PromoTheRobot Posted June 27, 2019 Author Share Posted June 27, 2019 48 minutes ago, Augie said: But if they did....it would smell like lilac and roses! I think they are looking in the rear view mirror vs the windshield. What do they lose if we make the playoffs? It would mean we got lucky the rest of the division fell off the cliff. You know that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 They probably forgot the Bills have Duke Williams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 8 hours ago, MacGyver said: Yes, they still suck untill they prove otherwise with wins. We all know and understand this, right? You suck until you don't suck. We up here saying the same thing about the Browns that are getting hyped on paper. Bills and Browns need a really good season to convince the casual fan that the last 20 years aren't indicative of the next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 28, 2019 Author Share Posted June 28, 2019 1 hour ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: You suck until you don't suck. We up here saying the same thing about the Browns that are getting hyped on paper. Bills and Browns need a really good season to convince the casual fan that the last 20 years aren't indicative of the next year. So you're saying that any poll or review evaluating teams going into a new season, should be 100% based on what happened before? Gotcha. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 9 hours ago, teef said: anyone know the address for pff? i'd like to go throw rocks at their building. maybe they work out of a small ranch house...i don't know. Whatever address is throw rocks at basement windows as all these nerds live with mom still in a basement bedroom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Non believers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 9 hours ago, BuffaloBillies said: Here is their building... Being in Cincinnati, they are likely Bengals fans. Best way to get 'em back will be week 3, the home opener. How much do you really need to get back at someone who is, ahem, stuckincincy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 I’m recanceling my pff account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Lets just give New England another Lombardi Trophy and award Buffalo, New York Jets and Dolphins top five picks in the 2020 draft. No point in playing out the 2019 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 The Bills will eventually prove these writers wrong.......Hopefully, this is the year....I don't get bend out of shape about that stuff like some posters in this thread seem to be.....we've been bad for a very long time....it will take a few good seasons to turn the tide regarding the national opinion of the Buffalo Bills..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Doc said: Yup. It's idiotic. The Bills were the the 24th best team last year. Since then, they've spent a ton of money in FA, lost almost no one, and added some talent in the draft. And yet that dropped them 5 spots? I realize this stuff is just opinion, but at least use some intelligence. PFF boast about their stats all the time, but I think they just can't help putting a thumb on the scale when it comes to the Bills. At least they give us something to B word about:) The Bills ranked 30th on Offense: That is with them starting 4 different QBs, fielded almost an entire offense of practice squad guys and cast offs. I have no qualms with ranking that motley collection in line with that 30th in Offensive performance. The front office has overhauled that roster and Allen is in his second year in Daboll's system - we will see how they perform this season. The Bills were 2nd in overall Defense - this area to me has arguably improved - on paper. I know we lost Kyle, but I think the additions they have made, the guys that are back healthy, and the experience gained by all the 1st year players last year can only take this group to another level. The Bills also play NE twice a year which is the team that thumps the rest of the league on a fairly regular basis - so I would toss in a handicap. Either way, if we averaged the offensive roster as 30th, and the defensive roster as 2nd the Bills roster would land at about the middle of the pack, and that is where I think the Bills deserve to be till the Offense and Special Teams catches up a bit to the level of play of the defense. Edited June 28, 2019 by WideNine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: So you're saying that any poll or review evaluating teams going into a new season, should be 100% based on what happened before? Gotcha. No I'm saying any poll or review is based on past history. I ain't making the poll. I'm confident where we're going next year and don't give a d*** what the poll says because we're bringing back a similar roster with no splash FAs to make PFF think we're any different in some lazy article. If we want to be percieved as good we oughta out our money where our mouth is. Which we're getting ready to do. Until then we can piss and moan about lazy journalism or recognize lazy journalism needs to see some more Ws in the W/L column to change their minds. Forget about getting insecure validation from lazy journalists and get our validation starting week 1 and going forward. Again how many people are sh***ing on the Browns on this board all off-season? They made flashy signings. They have questionable lockerroom leadership. We're assuming Brown's culture never changes. Goes both ways. What are lazy fans going to say about a Bills roster with not nearly the name recognition the Browns cobbled together. Let's go Bills and throw that chip on our shoulder! Thank you PFF. Are you saying having a losing season should have 0% on our perception the year after? No. I'm not saying having a losing season should be 100% either. Let's just accept PFF's challenge because they shouldn't be using that rationale... But they are brutha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 12 hours ago, teef said: not sure. i've always kept to cocaine. The adult thing to do. I approve. 12 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: I eat pieces of ***** like PFF for breakfast. "You eat pieces of **** for breakfast?" It all makes sense now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideRightRevenge Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) It was so nice to read a piece about last year's roster posted by PFF in June 2019. That's the prompt reporting that's necessary to keep all fans up to speed on current roster dynamics. Great work PFF. Maybe I'll just replay last year's games this year so my watching experience of their player ratings matches their "2019 roster rating". Edited June 28, 2019 by WideRightRevenge grammar fix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacGyver Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 9 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said: Non believers Well, how has being a "believer" worked out the last 2 DECADES? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Why should we care about this or let it bother us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 8 hours ago, WideNine said: PFF boast about their stats all the time, but I think they just can't help putting a thumb on the scale when it comes to the Bills. At least they give us something to B word about:) The Bills ranked 30th on Offense: That is with them starting 4 different QBs, fielded almost an entire offense of practice squad guys and cast offs. I have no qualms with ranking that motley collection in line with that 30th in Offensive performance. The front office has overhauled that roster and Allen is in his second year in Daboll's system - we will see how they perform this season. The Bills were 2nd in overall Defense - this area to me has arguably improved - on paper. I know we lost Kyle, but I think the additions they have made, the guys that are back healthy, and the experience gained by all the 1st year players last year can only take this group to another level. The Bills also play NE twice a year which is the team that thumps the rest of the league on a fairly regular basis - so I would toss in a handicap. Either way, if we averaged the offensive roster as 30th, and the defensive roster as 2nd the Bills roster would land at about the middle of the pack, and that is where I think the Bills deserve to be till the Offense and Special Teams catches up a bit to the level of play of the defense. I don't know if they have a motive and frankly I don't care. Saying the Bills will be 5 spots worse than last year is one of the dumbest things I've read in awhile. I only wish I could make a large bet with PFF about the Bills finishing 29th and see if they put their money where their mouth is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Got to do something to fill the time over the 2 months there is nothing going on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 it appears they are ranking us based on players we kept- because if they add in john brown and cole Beasley along with the oline upgrades we would have to be considered at leasr decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 not worried.. I like our team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 At this point it's all just talk talk talk. And here I am talking, too. Time to go biking in Switzerland until August. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Odds are they will be better than that, but as of right now the offense still sucks until they prove otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 28, 2019 Author Share Posted June 28, 2019 10 hours ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: No I'm saying any poll or review is based on past history. I ain't making the poll. I'm confident where we're going next year and don't give a d*** what the poll says because we're bringing back a similar roster with no splash FAs to make PFF think we're any different in some lazy article. If we want to be percieved as good we oughta out our money where our mouth is. Which we're getting ready to do. Until then we can piss and moan about lazy journalism or recognize lazy journalism needs to see some more Ws in the W/L column to change their minds. Forget about getting insecure validation from lazy journalists and get our validation starting week 1 and going forward. Again how many people are sh***ing on the Browns on this board all off-season? They made flashy signings. They have questionable lockerroom leadership. We're assuming Brown's culture never changes. Goes both ways. What are lazy fans going to say about a Bills roster with not nearly the name recognition the Browns cobbled together. Let's go Bills and throw that chip on our shoulder! Thank you PFF. Are you saying having a losing season should have 0% on our perception the year after? No. I'm not saying having a losing season should be 100% either. Let's just accept PFF's challenge because they shouldn't be using that rationale... But they are brutha. What I'm saying is it's lazy analysis to constantly fall back to past performance when, allegedly, making predictions for the future. Especially when a team overhauls it's roster. If you're ranking rosters, then analyze rosters. Don't reprint last year's standings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) There is a difference in my opinion between a team and a roster. When I think of roster I think talent and when I think team is how that talent works together. For example in most seasons New England doesn’t have the most talented roster but in most years they are the best TEAM The the opposite example is the Pittsburgh Steelers. Until last years top 3 roster but no where near the best team. We may not have the best talent (pro bowls, all pro) yet but I feel like at this point the Sum of our parts are greater than parts by themselves Edited June 28, 2019 by Protocal69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) ...not surprising......even NFLN's "expert" Terrell Davis said "AB is much better off with the Raiders and Carr versus a potential disastrous QB situation in Buffalo".....who cares..... Edited June 28, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 we still won the offseason 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 PFF Sucks ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 11 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: What I'm saying is it's lazy analysis to constantly fall back to past performance when, allegedly, making predictions for the future. Especially when a team overhauls it's roster. If you're ranking rosters, then analyze rosters. Don't reprint last year's standings. Right. I said as much too. Personally I enjoy because it clearly doesn't matter on the gridiron what PFF thinks. And earning a high ranking begrudgingly from media and NFL pundits alike is much more rewarding than being an underserved preseason darling that usually disappoints. I want PFF to say we're a fluke if we go 5-0 and have to concede and say wow this 8-2 team is damned good let's run playoff seeding projections with this team I just noticed is the real deal. I want us to play our way up there. And the later PFF doesn't give us a shout-out the sweeter it would be when they simply can't ignore us for our play and not some lame preseason undeserved anointment as contender. Otherwise if we're mediocre, screw it. But I've resigned myself to knowing lazy journalism and found a way to make it another fun reason to root for the Bills to pound Patriots at Foxboro. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 On 6/27/2019 at 11:46 AM, Joe in Winslow said: I stopped at PFF ^ this guy. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 I think the #29 rating is reasonable, but still a little low. The vast majority of new players we added were pretty average. Even some "big name" guys like J Brown, F Gore & EJ Gaines are very average starters. Neither of last year's 1st rounders has played at a very high level yet and they still have a very long way to go. Of course, many fans are making absurd claims about our OL being top 5 or Josh Allen being an MVP when he's not even an average starter yet? The good news is that we have no gaping holes in the roster any more and our youngest players are in key positions to affect the direction of this team. If they turn out great, that's where we're headed. Let's just hope Beane picked the right mix of talent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 LOL, they suck. Proving there is more to playing football than analytics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmal34 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 It’s 1988. Watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) On 6/27/2019 at 2:54 PM, Royale with Cheese said: An Automotive Design Engineer needs to get on this....the car would be called the ???? Help me come up with a name for this car shaped like my junk. The Beetle or the Mini. Edited June 29, 2019 by formerlyofCtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 6 hours ago, Jrb1979 said: ^ this guy. ? You'll be hearing from my copyright attorney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, GreggTX said: I think the #29 rating is reasonable, but still a little low. The vast majority of new players we added were pretty average. Even some "big name" guys like J Brown, F Gore & EJ Gaines are very average starters. Neither of last year's 1st rounders has played at a very high level yet and they still have a very long way to go. Of course, many fans are making absurd claims about our OL being top 5 or Josh Allen being an MVP when he's not even an average starter yet? The good news is that we have no gaping holes in the roster any more and our youngest players are in key positions to affect the direction of this team. If they turn out great, that's where we're headed. Let's just hope Beane picked the right mix of talent. It's not reasonable to rate a team 5 spots lower from the year before when even adding average starters (Gore and Gaines will be backups, and excellent ones at that), never mind other players like Beasley or the half dozen OL, make the team better than it was last year. I could see rating higher than 24, but not lower and certainly not 5 spots lower. Edited June 29, 2019 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 5 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: The Beetle or the Mini. Straight to the moon Ctown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Doc said: It's not reasonable to rate a team 5 spots lower from the year before when even adding average starters (Gore and Gaines will be backups, and excellent ones at that), never mind other players like Beasley or the half dozen OL, make the team better than it was last year. I could see rating lower than 24, but not lower and certainly not 5 spots lower. Our defense alone makes this ranking a head scratcher, but it’s really all about Allen. If Allen is legit, the OL all look better, the RBs all look better, the WRs all look better and then we’re off to the races. Still, this ranking is strange given the fact we bolstered an already Top 10 Defense and then added John Brown, Cole Beasley, Mitch Morse, Ty Nsekhe and Frank Gore, let alone adding a bunch of solid OL rotation/depth, 2nd year growth from Zay & Foster and a highly drafted RT, RB and TE. Edited June 29, 2019 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Just now, SCBills said: Our defense alone makes this ranking a head scratcher, but it’s really all about Allen. If Allen is legit, the OL all look better, the RBs all look better and WRs all look better and then we’re off to the races. Still, this ranking is strange given the fact we bolstered an already Top 10 Defense and then added John Brown, Cole Beasley, Mitch Morse, Ty Nsekhe and Frank Gore, let alone adding a bunch of solid OL rotation/depth, 2nd year growth from Zay & Foster and a highly drafted RT, RB and TE. Yeah, it makes little sense. The defense should be better with the adds and the OL will definitely be improved, which will help the whole offense. If Allen progresses, this is a playoff team for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Didn't bother viewing the PFF link in the original post, but here is a PFF article I ran across on Twitter (has to be from a different writer/analyst) that lays out the reasons to like the offseason moves the Bills made from the standpoint of what Josh did well, the areas of the field they can attack and the strengths of the players they acquired. So we have a reason to like PFF again. .profootballfocus the-buffalo-bills-put-josh-allen-in-a-position-to-succeed-with-active-offseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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