'm certainly not anointing Josh as the second coming, (although he certainly appears to be moving along nicely towards what many think he may ultimately be capable of). It just strikes me that for the first time in a long time, we seem to be in really good shape as to both starting and back-up qb. Are he and Barkely the best pair since Kelly-Reich, the gold standard? How about Bledsoe-Van Pelt, or Flutie-Johnson? Any others? Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Easily. I too think Barkley is a phenomenal backup and have confidence that he will play well and win when/if he plays 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 I hate to be a naysayer (not really) but Barkely is an average backup at best. He has played great since coming to the Bills but he would likely get murdered if he had to play a few games. Yes, he played great against the Jets, but he still has a rag arm that cannot consistently beat NFL defenses in the regular season. He's smart, and accurate, and a great teammate, and will help Josh, but 90% of Bills fans IMO are way, way, way wrong about him I fear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 I mean, Kelly Holcomb and JP Losman were on the team at the same time. Pretty hard to beat that pair. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 At this point I really don't think there's any reason to believe it's better than Manuel/Orton. I knowa lot of people are assuming that Allen will be here for 15 years, v and I hope he is, but he really have done a thing to earn that yet. If you redrafted today, he'd probably be the 4th QB taken. 1 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Sadly, yes. I’m thrilled that we have these two guys, but we have a long way to go to prove they are the guys for years to come. It’s looking very promising, especially after what I’ve seen tonight. But as to the actual question, they are competing with the kind of hot garbage my dog occasionally yacks up on my dining room rug after eating weeds. No contest! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Just now, whatdrought said: I mean, Kelly Holcomb and JP Losman were on the team at the same time. Pretty hard to beat that pair. And both were two of the better backups we have had in 25 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: I hate to be a naysayer (not really) but Barkely is an average backup at best. He has played great since coming to the Bills but he would likely get murdered if he had to play a few games. Yes, he played great against the Jets, but he still has a rag arm that cannot consistently beat NFL defenses in the regular season. He's smart, and accurate, and a great teammate, and will help Josh, but 90% of Bills fans IMO are way, way, way wrong about him I fear. I don't think it's fair to completely overlook the Jets game considering he was out of the league for awhile before that. Granted we only have one game and training camp/pre-season, but he's been pretty damn good every time he's been on the field, and we all know he gets a back-up QB A+ for every single thing that he's done off it. Dude is still only 28 so it's not absurd to think that he may have progressed a bit since his early career. If his attitude is legit which it seems to be then I think there's a decent chance that he might be a very serviceable back-up for a very long time, but regardless yeah, let's all hope that we don't see him or anybody else but Josh Allen start multiple games any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Allen and Barkley really have to perform consistently well during the regular season. Preseason games still really don't mean much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Flutie / Johnson probably. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Nelius said: I don't think it's fair to completely overlook the Jets game considering he was out of the league for awhile before that. Granted we only have one game and training camp/pre-season, but he's been pretty damn good every time he's been on the field, and we all know he gets a back-up QB A+ for every single thing that he's done off it. Dude is still only 28 so it's not absurd to think that he may have progressed a bit since his early career. If his attitude is legit which it seems to be then I think there's a decent chance that he might be a very serviceable back-up for a very long time, but regardless yeah, let's all hope that we don't see him or anybody else but Josh Allen start multiple games any time soon. That's not the issue though. He was a great college QB. He was drafted in the fourth round because his arm was not NFL quality. He played on Philly and Chicago. He showed flashes but he failed, badly, because his arm is a liability. It's his only real liability but it's a HUGE one. It''s not likely to get better. Against the Jets he made about six really good plays. None of them showed real arm strength, his death knell. A few of his floaters luckily fell into Bills Wrs hands when defenders just missed them. He could have easily had two INTs on the throws he made. In practice and preseason he can excel like Peterman because the game is at 3/4 speed. But his arm cannot cash checks his head will make, and in the regular season, it's much more likely to be the Philly or Chicago Barkely than the Bills 2018 Jets game Barkley. His experience can only help him so much. There has only been one guy in the last 20-30 years that succeeded over time with an arm like that. If he had Trent Edwards' arm he would be a solid starter in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChattanoogaBills Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 5 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: At this point I really don't think there's any reason to believe it's better than Manuel/Orton. I knowa lot of people are assuming that Allen will be here for 15 years, v and I hope he is, but he really have done a thing to earn that yet. If you redrafted today, he'd probably be the 4th QB taken. Ummm... Fourth behind who??? Rosen??? L. Jackson??? No I dont see it ... L. Jackson is not a good nfl QB at all. But its good to have guarded optimism. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 5 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: At this point I really don't think there's any reason to believe it's better than Manuel/Orton. I knowa lot of people are assuming that Allen will be here for 15 years, v and I hope he is, but he really have done a thing to earn that yet. If you redrafted today, he'd probably be the 4th QB taken. Excellence in incorrectness right here. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 5 hours ago, whatdrought said: I mean, Kelly Holcomb and JP Losman were on the team at the same time. Pretty hard to beat that pair. ...honorable mention to "Nall Ball"....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 5 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: At this point I really don't think there's any reason to believe it's better than Manuel/Orton. I knowa lot of people are assuming that Allen will be here for 15 years, v and I hope he is, but he really have done a thing to earn that yet. If you redrafted today, he'd probably be the 4th QB taken. That is truly laughable. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 5 hours ago, MJS said: Flutie / Johnson probably. ? 5 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: At this point I really don't think there's any reason to believe it's better than Manuel/Orton. I knowa lot of people are assuming that Allen will be here for 15 years, v and I hope he is, but he really have done a thing to earn that yet. If you redrafted today, he'd probably be the 4th QB taken. Maybe.... let’s circle back after this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiley16350 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Barkley was better with the Bears in 2016 than his stats suggest he was. I graded every game of every QB in that season and I had him ranked tied for 15th with Dak Prescott and Alex Smith. He was very close to grade with Philip Rivers and Matt Stafford. His biggest issue was turnovers but he got the ball downfield (10+ yards) a lot and the biggest reason for his bad numbers were his receivers. PFF graded him with an 80+ rating that year. I was very happy when the Bills signed Barkley just because of how impressed I was with how he played. He showed potential as long as he could cut down on the picks and so far he has done that with the Bills. It remains to be seen if the turnovers become a problem when he plays more. He is comparable to Ryan Fitzpatrick and is probably the ideal back-up because the turnovers may become an issue the more he plays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 I can't believe Barkley was just sitting on his couch for us to poach. He's a guy who can legitimately start and win games in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 7 hours ago, whatdrought said: Pretty hard to beat that pair. We’re using the 54 card deck. Fortunately, I have both jokers. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 7 hours ago, MJS said: Flutie / Johnson probably. Johnson was sacked how many times? The dude was horrible and impossible to watch. Best since Kelly/Reich. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 16 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said: I can't believe Barkley was just sitting on his couch for us to poach. He's a guy who can legitimately start and win games in this league. There was a reason he was on the couch. But thus far I’ve been impressed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 7 hours ago, whatdrought said: I mean, Kelly Holcomb and JP Losman were on the team at the same time. Pretty hard to beat that pair. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 7 hours ago, MJS said: Flutie / Johnson probably. Lol. Robbery Johnson was a deer in headlights if you ask me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 ...certainly has the potential to be......Reich seemed content backing up Kelly with no QB controversy.......was meh about the Barkley signing due to his well traveled/not showing much track record...looks like I better take the crow out of the freezer now....BTW, Barkley seems content backing up Josh as well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 It’s probably 2002 Bledsoe and Van Pelt no? Statistically they had the best year. It’s too early to say anything about Allen and Barkley. If we’re going by last year they’re probably middle of the pack. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: At this point I really don't think there's any reason to believe it's better than Manuel/Orton. I knowa lot of people are assuming that Allen will be here for 15 years, v and I hope he is, but he really have done a thing to earn that yet. If you redrafted today, he'd probably be the 4th QB taken. Average at best ha ? Why don’t you name few backups that are better then Barkley , how many backup QB’s came last year and won games for their teams ? 17 minutes ago, VW82 said: It’s probably 2002 Bledsoe and Van Pelt no? Statistically they had the best year. It’s too early to say anything about Allen and Barkley. If we’re going by last year they’re probably middle of the pack. Let’s NOT forget who they had at WR position ! When you trade your # 2 WR AND get a 1st round pick for him BTW that’s more then what we got for Watkins Edited August 17, 2019 by Putin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Bar is pretty low...we haven't had a real starter since Kelly....The thing about Allen is that he is improving and seems smart....he doesn't look lost and looks in control. We should be pumped for the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
******* Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 He’s still not accurate. Not sure if you forgot or not. (Last night was only preseason) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 they both have a long way to go before any comparisons can be made. until barkley leads the team to the greatest come back in nfl history, there will be no real comparison. how about giving them a few seasons of work before jumping to any conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Yes, but only by default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 From the standpoint of purely entertainment value, the 1997 duo of Todd “it’s not my fault” Collins and Billy Joe Hobert rate highly. ? * ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 I would say so. I think our backup appears to be better than a lot of our starters in that time frame. 10 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: At this point I really don't think there's any reason to believe it's better than Manuel/Orton. I knowa lot of people are assuming that Allen will be here for 15 years, v and I hope he is, but he really have done a thing to earn that yet. If you redrafted today, he'd probably be the 4th QB taken. Thats a bunch of bull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 2 hours ago, ******* said: He’s still not accurate. Not sure if you forgot or not. (Last night was only preseason) Right I totally forgot they use magnets in preseason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 I'm feeling good about our 1 - 2 punch at QB right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenigmusx Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, nucci said: Bar is pretty low...we haven't had a real starter since Kelly....The thing about Allen is that he is improving and seems smart....he doesn't look lost and looks in control. We should be pumped for the season I suppose you forget that Drew Bledsoe has the franchise best passing season by a rather large margin. Kelly is my all time favorite but both Bledsoe and Flutie (pro bowl appearances as Bills) were top tier NFL QB’s for part of the tenure in the Bills uniform. Edited August 17, 2019 by Lenigmusx Grammar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 11 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: I hate to be a naysayer (not really) but Barkely is an average backup at best. He has played great since coming to the Bills but he would likely get murdered if he had to play a few games. Yes, he played great against the Jets, but he still has a rag arm that cannot consistently beat NFL defenses in the regular season. He's smart, and accurate, and a great teammate, and will help Josh, but 90% of Bills fans IMO are way, way, way wrong about him I fear. An average back up is an improvement. We have had his skill level starting for us for years. Now this level is where it’s supposed to be...backing up a (hopefully) franchise QB. 11 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: At this point I really don't think there's any reason to believe it's better than Manuel/Orton. I knowa lot of people are assuming that Allen will be here for 15 years, v and I hope he is, but he really have done a thing to earn that yet. If you redrafted today, he'd probably be the 4th QB taken. People aren’t drafting Jackson or Rosen over Allen. Mayfield for sure. Darnold...you’ll probably have a split. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Azucho98 said: Johnson was sacked how many times? The dude was horrible and impossible to watch. Best since Kelly/Reich. And Barkley has every bit as much arm strength as Dougie did with the Bills. Also, he can manage a game, which is what you are looking for in a back up. Build a good team around your QB and a back up needs to win half of his starts for short durations of time. Edited August 17, 2019 by Buffalo Boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Um...let me think.........no. At this point, Collins-VanPelt is higher on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 4 hours ago, TheBrownBear said: I can't believe Barkley was just sitting on his couch for us to poach. He's a guy who can legitimately start and win games in this league. IIRC, Barkley was coming off an injury and was not really available at the start of the season. That's why we picked up Derek Andersen first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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