Breaking: Kroft breaks foot

[EasternOHBillsFan]

The Great Seer of Bills Future sez:

 

In jury Settlement.

 

I bet he doesn't play a down for us. I'm not sour about it, just bummed it happened AGAIN.

[Mat68]

What would you offer for to Minny for Rudolph?  Could a mid rd pick make it happen?

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Excalty! Top 27 Tight end group..! 

 

My my point was they filled up the depth chart so they didn’t need to get anything they could there in the draft.  It’s gotta be better now than last year. 

 

I honestly have irrational, barely founded, high hopes for Sweeney based on 3 minutes with YouTube.... which you can basically take to the bank!

Haha.  But you don’t see the problem now?  We are going to have to depend a lot on rookies.  TE is a position that has a big adjustment period to the nfl.

 

and I know how he finished here, but Prime Clay was so much better than any TE on the roster.  I know they tried prioritize the position but they weren’t really getting super duper talent. Kroft was a 3rd TE who couldn’t beat out a guy they said had frying pans for hands. Smith is a linemen.  Knox never caught a TD in college in an offense that passed a ton.  

 

I think next to qb, this team has completely undervalued the TE position.  Allen would greatly benefit from a monster in the middle of the field to throw the ball to.  We don’t have anything close to that unless the rookies magically step up, which is a lot to put on them. 

[NoSaint]

15 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Hey, Knox. I know you never catch a td in college but guess what?  You’re starting in the nfl. 

TE is stocked???  I feel like TE is like qb for us when we haven’t seen a good one in forever that we don’t know what one looks like.  We have a bottom 5 TE group.  Better hope Knox is a hidden gem.  

 

To say it’s stocked is really shades of some posters last summer saying WR shouldn’t be a weakness 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, Mat68 said:

What would you offer for to Minny for Rudolph?  Could a mid rd pick make it happen?

 

 

I would love Rudolph on this team.  What I don’t understand about this trades is why does Minnesota, a team with SB aspirations, want to trade him?  But anything like a 3rd or lower works for me. 

[HOUSE]

Cheap Chinese shoes, I hate that

[NickelCity]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

I would love Rudolph on this team.  What I don’t understand about this trades is why does Minnesota, a team with SB aspirations, want to trade him?  But anything like a 3rd or lower works for me. 

 

 A 3rd is an interesting question. It seems high, but is that partially because we wonder why Minny wants to trade him?

[C.Biscuit97]

4 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

To say it’s stocked is really shades of some posters last summer saying WR shouldn’t be a weakness 

I remember that.  I definitely think we improved from possibly being the worst group in the nfl but we might still be bottom 5 unless some players really progress. 

 

I guess question i would have is game on the line, who does Allen throw it to knowing they will make the play?

4 minutes ago, NickelCity said:

 

 A 3rd is an interesting question. It seems high, but is that partially because we wonder why Minny wants to trade him?

Obviously, you start with a 7th and work your way up like Madden.  But I think Randolph is one of the most complete TEs in the nfl and Cousins uses his TE.  Why are they trying to trade him?

7 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Cheap Chinese shoes, I hate that

Get the Klay Thompson’s. ? 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

8 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Haha.  But you don’t see the problem now?  We are going to have to depend a lot on rookies.  TE is a position that has a big adjustment period to the nfl.

 

and I know how he finished here, but Prime Clay was so much better than any TE on the roster.  I know they tried prioritize the position but they weren’t really getting super duper talent. Kroft was a 3rd TE who couldn’t beat out a guy they said had frying pans for hands. Smith is a linemen.  Knox never caught a TD in college in an offense that passed a ton.  

 

I think next to qb, this team has completely undervalued the TE position.  Allen would greatly benefit from a monster in the middle of the field to throw the ball to.  We don’t have anything close to that unless the rookies magically step up, which is a lot to put on them. 

 

I see where you are. I have no doubt they’ll get another vet or two in here with the Kroft situation. 

 

I do think Sweeney looks like a Heath Clone.  His hands are so quick and soft, despite the lumbering frame. There just might be something there. To your point, there are 0 known quantities at present. 

 

Flip side? Clay... he averaged 15 yards per game. Any of these schmoes on the roster can fill his void as a catcher and many are better as a blocker. 

 

It was time for change. Change has brought uncertainty. There are tons of new TEs to sift through. I belive they can end up better there than last year. 

[YattaOkasan]

1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said:

Didn't like the signing and this injury comes as no surprise. Some guys just can't stay healthy and Kroft seems to fit the mold. Availability and all that jazz. The TE position is likely to hinge on whether Beane got the Knox pick right. Still, it'd be nice for THIS season IF Kroft can at least get back on the field. Tough to expect a raw rookie to step right in.

TE was always gonna hinge on if Knox works out. Agree that this is a set back because it means more lee smith. I was ok with the signing considering how deep the class was at the position.  Hopefully they can hold it together at the start of the season and Kroft is back for the tough stretch at the end. I was expecting a lot of empty sets based on last year so maybe daboll will go back to that. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

11 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

 

I guess question i would have is game on the line, who does Allen throw it to knowing they will make the play?

At least it won’t be clay in Miami?

[Rico]

Oh well... still glad Hock isn't a Bill.

[BruceVilanch]

9 hours ago, whatdrought said:

Okay, real talk though... I get ACL's and Hammys getting messed up in these type of no-contact things, but how do you break a bone?

I had several breaks of my left ankle (one being compound) and I was told by the doctor that I could break it with no contact. fast forward to about 6 years ago and I was in my late 20's and I barely tweaked it on a staircase and it broke. Really sucks, the foot is something that degrades pretty significantly once you mess it up enough.

[5ths the charm]

Our Doctor should be proud and deserves a raise.

[Turk71]

  The guy is made of porcelain. Why they would offer him 9 million guaranteed is a mystery to me. 

 Here is an excerpt from his draft profile.

. Sprained his ankle in Dec. 26 bowl game and received rehab in order to be ready for combine. During medical exams, ankle was re-injured and was unable to participate.

 

 

25 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

TE was always gonna hinge on if Knox works out. Agree that this is a set back because it means more lee smith. I was ok with the signing considering how deep the class was at the position.  Hopefully they can hold it together at the start of the season and Kroft is back for the tough stretch at the end. I was expecting a lot of empty sets based on last year so maybe daboll will go back to that. 

 It was always going to hinge on Knox? The plan was to count on a guy who didn't catch a single td in college? Why did the Bills make Kroft the 12th highest paid te in the league if that was the plan?

  Why did the Bills pay Kroft so much? What has he done to justify being the 12th highest paid? He played in 5 games last year and caught 4 ***** passes. Ridiculous.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

He won't be back. He is hurt more than Watkins

[eball]

Well that sucks. Dawson’s Creek better get up to speed fast. 

[Boca BIlls]

1 hour ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Nothing wrong other than one that isn’t good, one who is primarily a blocker, and two unproven rookies. One of which who has never caught a TD. I’d say the weakest position on the entire team just got even weaker. 

Not like Kroft was anything special. I am willing to bet any of these new guys could easily be better. They already are by not being made of glass.

[The Now Moment]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Haha.  But you don’t see the problem now?  We are going to have to depend a lot on rookies.  TE is a position that has a big adjustment period to the nfl.

 

and I know how he finished here, but Prime Clay was so much better than any TE on the roster.  I know they tried prioritize the position but they weren’t really getting super duper talent. Kroft was a 3rd TE who couldn’t beat out a guy they said had frying pans for hands. Smith is a linemen.  Knox never caught a TD in college in an offense that passed a ton.  

 

I think next to qb, this team has completely undervalued the TE position.  Allen would greatly benefit from a monster in the middle of the field to throw the ball to.  We don’t have anything close to that unless the rookies magically step up, which is a lot to put on them. 

I hope Knox makes all the haters eat crow so bad. Not even giving the guy a chance to show what he has before bashing him.  A third round pick is a fairly valuable pick for a tight end. Some of the best tight ends in the league were taken in the middle rounds of the draft.  Travis Kelce is maybe the best in the league right now and he was a third round pick...why don't we wait to see what we have in the players we brought in before making any other moves?  

Edited May 22, 2019 by Buffalo30

[LSHMEAB]

1 minute ago, Buffalo30 said:

I hope Knox makes all the haters eat crow so bad. Not even giving the guy a chance to show what he has to bash him.  A third round pick is a fairly valuable pick for a tight end. Some of the best tight ends in the league were taken in the middle rounds of the draft.  Travis Kelce is maybe the best in the league right now and he was a third round pick...why don't we wait to see what we have in the players we brought in before making any other moves?  

In fairness, Kelce put up 722 yards on 45 catches as a senior with a whopping 16 YPC. He also had 8 touchdowns.

 

When a guy doesn't score a single TD in college, there's naturally going to be skepticism. He's got the athletic ability, but there's something unsettling about a guy that didn't produce. Just have to hope he was misused at Ole Miss.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[The Now Moment]

17 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

In fairness, Kelce put up 722 yards on 45 catches as a senior with a whopping 16 YPC. He also had 8 touchdowns.

 

When a guy doesn't score a single TD in college, there's naturally going to be skepticism. He's got the athletic ability, but there's something unsettling about a guy that didn't produce. Just have to hope he was misused at Ole Miss.

I mean they had enormous WR talent at the college level and ran an offense around those receivers. The air raid type of system put 4 wrs and a rb out on the field much of the time. 

 

I think his his abilities are what matter and not his stats. He fits as a receiving target here where he can utilize his speed. Just hate how fans put a player down based on stats or the college they went to. There’s so many factors that come into play that are being overlooked that can drastically change a player’s production in college. Let’s watch him with Josh Allen throwing him the rock and see what he can do in this offense. 

[Royale with Cheese]

3 hours ago, CuddyDark said:

He's right about Beane signing poor free agents. He's right about Kroft being injured. He right about Kroft being reinjured.

 

We were in cap hell last year, we didn’t have the luxury to get a lot of free agents.

 

This season hasn’t started yet and you can already tell us our free agents are poor?

[YattaOkasan]

2 hours ago, Turk71 said:

 

 

 It was always going to hinge on Knox? The plan was to count on a guy who didn't catch a single td in college? Why did the Bills make Kroft the 12th highest paid te in the league if that was the plan?

  Why did the Bills pay Kroft so much? What has he done to justify being the 12th highest paid? He played in 5 games last year and caught 4 ***** passes. Ridiculous.

They can get out of Kroft contract pretty quickly (year 2 iirc). If you think he was the long term solution and not Knox then you’re not seeing the process. Yes Beanes plan to address the TE position long term hinges on Knox. I think a draft choice in this deep class was always the long term solution. 

[Nostradumbass]

One more camp injury and we will have to start thinking about tanking 

[Formerly Allan in MD]

Foot/toe injuries of athletes can become chronic, unless you find the right doctor.  And the very best foot doctors are few and far between.  Ask Grant Hill.

[WideNine]

1 hour ago, Buffalo30 said:

I mean they had enormous WR talent at the college level and ran an offense around those receivers. The air raid type of system put 4 wrs and a rb out on the field much of the time. 

 

I think his his abilities are what matter and not his stats. He fits as a receiving target here where he can utilize his speed. Just hate how fans put a player down based on stats or the college they went to. There’s so many factors that come into play that are being overlooked that can drastically change a player’s production in college. Let’s watch him with Josh Allen throwing him the rock and see what he can do in this offense. 

 

That is the thing. His drops and apparent lack of ability to produce in college is why there are so many ?'s around Knox.

 

The Bills watched a lot of tight ends in a deep class get taken before they decided to pull the trigger and trade back into the 3rd for Knox.

 

There is going to be some 2nd guessing around that.

 

It isn't hating on this kid if folks are wondering what Beane saw in Knox that trumped the production questions.

 

They brought the kid in for interviews/workouts prior to the draft and I do think he was the guy they were targeting so I guess we will see sooner rather than later.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

13 hours ago, Wayne Cubed said:

Saying surgery, wonder if that means rod put in the foot... which could mean longer(?)

 

When they do surgery, the intent is normally to shorten the healing time

 

[ganesh]

1 hour ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

Foot/toe injuries of athletes can become chronic, unless you find the right doctor.  And the very best foot doctors are few and far between.  Ask Grant Hill.

Definitely ask Watkins...He played through some tough injuries on his foot.

[billsfan89]

7 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

The Great Seer of Bills Future sez:

 

In jury Settlement.

 

I bet he doesn't play a down for us. I'm not sour about it, just bummed it happened AGAIN.

 

Sadly I think you are correct. Not sure if the Bills can go out there and find a vet in free agency or not (honestly have no clue who is out on the market.) Maybe Kyle Rudolph becomes an option.

[Turk71]

 

4 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Sadly I think you are correct. Not sure if the Bills can go out there and find a vet in free agency or not (honestly have no clue who is out on the market.) Maybe Kyle Rudolph becomes an option.

I wanted them to get Jesse James, he avg over 14 yds/c last year and signed with Detroit for less than Kroft got. He has played in every game for the last 3 years.

   Instead they get the injured guy who caught 4 passes in 5 games last year. Brilliant!

   

[Beast]

16 hours ago, uticaclub said:

No excuse for Trent Murphy and Star having two of the worse contracts in the NFL

 

Two of the worst contracts in the NFL?

 

You’re one of those people, huh?

[Seoulful Soul]

5 hours ago, ganesh said:

Definitely ask Watkins...He played through some tough injuries on his foot.

 

Yao Ming was forced to retire because of foot issues too.

[Shooter McGavin]

9 hours ago, Boca BIlls said:

Not like Kroft was anything special. I am willing to bet any of these new guys could easily be better. They already are by not being made of glass.

This really isn’t about Kroft. Like I said, it was already a weak position with him healthy. It’s now an even weaker position and simply assuming that we’ll be fine is off-season wishful thinking. We’ve got unproven draft picks and a blocker. Can they easily be better? 

Edited May 22, 2019 by Shooter McGavin

[vincec]

19 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

So let me get this straight...his mother and Sammy Watkins’ mother are sisters?  ?

Julio Jones broke his foot too, so he’s obviously on his way to greatness.

[Boca BIlls]

6 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

This really isn’t about Kroft. Like I said, it was already a weak position with him healthy. It’s now an even weaker position and simply assuming that we’ll be fine is off-season wishful thinking

As long as Allen throws it well we can get by, this season will come down to Allen. Can he lead this offense, they upgraded almost every position on offense. The run game will be better, the WRs are much better, the offensive line is totally remade. 

 

One TE that is injury prone won't be the outcome of how many games we win.

[Rc2catch]

Little concerning how much people are freaking out over Kroft being injured. It happens. Nothing anyone can do about it. Next man up. That GM who gives such terrible contracts as some say thankfully has an abundance of tight end options on the team. On top of other options available via trade or free agency later on. No need to freak out over an injury in May. 

[The Now Moment]

7 hours ago, WideNine said:

 

That is the thing. His drops and apparent lack of ability to produce in college is why there are so many ?'s around Knox.

 

The Bills watched a lot of tight ends in a deep class get taken before they decided to pull the trigger and trade back into the 3rd for Knox.

 

There is going to be some 2nd guessing around that.

 

It isn't hating on this kid if folks are wondering what Beane saw in Knox that trumped the production questions.

 

They brought the kid in for interviews/workouts prior to the draft and I do think he was the guy they were targeting so I guess we will see sooner rather than later.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But the person I quoted had suggested trading for Rudolph, my point was to wait and see what we have before we throw draft picks at a pricey player. That’s where it becomes bashing. Give the new faces a chance before you overlook them. 

 

His drops? He rarely dropped passes and I stated he was in a system with talented receivers that gave him very limited opportunity. 

 

Fans quick look at the stats and get disappointed or skeptical but it’s much more than that. Like I said, there are many more factors that play into stats but his abilities are what matter. Instead of looking for the next high priced option to trade for, why don’t we see what he can do first? 

 

[Rc2catch]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

But the person I quoted had suggested trading for Rudolph, my point was to wait and see what we have before we throw draft picks at a pricey player. That’s where it becomes bashing. Give the new faces a chance before you overlook them. 

 

His drops? He rarely dropped passes and I stated he was in a system with talented receivers that gave him very limited opportunity. 

 

Fans quick look at the stats and get disappointed or skeptical but it’s much more than that. Like I said, there are many more factors that play into stats but his abilities are what matter. Instead of looking for the next high priced option to trade for, why don’t we see what he can do first? 

 

 

There is definitely no reason they need to make a move now. Let the kids get the reps. 

Someone like Rudolph could end up being cut later on anyways and you won’t even have to give up anything. For now though it’s probably better to let the young guys get all the reps they can handle and prepare them to play 

[YoloinOhio]

11 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

 

There is definitely no reason they need to make a move now. Let the kids get the reps. 

Someone like Rudolph could end up being cut later on anyways and you won’t even have to give up anything. For now though it’s probably better to let the young guys get all the reps they can handle and prepare them to play 

I would definitely wait until at least TC before making a move. Unless they really really want Rudolph, just wait and see if anyone gets cut or available for trade who would cost less and maybe isn’t a FA in 2020.