Bockeye Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 Maybe this will cheer up all the "he's too slow" pundits. Smile and enjoy the process guys, he may turn out to be a good one. https://www.stack.com/a/why-the-40-yard-dash-is-overrated-as-a-test-for-running-backs As we take a look back at the running back performances from the 2016 season, one thing that stands out is that 3 of the top 4 and 8 of the top 12 "big play" RBs (defined as breaking runs of 10+ yards) ran 40-Yard Dash times of 4.57 or slower. Elliott – 4.47 (NFL Combine), 48 big plays on 322 carries Howard – 4.59 (hand-timed at Pro Day), 43 big plays on 252 carries Ajayi – 4.57 (NFL Combine), 39 big plays on 260 carries Bell – 4.60 (NFL Combine), 37 big plays on 261 carries McCoy 4.50 (hand-timed at Pro Day), 34 big plays on 234 carries D. Johnson - 4.50 (NFL Combine), 34 big plays on 293 carries D. Murray – 4.43 (NFL Combine), 32 big plays on 293 carries Freeman – 4.58 (NFL Combine), 30 big plays on 227 carries Blount – 4.74 (NFL Combine), 29 big plays on 299 carries Hyde – 4.66 (NFL Combine), 26 big plays on 217 carries Crowell – 4.57 (NFL Combine), 26 big plays on 198 carries Ingram – 4.66 (NFL Combine), 25 big plays on 205 carries 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Rocket94 said: Ferguson and Winovich were there. Obviously the Bills did not view them as highly as the pundits and talking heads. Though, I do believe that Winovich will be the consummate, over achieving Patriot. As defensive minded as I am, Singletary seems like a good choice. It's not just pundits and talking heads. The Pats and Ravens took both guys within 10 picks. They both have a pretty distinguished record when it comes to drafting defensive talent. So lets not pretend that it's just some Mel Kiper wannabees who valued and wanted those players at that pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...three yards and a cloud of dust.... I'm thinking 4.5 yards and a cloud of pixie dust. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: It's not just pundits and talking heads. The Pats and Ravens took both guys within 10 picks. They both have a pretty distinguished record when it comes to drafting defensive talent. So lets not pretend that it's just some Mel Kiper wannabees who valued and wanted those players at that pick. You are right, but lets not forget that these guys get a lot of hype. I believe that Ferguson may have some issues that concerned the Bills. Winovich should be the classic high intensity guy we see come through every year...he is really going to be hyped up if he does well with Patriots. We will probably hear what geniuses the Pats are. The Bills had to make a choice and they had to get it right. Someone mentioned earlier that McDermott has his own prototype for a DE...whoever that is...we will see. Edited April 29, 2019 by Rocket94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 28 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: It's not just pundits and talking heads. The Pats and Ravens took both guys within 10 picks. They both have a pretty distinguished record when it comes to drafting defensive talent. So lets not pretend that it's just some Mel Kiper wannabees who valued and wanted those players at that pick. Fwiw I believe the Pats* moved down after Bills selections in round 3. As stated by Beane, they had another player ranked closely that they considered before the Singletary pick. We don’t know who that was.The Bills valued other players at that spot too. The team was deficient at scoring TDs last year and are old at RB. I’m sure this all played into their decision. I don’t think they’re just throwing darts at a board in that war room. There are always options in every round. We will see if their vision for the team works out. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Fwiw I believe the Pats* moved down after Bills selections in round 3. As stated by Beane, they had another player ranked closely that they considered before the Singletary pick. We don’t know who that was.The Bills valued other players at that spot too. The team was deficient at scoring TDs last year and are old at RB. I’m sure this all played into their decision. I don’t think they’re just throwing darts at a board in that war room. There are always options in every round. We will see if their vision for the team works out. Red zone rushing (aided by Allen scrambles) 68 189 and 13 TDs (7 by Allen) - and that's inside 20. Sub 3.0 YPC. Taking out Allen you have 47 carries for 94 yards and 6 TDs. Inside 5 we had 14 carries for 1 yard and 6 TDs. The line was improved, we brought in 2 guys who can hopefully help in this area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 4 hours ago, TheBrownBear said: Travis Henry with better elusiveness? That's what I'm seeing. but not as strong as travis....not that that should matter much. gotta give henry credit in that he was impossible to tackle once he was past the line. i am looking forward to watching singletary play. he is unique and i think he will be a very effective player in the league for a long time. On 4/28/2019 at 11:51 AM, Foxx said: something like, Le'Veon Bell? that would certainly be a high honor.....even somewhat like LB would be a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 If he shows well in camp my bet is Shady gets traded for a DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: If he shows well in camp my bet is Shady gets traded for a DE. Shady wouldnt even give you a 4th round pick let alone a DE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Boca BIlls said: Shady wouldnt even give you a 4th round pick let alone a DE Depends how desperate a team gets for a RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 17 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Depends how desperate a team gets for a RB. When a contender has some unfortunate injuries...... But you’d get very little now, I’d bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 Wonder if we preferred Montgomery, who was picked shortly before we got our shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: Wonder if we preferred Montgomery, who was picked shortly before we got our shot. They had Singletary in for a visit, didn't they? Not sure about Montgomery. I don't get the sense they settled for Singletary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, NewEra said: For sure. Just effective at moving the chains. Love to see those TD numbers too. It’s all about getting in the endzone. Some guys excel at it. Not a huge fan of the pick, but love that aspect. NONE of our RB's are very good in the RZ. Shady for obvious reasons and Gore/Yeldon for reasons unbeknownst to me. Kind of like Marshawn being a relatively poor goal to go touchdown producer. This kid definitely seems to have a nose for the plane. I'll give him that much. 20 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: Wonder if we preferred Montgomery, who was picked shortly before we got our shot. I did. Edited April 29, 2019 by LSHMEAB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said: Not a huge fan of the pick, but love that aspect. NONE of our RB's are very good in the RZ. Shady for obvious reasons and Gore/Yeldon for reasons unbeknownst to me. Kind of like Marshawn being a relatively poor goal to go touchdown producer. This kid definitely seems to have a nose for the plane. I'll give him that much. And making people miss. I read something (forgot where) that said he had something like 95 forced missed tackles. Next best guy had like 60 something. That’s ridiculous 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 With all apologies to AD, dude's a witch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 39 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: With all apologies to AD, dude's a witch. Gettle-Beane is a witch? Before you take offense remember that Gettleman was a Bills scout from 1986-1993.......some pretty good years. Times were different then though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Gettle-Beane is a witch? Before you take offense remember that Gettleman was a Bills scout from 1986-1993.......some pretty good years. Times were different then though. Polian has been on Sirius talking him up and supporting him. Very slowly, with a lot of “uh” and “um”, but positive words....if you are patient enough to hear them. Time will tell as to the decision. It doesn’t affect my life. We all take our shots in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 This was the one pick I wasn't crazy about...I hope he turns out to be a good player and Beane is right about him. I felt that either Winovich, or Ferguson would have been a better option. I myself wanted Winovich here. I wouldn't have minded a trade up for Metcalf at this point if the price wasn't too high either....he might bust but prior to the draft, who would have thought he would drop to basically the 3rd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Gettle-Beane is a witch? Before you take offense remember that Gettleman was a Bills scout from 1986-1993.......some pretty good years. Times were different then though. Singletary is the witch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Here was Prisco's brief breakdown of the Bills' draft Best pick: It's first-round pick Ed Oliver. He fills a major need and will be a star down player. He has a chance to be a lot like former NFL great John Randle. Worst pick: I didn't love taking running back Devin Singletary in the third round. That might have been a bit high. The skinny: Getting Oliver and tackle Cody Ford with their first two picks were good moves. I also like fourth-round tight end Dawson Knox. This is a team that general manager Brandon Beane has moving in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, Magnum Force said: Here was Prisco's brief breakdown of the Bills' draft Best pick: It's first-round pick Ed Oliver. He fills a major need and will be a star down player. He has a chance to be a lot like former NFL great John Randle. Worst pick: I didn't love taking running back Devin Singletary in the third round. That might have been a bit high. The skinny: Getting Oliver and tackle Cody Ford with their first two picks were good moves. I also like fourth-round tight end Dawson Knox. This is a team that general manager Brandon Beane has moving in the right direction. The media has learned how to disarm Bills mafia without giving any actual props. "The Bills are moving in the right direction" Elliot Harrison said the same thing "Bills going in the right direction" on his post draft power rankings on NFL network tonight.........where he had the Bills ranked 24th..........basically 9th worst........so drafting 9th.......right where they finished last year.........despite adding 15 free agents and getting a thumbs up for their draft. The truth......that most of the media doesn't think is worth saying because Bills info is not a ratings/click factor......... is that they'll believe it when they see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Simple question to which there isn't really a correct answer....where do you think Singletary would have been drafted had the Bills not taken him at 74? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, Magnum Force said: Simple question to which there isn't really a correct answer....where do you think Singletary would have been drafted had the Bills not taken him at 74? Somewhere in the 3rd. Perhaps to New England if they preferred him over Harris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, SCBills said: Somewhere in the 3rd. Perhaps to New England if they preferred him over Harris. Did you like some other players over him at pick 74? If so, who were you hoping for ideally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Magnum Force said: Did you like some other players over him at pick 74? If so, who were you hoping for ideally? I would’ve taken DE/TE/WR. I wouldn’t have minded doubling up at TE and taking Sternberger, then still trading up for Knox. I would’ve taken a RB later like Homer or Williams. Obviously hindsight is 20/20, and we don’t know if they have anything in the works between now and the season, but this RB, at that spot, is the last thing I would’ve done. He may very well be the next Shady McCoy - The tape is filthy, but I’m going to have to see him do it against NFL competition, because I’m not at all sold on his size, speed and level of competition. Edited April 30, 2019 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, SCBills said: I would’ve taken DE/TE/WR. I wouldn’t have minded doubling up at TE and taking Sternberger, then still trading up for Knox. I would’ve taken a RB later like Homer or Williams. Obviously hindsight is 20/20, and we don’t know if they have anything in the works between now and the season, but this RB, at that spot, is the last thing I would’ve done. He may very well be the next Shady McCoy - The tape is filthy, but I’m going to have to see him do it against NFL competition, because I’m not at all sold on his size, speed and level of competition. I was hoping Winovich ….I like the Knox pick....but like you, I am hoping for the best with Singletary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 11 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: The media has learned how to disarm Bills mafia without giving any actual props. "The Bills are moving in the right direction" Elliot Harrison said the same thing "Bills going in the right direction" on his post draft power rankings on NFL network tonight.........where he had the Bills ranked 24th..........basically 9th worst........so drafting 9th.......right where they finished last year.........despite adding 15 free agents and getting a thumbs up for their draft. The truth......that most of the media doesn't think is worth saying because Bills info is not a ratings/click factor......... is that they'll believe it when they see it. I agree. The Bills are not "sexy" for them to talk about so they will wait until they can't ignore it. But when that day comes (i.e., 5-1 or something like that) they'll ramble on about "how much better the league is when the Bills are relevant." 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhickedWilliams Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 This is the guy we needed that isn’t a sexy pick, will get the job done when it’s game time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 On 4/29/2019 at 12:05 PM, Rocket94 said: You are right, but lets not forget that these guys get a lot of hype. I believe that Ferguson may have some issues that concerned the Bills. Winovich should be the classic high intensity guy we see come through every year...he is really going to be hyped up if he does well with Patriots. We will probably hear what geniuses the Pats are. The Bills had to make a choice and they had to get it right. Someone mentioned earlier that McDermott has his own prototype for a DE...whoever that is...we will see. Winovich is not just a high motor lunch pail guy, he is almost 260 lbs and was faster and quicker than 203 lb Singletary in the 40, 3 cone, and 20 yd shuttle. His 40 was 4th among EDGE prospects, 3 cone 3rd, and 20 yd shuttle 1st. He is an athlete with good technique and good production against high level competition. I will be surprised if he doesn't have a good career in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Turk71 said: Winovich is not just a high motor lunch pail guy, he is almost 260 lbs and was faster and quicker than 203 lb Singletary in the 40, 3 cone, and 20 yd shuttle. His 40 was 4th among EDGE prospects, 3 cone 3rd, and 20 yd shuttle 1st. He is an athlete with good technique and good production against high level competition. I will be surprised if he doesn't have a good career in the NFL. Oh I agree...I like him myself and I would have loved him here. The Bills are obviously looking somewhere else. I thought for sure the Bills would select him. NE will certainly know how to utilize him and yes, he should have a good career. However, I like Singletary. He plays must faster than combine scores...this has been discussed. One more thing about Winovich...I think the Bills are looking for a different prototype for DE. Edited April 30, 2019 by Rocket94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 37 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: Oh I agree...I like him myself and I would have loved him here. The Bills are obviously looking somewhere else. I thought for sure the Bills would select him. NE will certainly know how to utilize him and yes, he should have a good career. However, I like Singletary. He plays must faster than combine scores...this has been discussed. One more thing about Winovich...I think the Bills are looking for a different prototype for DE. My comment wasn't regarding the Bills choice of Singletary, just felt that Winovich is being a bit mischaracterized. It is interesting to me though that the Bills had Singletary as best player available there. I could not find a single big board on line that felt the same, although I am sure there must be some out there. Another guy the Bills passed on here that I think is gonna be good and will be a matchup nightmare is Hakeem Butler. You can't teach 6'5" 230lb and 4.48 speed. He had too many drops but excels at contested catches down the field and had more 20+ yd receptions than anyone in the draft. He also is an aggressive beast with the ball after the catch, regularly crumpling cbs. I am definitely rooting for Singletary to succeed and I mostly loved the Bills draft. This was one spot where I questioned their board. Hoping that they were right and I was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 I am seeing a lot of on line chatter (by ppl that are not bills fans) that Singletary was their TOP running back in this draft...... As in...the best one This is opposed to Winovich which was rated what......top 5? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 I have heard that the Bills had an alternate choice besides Singletary at that spot. Who it was is anyone's guess...perhaps Winovich? As much as I like Winovich and even Zach Allen, the Bills may have been measuring the pick with a predetermined solution at DE later. We already know that they had some dialogue with Frank Clark, Ansah and Clowney. They obviously like what they have in Singletary and they want to see how he plays out. As far as Receivers are concerned, we tend to forget the emergence of Foster (which I believe is genuine) and the acquisition of John Brown. That is a potentially deadly combination for Josh Allen and an improved offensive line. As much as I love defense, the Bills had only so much to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 ...Beep....Beep............... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 4 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I am seeing a lot of on line chatter (by ppl that are not bills fans) that Singletary was their TOP running back in this draft...... As in...the best one This is opposed to Winovich which was rated what......top 5? Bills fans seem to be the most critical of the pick. Lots of analysts and “online scouts” think he’s a stud. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, SCBills said: Bills fans seem to be the most critical of the pick. Lots of analysts and “online scouts” think he’s a stud. I think if we hadn't signed Yeldon people would like the pick more. Before Yeldon we had two old running backs and I thought it was a big need that we would address in the middle rounds. When we signed Yeldon I thought they were going to leave the position alone, so I was surprised when we took Singletary. But we didn't have any kind of long term plan there so I understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 3 hours ago, SCBills said: Bills fans seem to be the most critical of the pick. Lots of analysts and “online scouts” think he’s a stud. Funny, I was just about to post the same thing. Every analyst I’ve watched thinks it was a great selection. And no, Shady isn’t going anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 7 hours ago, SCBills said: Bills fans seem to be the most critical of the pick. Lots of analysts and “online scouts” think he’s a stud. Because it wasn’t the guy they wanted that was still available so they are bitter 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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