RD 3, Pick 74: RB Devin Singletary, Florida Atlantic

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

4 hours ago, eball said:

 

Funny, I was just about to post the same thing. Every analyst I’ve watched thinks it was a great selection. And no, Shady isn’t going anywhere. 

 

....looks like Barnwell differs.............

Barnwell: Every NFL team's most likely candidate for post-draft trade or cut

Bill BarnwellESPN Staff Writer

 

AFC EAST

Buffalo Bills

LeSean McCoy, RB

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26632732/barnwell-every-nfl-team-most-likely-candidate-post-draft-trade-cut

 

 

[Stank_Nasty]

1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

....looks like Barnwell differs.............

Barnwell: Every NFL team's most likely candidate for post-draft trade or cut

Bill BarnwellESPN Staff Writer

 

AFC EAST

Buffalo Bills

LeSean McCoy, RB

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26632732/barnwell-every-nfl-team-most-likely-candidate-post-draft-trade-cut

 

 

I remember seeing articles through last offseason regarding the same thing. I gotta wonder when people are gonna drop it. The dude will play out the last year of his contract and most likely just be left to another team or retire. 

 

I have no clue why people bring up the money aspect. The bills will have money to spare going through 2019. McCoy’s contract won’t affect anything. When people around here or guys like barnwell bring up McCoy’s money I think it shows how little they know about the teams current situation. 

 

This isnt directed right at you. Just in general 

Edited May 1, 2019 by Stank_Nasty

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

50 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I remember seeing articles through last offseason regarding the same thing. I gotta wonder when people are gonna drop it. The dude will play out the last year of his contract and most likely just be left to another team or retire. 

 

I have no clue why people bring up the money aspect. The bills will have money to spare going through 2019. McCoy’s contract won’t affect anything. When people around here or guys like barnwell bring up McCoy’s money I think it shows how little they know about the teams current situation. 

 

This isnt directed right at you. Just in general 

 

.....exactly.....what would be the benefit according to Barnwell as far as doing something in October?....

[hemma]

even Barnwell says: "unless the Bills are in playoff contention, it wouldn't be shocking to see McCoy moved at the end of October. "

 

It doesn't take a lot of wins to be in Playoff contention when the season is less than half over.

Not too many teams have thrown in the towel at that point in the year. 

 

If we start off 0-7, more heads will be on the block than just McCoy's.

[billsherd]

Most likey Chicago screwed us by taking David Montgomery ahead of us. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

GMFB 

Week 1 AFC    O R of the week 

 

 

[FeelingOnYouboty]

17 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think if we hadn't signed Yeldon people would like the pick more. Before Yeldon we had two old running backs and I thought it was a big need that we would address in the middle rounds. When we signed Yeldon I thought they were going to leave the position alone, so I was surprised when we took Singletary. But we didn't have any kind of long term plan there so I understand it.

 

Was surprised too but Beane said he stuck to the board and took BPA and with Gore and McCoy not being here next year I can see the reasoning. I was hoping we would go RB in the mid rounds and I would've been elated with Singletary or Henderson. Glad one of them will be on the team. 

[Logic]

7 hours ago, billsherd said:

Most likey Chicago screwed us by taking David Montgomery ahead of us. 

There's just no way to know this. Panicking and picking the next best running back just because a team before us took a running back doesn't sound super Beane-like. Also, Beane mentioned that Singletary was "the most fun player to watch of all the guys he scouted all year". Furthermore, Singletary's similarities to LeSean McCoy would presumably be a viewed as an attractive component to, well...the team that currently employs an aging LeSean McCoy.

In the end, we'll always be left wondering. There's just no way to know for sure.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

25 minutes ago, Logic said:

There's just no way to know this. Panicking and picking the next best running back just because a team before us took a running back doesn't sound super Beane-like. Also, Beane mentioned that Singletary was "the most fun player to watch of all the guys he scouted all year". Furthermore, Singletary's similarities to LeSean McCoy would presumably be a viewed as an attractive component to, well...the team that currently employs an aging LeSean McCoy.

In the end, we'll always be left wondering. There's just no way to know for sure.

 

...but the good news is that NO draft pick has yet to earn the "TBD Bust" label.....YET.............

[John from Riverside]

On 4/30/2019 at 9:05 AM, WhickedWilliams said:

This is the guy we needed that isn’t a sexy pick, will get the job done when it’s game time. 

Oh I dont know.....when he is making ppl miss in the middle of the LOS and scoring touchdowns it could look VERY sexy.

[RocCityRoller]

14 hours ago, Pbomb said:

Because it wasn’t the guy they wanted that was still available  so they are bitter

 

Most of the people not liking this pick, including me, have no problems with the player.

I even understand wanting youth at the position.

 

But the DE/Edge situation is bad this year and dismal next year.

Hughes is 31 and in his last year - may be gone next year

Lawson has not earned a 5th year option - may be gone next year

Murphy does apply nice pressure, but is a lot like EJ Gaines. Good ability but lacks availability.

Even Alexander a rotational edge at this point in his career is what 35-36?

 

This was a very strong DL draft and two guys who would probably be 2nd round picks in less strong DL drafts were there for the taking.

At that 3rd round pick 2 DE were available that could come in and contribute in a rotation now. (Winovich and Ferguson)

 

Adding Ansah or Clowney fixes a lot of this, but nothing has happened on that front.

 

Plenty of good RBs were available with the second 3rd round pick if Buffalo still wanted to move up for one, and a boat load were still available in the 4th is Buffalo doesn't move.

up.
 

I'd feel more comfortable with Shady/ Gore/ Yeldon at RB this year and a hole next year. Than Hughes/Lawson/Murphy this year and a chasm next year in a weak DL draft.

 

When Buffalo moved back into the 3rd I thought it was to steal a DE, but Buffalo took a developmental TE instead and gave up picking anyone in the 4th for it.

 

I was left scratching my head, as were a lot of Bills fans.

10 hours ago, billsherd said:

Most likey Chicago screwed us by taking David Montgomery ahead of us. 

agree 100%

3 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Oh I dont know.....when he is making ppl miss in the middle of the LOS and scoring touchdowns it could look VERY sexy.

He did that against inferior competition. Even at his level a lot of guys were getting hands on him. I don't see him breaking those tackles in the NFL.

[SCBills]

I love how people advocate for Ferguson because Singletary did it against lower competition...

 

Wait... What?

[hemma]

I don’t think the Bills ever had their eyes on Winovich.

I think some guys don’t even make it to their board, which is probably pretty normal.

 

 

[Rocket94]

5 hours ago, hemma said:

I don’t think the Bills ever had their eyes on Winovich.

I think some guys don’t even make it to their board, which is probably pretty normal.

 

 

I don't either...I never sensed the fit. Frank Clark maybe.

Edited May 2, 2019 by Rocket94

[Kirby Jackson]

Heard something interesting yesterday. The Bills had Singletary ranked 30 spots higher than the next available player when they selected him. This was an absolute no-brainer to them. 

Edited May 2, 2019 by Kirby Jackson

[WhickedWilliams]

Beane has gone on record saying “Singletary” was the most fun player to watch he had scouted all year.

[Just Joshin']

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Heard something interesting yesterday. The Bills had Singletary ranked 30 spots higher than the next available player when they selected him. This was an absolute no-brainer to them. 

So BPA?  Beane should be fired for not drafting for need.

[BillsFan4]

 

sorry if this was already posted. 

[Mat68]

In a Spiller type of carry count he could be very dynamic.  I dont think he will be a 25 to 30 carry guy in the NFL.  In today's game that isnt needed.  15 to 20 touches in a Tarik Cohen or Alvin Kamara type role makes his selection make alot more sense.  

[John from Riverside]

On 4/30/2019 at 12:55 PM, Turk71 said:

Winovich is not just a high motor lunch pail guy, he is almost 260 lbs and was faster and quicker than 203 lb Singletary in the 40, 3 cone, and 20 yd shuttle. His 40 was 4th among EDGE prospects, 3 cone 3rd, and 20 yd shuttle 1st. He is an athlete with good technique and good production against high level competition. I will be surprised if he doesn't have a good career in the NFL.

How are you “quicker” in a 40

[JohnC]

On ‎5‎/‎2‎/‎2019 at 7:55 AM, Kirby Jackson said:

Heard something interesting yesterday. The Bills had Singletary ranked 30 spots higher than the next available player when they selected him. This was an absolute no-brainer to them. 

If CJ Spiller would have had the vision and instincts that Singletary has he would have been an immensely better player. Those are attributes that as a back you either have it or you don't. An argument can be made that Spiller was improperly used. But the primary reason for his lackluster career, especially compared to his prolific college career, is his not having a feel for the game. In his case his intangibles undercut his measurables. 

[GimmeSomeProcess]

15 hours ago, JohnC said:

If CJ Spiller would have had the vision and instincts that Singletary has he would have been an immensely better player. Those are attributes that as a back you either have it or you don't. An argument can be made that Spiller was improperly used. But the primary reason for his lackluster career, especially compared to his prolific college career, is his not having a feel for the game. In his case his intangibles undercut his measurables. 

Well said 

[buffaloboyinATL]

On 5/2/2019 at 9:43 AM, Just Joshin' said:

So BPA?  Beane should be fired for not drafting for need.

And if you didn’t think RB was a position of need, you should be fired.     ?

[Toesy]

19 hours ago, JohnC said:

If CJ Spiller would have had the vision and instincts that Singletary has he would have been an immensely better player. Those are attributes that as a back you either have it or you don't. An argument can be made that Spiller was improperly used. But the primary reason for his lackluster career, especially compared to his prolific college career, is his not having a feel for the game. In his case his intangibles undercut his measurables. 

Spiller didn't have the moves and elusiveness behind the LOS but in the open field he was really something-I think maybe some coach could have made him a top RB/WR hybrid-IMO he was the fastest RB-pure game speed-ever.  

[JohnC]

3 hours ago, Toesy said:

Spiller didn't have the moves and elusiveness behind the LOS but in the open field he was really something-I think maybe some coach could have made him a top RB/WR hybrid-IMO he was the fastest RB-pure game speed-ever.  

No one is questioning Spiller's speed and athleticism. He was an exceptional athlete. That's acknowledged. But if a back doesn't have the instincts to hit the right hole or adjust to the line play then as a back then he is not going to be successful. It must be pointed out that Spiller not only struggled with the Bills under their coaches but he also struggled with other teams under their coaches. He was a great college player but a failure as a pro because he lacked the intangibles and running instinct that Singletary possesses. 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

Devin Singletary was Buffalo Bills’ biggest 2019 NFL Draft reach

 

The Bills went running back earlier than they needed in an otherwise sterling draft

 

So what’s wrong with Buffalo selecting Florida Atlantic running back Devin Singletary, a player who averaged 1,429 yards on 238 carries, an average of six yards per carry, over the course of his collegiate career? The Bills spent an early third-round pick on a player with average-at-best athleticism for his position while there were other players at positions of need on the board that many analysts graded higher overall.

 

Admittedly, this is nit-picking. Singletary could very well go on to have an excellent career, and he could contribute in a Bills’ backfield that looks quite crowded now, with the aforementioned veterans combining with T.J. Yeldon and Singletary to make for a strong four-way competition for time and touches.

 

The argument could be made that it’s actually Knox, not Singletary, that was the biggest reach. Given that Singletary was selected earlier at a position that has much less value in the modern NFL, I’m inclined to go with him over the athletic tight end.

 

It was that pick that set up the chain of events where a trade-up for Knox occurred, as well, for even if the Bills didn’t take Singletary, they had a solid option in Sternberger available to them.

 

They could then have made the trade that they did to move up the board to select an edge rusher, which would have been a better choice than a running back at that time.

 

Judging value in the immediate aftermath of a draft is always a difficult, if not impossible, task. In a draft where general manager Brandon Beane and company did so much right, this was their one minor misstep.

[DisplacedBillsFan]

On 5/6/2019 at 9:59 AM, Toesy said:

Spiller didn't have the moves and elusiveness behind the LOS but in the open field he was really something-I think maybe some coach could have made him a top RB/WR hybrid-IMO he was the fastest RB-pure game speed-ever.  

When you say "some coach" I automatically think Andy Reid.

[Victory Formation]

On 5/5/2019 at 1:47 PM, Mat68 said:

In a Spiller type of carry count he could be very dynamic.  I dont think he will be a 25 to 30 carry guy in the NFL.  In today's game that isnt needed.  15 to 20 touches in a Tarik Cohen or Alvin Kamara type role makes his selection make alot more sense.  

Well, I'm curious if he can catch. If he can catch I think he can get 20-30 touches and be a dynamic threat for us.

[Mat68]

3 hours ago, NewDayBills said:

Well, I'm curious if he can catch. If he can catch I think he can get 20-30 touches and be a dynamic threat for us.

That's the question.  If he cant catch he is strictly a replacement for McCoy/Gore.  If he can, Buffalo may have found a steal.

[Young]

The kid has as much heart as Travis Henry when he ran off the field at the half in his flack jacket after scoring in excruciating pain. Hes playing for his big brother's shared dream.  I believe we have another Thurmond!  Remember how many games HE WON with his catches when everyone was covered up?  Sit back and enjoy the Devin Train.

[Big Turk]

Anyone watching that 9 minute highlight video...at 2:16 that move is unbelievable...Sanders like...he stops and literally runs sideways before going forward again...

[John from Riverside]

On 5/8/2019 at 3:12 PM, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

Devin Singletary was Buffalo Bills’ biggest 2019 NFL Draft reach

 

The Bills went running back earlier than they needed in an otherwise sterling draft

 

So what’s wrong with Buffalo selecting Florida Atlantic running back Devin Singletary, a player who averaged 1,429 yards on 238 carries, an average of six yards per carry, over the course of his collegiate career? The Bills spent an early third-round pick on a player with average-at-best athleticism for his position while there were other players at positions of need on the board that many analysts graded higher overall.

 

Admittedly, this is nit-picking. Singletary could very well go on to have an excellent career, and he could contribute in a Bills’ backfield that looks quite crowded now, with the aforementioned veterans combining with T.J. Yeldon and Singletary to make for a strong four-way competition for time and touches.

 

The argument could be made that it’s actually Knox, not Singletary, that was the biggest reach. Given that Singletary was selected earlier at a position that has much less value in the modern NFL, I’m inclined to go with him over the athletic tight end.

 

It was that pick that set up the chain of events where a trade-up for Knox occurred, as well, for even if the Bills didn’t take Singletary, they had a solid option in Sternberger available to them.

 

They could then have made the trade that they did to move up the board to select an edge rusher, which would have been a better choice than a running back at that time.

 

Judging value in the immediate aftermath of a draft is always a difficult, if not impossible, task. In a draft where general manager Brandon Beane and company did so much right, this was their one minor misstep.

And when this guy is wrong he will move onto his next prediction with no lamentation at all.....

[Steve O]

20 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

And when this guy is wrong he will move onto his next prediction with no lamentation at all.....

If you can't make it as a weather man, you can still have a future as a draft analyst

[NewCastleFanBills]

I really hope this kid makes it. The highlight videos of his games were so much fun watching. He hits the hole, and just has that IT factor. I'm really pulling for him.

[njbuff]

If you wanna make a comparison between Singletary and any player that has ever played the same position as Devin................

 

Look up Joe Morris of the Giants and Browns.

 

Same build and same running style.

 

Joe Morris was an All Pro back in 85 and 86.

 

I don't think Singletary will ever reach that status, but if he is a quality back on a quality team.................... well done.

Edited July 22, 2019 by njbuff

[Putin]

On 5/2/2019 at 6:55 AM, Kirby Jackson said:

Heard something interesting yesterday. The Bills had Singletary ranked 30 spots higher than the next available player when they selected him. This was an absolute no-brainer to them. 

 He just may very well be the best RB in this year’s draft !! 

 

Edited July 22, 2019 by Putin

[dave mcbride]

On 5/6/2019 at 1:53 PM, JohnC said:

No one is questioning Spiller's speed and athleticism. He was an exceptional athlete. That's acknowledged. But if a back doesn't have the instincts to hit the right hole or adjust to the line play then as a back then he is not going to be successful. It must be pointed out that Spiller not only struggled with the Bills under their coaches but he also struggled with other teams under their coaches. He was a great college player but a failure as a pro because he lacked the intangibles and running instinct that Singletary possesses. 

He may have had a disappointing career overall, but his 2012 season has arguably been the best season by a Bills RB since 1992. 6 ypc, 10.3 ypr, over 1700 yards from scrimmage. Let’s not forget that.

[Bill from NYC]

On ‎5‎/‎6‎/‎2019 at 9:59 AM, Toesy said:

Spiller didn't have the moves and elusiveness behind the LOS but in the open field he was really something-I think maybe some coach could have made him a top RB/WR hybrid-IMO he was the fastest RB-pure game speed-ever.  

Here we go....."really something in the open field." Tell me, how many players are bad in the open field?  "Space" was the word that was frequently used here. Spiller was said to be "good in space." In reality, the people who drafted him at #9 were in outer space.

 

And as far as pure game speed, really? The fastest ever? There are dozens who were faster and thousands who were better players.

 

He was not going to be at or near the "top" at anything except the unspeakably horrid waste of a draft pick list but of course, this is jmo.

[njbuff]

53 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Here we go....."really something in the open field." Tell me, how many players are bad in the open field?  "Space" was the word that was frequently used here. Spiller was said to be "good in space." In reality, the people who drafted him at #9 were in outer space.

 

And as far as pure game speed, really? The fastest ever? There are dozens who were faster and thousands who were better players.

 

He was not going to be at or near the "top" at anything except the unspeakably horrid waste of a draft pick list but of course, this is jmo.

 

Drafting Spiller made so much sense when they already had Lynch and Jackson.

 

Utter morons.

[RoyBatty is alive]

On 5/2/2019 at 6:55 AM, Kirby Jackson said:

Heard something interesting yesterday. The Bills had Singletary ranked 30 spots higher than the next available player when they selected him. This was an absolute no-brainer to them. 

30 Spots higher?  That means they had him going #2 in the second round?

 

A way undersized slow scat back from a tier 2 college?