Chris Hogan makes a stop in Charlotte prior to Canton

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

14 minutes ago, Gigs said:

Anybody could've been Hogan

Any Buddy could have been Hogan?!  How he do that?!

 

Howie was Buddy?  And he was Hogan?!

 

No, Andy was a rock!  Hogan was lucky.

Edited April 12, 2019 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Not enough >>>>>'s. Milano in the fifth has been the best draft choice of the Beane/McDermott era. "All he does is make plays" in my Buddy Ryan accent even though I can't recall his voice.

Just remember how angry so many people here were when the pats “stole” gillislee from us.  *cough* BADOL. 

[LSHMEAB]

Just now, NewEra said:

Just remember how angry so many people here were when the pats “stole” gillislee from us.  *cough* BADOL. 

I'm guilty as well. I don't think we realized just how valuable Kromer was when he was here. Obviously Roman and Lynn had a solid run scheme as well, but Kromer is terrific at his job. Made the likes of Gillislee look a lot better than they actually were. It would awesome if this Bob Johnson character can grow into the position. Can't do any worse. A vacancy at OL coach/run game coordinator>Castillo.

[MrEpsYtown]

24 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Not enough >>>>>'s. Milano in the fifth has been the best draft choice of the Beane/McDermott era. "All he does is make plays" in my Buddy Ryan accent even though I can't recall his voice.

 

Man we got a gem becuase he pulled his hammy on that 40 at the combine. It all worked out nicely so far.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

And there it is!!! Why did he do to you Kirby?  

 

Quick story: I went to Syracuse football camp and McNabb was there because my high school coach used to coach there.  Anyways, we got pizza and I only had one slice but was getting excited to have some more later.  So McNabb talks to us for awhile and afterwards, he takes the rest of the pizza!  MFer!!! So for a long time, I irrationally hated McNabb! And former Sabre Derek Roy crop dusted me when we were talking to a group of girls.  So I hated him too.

 

so did hogan steal your pizza or crop dust you? And can you just admit, once and for all, you took the L on the Hogan- Da’Rick debate?

 

Hogan/Da'Rick Debate? There was no winner on that one. Both suck.

27 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Not enough >>>>>'s. Milano in the fifth has been the best draft choice of the Beane Whaley/McDermott era. "All he does is make plays" in my Buddy Ryan accent even though I can't recall his voice.

 

Fixed. Beane was still in Carolina, and Whaley's best talent was picking LBs for schemes.

[LSHMEAB]

5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Hogan/Da'Rick Debate? There was no winner on that one. Both suck.

 

Fixed. Beane was still in Carolina, and Whaley's best talent was picking LBs for schemes.

Correct. But come on man, let me throw Beane a bone! I criticize him enough.

[transient]

The only way Hogan sees Canton is if he's asked to hold Marsha's joc... hmmm... not sure... what's the... gender appropriate... term... I dunno... ?mangina strap? on that unholy day when Mrs. Bundchen is inducted into the HOF.

[NewEra]

50 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

I'm guilty as well. I don't think we realized just how valuable Kromer was when he was here. Obviously Roman and Lynn had a solid run scheme as well, but Kromer is terrific at his job. Made the likes of Gillislee look a lot better than they actually were. It would awesome if this Bob Johnson character can grow into the position. Can't do any worse. A vacancy at OL coach/run game coordinator>Castillo.

Yeah, I liked gillislee too.  It just seemed to me like he was running through huge holes or would hit the outside with no one there. His burst seemed excellent though.

 

Some saw it as losing an asset to the pats.  Some saw it like we got a free 5th rd pick from the pats.  I saw it as our front office knows more than the guy on the couch, we’ll see

Edited April 12, 2019 by NewEra

[Not at the table Karlos]

5 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

That pick turned out to Milano.

 

I was upset when they lost him. Partially because it was the pats**** that took him and partially because Whaley wouldnt give him a higher tender to recoup a draft pick if he left. It was poor management and showed me he didn't know how to keep his players

I dont think we got a pick for Hogan.  I think the milano pick was Gillislee

[Not at the table Karlos]

1 hour ago, Misterbluesky said:

I loved him as a Bill...blue collar,rode his bicycle to the stadium for practices and games...even in the winter when he would put the breaks on his bike and help people shovel snow.Dude never took a lazy day off..

Talent-C+

Heart-A+

Effort-A+

Was that hogan or Bryan Scott with the bike?

 

I wouldnt give hogans effort an A+ he would constantly run a yard short of the first down marker and could have fought harder to get there. 

 

I would give him a C across the board

[H2o]

[GunnerBill]

Good signing for Carolina. 

[Kirby Jackson]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

And there it is!!! Why did he do to you Kirby?  

 

Quick story: I went to Syracuse football camp and McNabb was there because my high school coach used to coach there.  Anyways, we got pizza and I only had one slice but was getting excited to have some more later.  So McNabb talks to us for awhile and afterwards, he takes the rest of the pizza!  MFer!!! So for a long time, I irrationally hated McNabb! And former Sabre Derek Roy crop dusted me when we were talking to a group of girls.  So I hated him too.

 

so did hogan steal your pizza or crop dust you? And can you just admit, once and for all, you took the L on the Hogan- Da’Rick debate?

I’ve never been shy about that. The people that I know that know him think that he is a total a-hole!! They were telling a story of him all drunk in Vegas at a table and he was mad that the kid at the table took a hit (blackjack). The guy next to him said “chill out man” and hogan blew his cigarette in his face!! That’s one of a handful of stories like that. I don’t know why you defend this scrub so much? 

 

I honestly still believe that given the same opportunity Rogers could have caught 2 balls for 30 yards a game. I have no doubt about that.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said:

"All he does is make plays" in my Buddy Ryan accent even though I can't recall his voice.

You forgot “Rex, quit acting like an idiot!  Rob, put down that rib roast!”

11 minutes ago, H2o said:

For a minute, I figured that was the bust that Adam West would flip back to access the Batpoles, to get to the Batcave.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Yes. Chris Hogan is a joke.

 

...agreed..Belichick wastes his time signing jokes...go figure......kinda like his "jokes"....SMH...........

[msw2112]

Hogan is a good NFL WR3.  Since the time he left the Bills, our WR core has been horrible and he is better than most of the guys we had.  At the time, it weakened our roster to lose him, and it sucked to lose him to a division rival.  He was a solid contributor in NE and will likely be one in Carolina too.  Not much to be overly excited about.  I'd wish him luck, but a few posters indicated that the guy is a douche off the field, so I hope he flames out.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

6 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

season high in NE was only ever 680 and if you come on this board the last couple years you would have thought we let a first ballot wr walk..... never understood the hype.

 

I belive the hype might have been that some swore he was the worst WR in all football history (NFL, CFL arena) scourge of the earth stuff and others refuted saying.. “eh he’s ok, actually pretty athletic and gets open. Had some drops due to a bum shoulder” to which haters said oh yeah I guess we’ll look for his bust in canton. 

 

It was something like that 

2 hours ago, Misterbluesky said:

I loved him as a Bill...blue collar,rode his bicycle to the stadium for practices and games...even in the winter when he would put the breaks on his bike and help people shovel snow.Dude never took a lazy day off..

Talent-C+

Heart-A+

Effort-A+

 

Might be the best fair summary we've seen 

Edited April 12, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[artmalibu]

7 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

season high in NE was only ever 680 and if you come on this board the last couple years you would have thought we let a first ballot wr walk..... never understood the hype.

 

I was a Hogan supporter, but never thought he was great.  But, he was better than most of the clowns that were on the roster, and better than most until this year.   

[dollars 2 donuts]

7 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

season high in NE was only ever 680 and if you come on this board the last couple years you would have thought we let a first ballot wr walk..... never understood the hype.

 

 

Because for the last couple of yours 680 around here would look pretty good.

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’ve never been shy about that. The people that I know that know him think that he is a total a-hole!! They were telling a story of him all drunk in Vegas at a table and he was mad that the kid at the table took a hit (blackjack). The guy next to him said “chill out man” and hogan blew his cigarette in his face!! That’s one of a handful of stories like that. I don’t know why you defend this scrub so much? 

 

I honestly still believe that given the same opportunity Rogers could have caught 2 balls for 30 yards a game. I have no doubt about that.

The Patriot Way

[bigK14094]

8 hours ago, MJS said:

Well he pretty much did the same there as he did here. Pretty similar stats. And Hogan was in the league before we picked him up. We just gave him playing time.

Yes, Phins

[The Frankish Reich]

7 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Bashing the Bills for letting him go is hardly "you would have thought we let a first ballot wr walk," as said above, or the snideness of "prior to Canton" in the headline. 

 

And that's the kind of stuff that always gets said, never by folks who like Hogan. Always by people making fun of the folks who criticized the Hogan cut. If anything it proves the original point. The actual criticism was extremely reasonable. That's why the folks who didn't like it even to this day have to wildly exaggerate what was actually said.

 

Whaley cut Hogan largely because he'd been such a spendthrift that we were in cap trouble despite being a team that was at best mediocre. We were in such crap shape that they could give Hogan only a minimum salary one year tender. Whaley tried to keep him, and couldn't. And the cheap-ass Pats gave him $4 mill a year over three years, and structured the contract to stop Buffalo from matching.

 

"The Patriots signed Hogan to a three-year, $12 million offer sheet that will have a high amount of guaranteed money. ESPN's Adam Schefter reported that the three-year offer sheet will feature a $5.5 million salary cap hit for the 2016 season. With a $5.5 million cap hit for the upcoming season, the Bills would have been left with under $1 million in current cap space -- making their ability to match the offer sheet highly unlikely. The Bills chose to use the lowest possible tender on Hogan, which gave them a cap hit of $1.671 million, and in doing so they only assured themselves the right of first refusal for the wide receiver. The Bills did not match the offer sheet, and because it's the lowest tender, they will receive no draft pick compensation from New England."

 

https://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/bills-decline-offer-hogan-headed-to-patriots

 

Incompetence, poor cap handling, tendering him for less than half of what he eventually got per year and being outsmarted and outmaneuvered by Belichick. Of course we were pissed. Rightly so.

 

You didn't have to think Hogan was Megatron to think the Bills *****ed that up. Hell, you didn't have to think Hogan was an above average #3 receiver. He'd been the 3rd most productive WR on the Bills. During his first year with the Patriots, we brought in Percy Harvin for $6 mill and got nothing. Woods was our most productive WR with 613 yards, Watkins and Goodwin were #2 and #3 with 430 and 431 yards. But yeah, we had all the receivers we needed. Justin Hunter was our #4 with 189. And Hogan got 680 on 58 targets and 38 catches in NE, and that would have made him the most productive on our team.

 

People were pissed because how it happened was utterly stupid, because they could have had him for a lot less than Belichick - a fairly smart cookie, they say -ended up paying him, and because he was a decent player replaced by guys who weren't as good. It was a move that sucked.

 

 

Finally ... a voice of reason. There may have been Bills fans somewhere who thought Hogan was some kind of #1 receiver in the making. I do not know any of these fans. I do know a lot of Bills fans who saw letting Hogan go as just another example of what happened under the Whaley regime: a solid contributor at an affordable price, lost to a team that always seemed to be a step ahead of us. 

[ganesh]

10 hours ago, MJS said:

That's simply not true. Hogan had a cult of pissed off followers that continually bashed the Bills for letting him go.

The Bills were in deep cap trouble and they couldn't sign a 3rd or 4th WR on the team for a $16-20M deal (as that would have been his asking rate for staying back with the Bills). 

 

 

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

He was a good guy and a high effort guy.  He was not a game changer that could justify the money that the Cheatriots paid him.  Contrary to the revisionists, there were large numbers of people that were apoplectic over his loss.  Even the local and national news media pushed the narrative that this was a big loss.

At the time it seemed more important than it was because the Bills' roster was fairly weak.  His effort had been a positive on a team that had a shortage of effort and results.

I hope he does well ( just not against the Bills )and stays healthy.

[Johnnycage46]

11 hours ago, MJS said:

Solid depth WR who I was sad to let go, but honestly the lamentation of his departure was blown way out of proportion. He's nothing more than a 3rd or 4th WR.

 

And Mike Gillislee was a win for this organization. Picked up a street free agent, got some TD's from him, and stole a draft pick from the Patriots when they signed him. Then he did nothing there.

 

Love the use of lamentation...Conan would be proud!

[MAJBobby]

He was ALWAYS JAG 

[TigerJ]

On 4/12/2019 at 12:08 PM, RiotAct said:

awesome thread title ?

Does Chris Hogan have a friend being inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame?  There must be some reason he's planning to go to Canton.

[Solomon Grundy]

He's going to visit the HOF?

[NoSaint]

On 4/12/2019 at 10:28 AM, Stank_Nasty said:

season high in NE was only ever 680 and if you come on this board the last couple years you would have thought we let a first ballot wr walk..... never understood the hype.

 

It wasn’t about how good he was but how bad the alternatives we had were and how easy it should’ve been to just keep him. 

 

 

[GreggTX]

Who's going to Canton?

[C.Biscuit97]

On 4/12/2019 at 5:50 PM, Kirby Jackson said:

I’ve never been shy about that. The people that I know that know him think that he is a total a-hole!! They were telling a story of him all drunk in Vegas at a table and he was mad that the kid at the table took a hit (blackjack). The guy next to him said “chill out man” and hogan blew his cigarette in his face!! That’s one of a handful of stories like that. I don’t know why you defend this scrub so much? 

 

I honestly still believe that given the same opportunity Rogers could have caught 2 balls for 30 yards a game. I have no doubt about that.

Well D’Rick didn’t and no other team thought he was good enough.  But he can tell his kids that he could have been better than the guy who started on 3 SB teams.  

[HappyDays]

On 4/12/2019 at 1:08 PM, Mr. WEO said:

Look at the fawning over the signing of tiny JAG Cole Beasley--one dimensional player who needs nearly 90 targets to get as many yards as Hogan gets in under 60. but he, like Hogan, fills a role---just a more limited one.

 

Terrible comparison. There's a reason Cole Beasley got signed for a 4 year $29 million contract, and Hogan is getting a 1 year deal with a maximum of $2 million for the year. Beasley is one of the best slot receivers in the league, Hogan is someone you borrow for a year while you wait for the real thing.

[HappyDays]

On 4/12/2019 at 1:40 PM, C.Biscuit97 said:

only Bills fans can think a guy who started for the Pats isn’t good enough for us.

 

Hogan wasn't good for the Pats either. Yeah he produced some. So did Philip Dorsett. Wide receiver was a major weakness for them last year and Hogan was one of the problems. Of course with Brady throwing the ball anyone would produce. There's a reason they're letting him walk for a $2 million contract. If he was on the Bills any of the past three years he wouldn't have made a significant difference. Right now he'd be an underdog to make the team.

On 4/12/2019 at 2:24 PM, Kirby Jackson said:

He’s Andre Holmes that did a stint with Tom Brady.

 

This is a perfect comparison. Andrew Holmes had a season with 700 yards and 4 TDs, with a rookie Derek Carr throwing him the ball. Sometimes average or bad players produce for a season. At the end of the day he is still Andre Holmes.

[C.Biscuit97]

21 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Hogan wasn't good for the Pats either. Yeah he produced some. So did Philip Dorsett. Wide receiver was a major weakness for them last year and Hogan was one of the problems. Of course with Brady throwing the ball anyone would produce. There's a reason they're letting him walk for a $2 million contract. If he was on the Bills any of the past three years he wouldn't have made a significant difference. Right now he'd be an underdog to make the team.

 

This is a perfect comparison. Andrew Holmes had a season with 700 yards and 4 TDs, with a rookie Derek Carr throwing him the ball. Sometimes average or bad players produce for a season. At the end of the day he is still Andre Holmes.

Nah unless we playing the “Da’Rick would have done the same made up stats” game.  Dude is far from a star but he made a career out of nothing and had a better career than 75% of guys drafted.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HolmAn00.htm

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HogaCh00.htm

[HappyDays]

12 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

had a better career than 75% of guys drafted.

 

Sure, because 75% of drafted players don't even become JAGs. He was worthy of starting for a team that lacked talent at receiver. He was good enough to produce as a #3 WR for a couple of seasons with the greatest QB of all time throwing him the ball. By NFL standards that's a solid career. But it doesn't mean we lost out on anything when he walked.

[ricko1112]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

Hogan wasn't good for the Pats either. Yeah he produced some. So did Philip Dorsett. Wide receiver was a major weakness for them last year and Hogan was one of the problems. Of course with Brady throwing the ball anyone would produce. There's a reason they're letting him walk for a $2 million contract. If he was on the Bills any of the past three years he wouldn't have made a significant difference. Right now he'd be an underdog to make the team.

 

This is a perfect comparison. Andrew Holmes had a season with 700 yards and 4 TDs, with a rookie Derek Carr throwing him the ball. Sometimes average or bad players produce for a season. At the end of the day he is still Andre Holmes.

Good comparison. Hogan wasn't expected to be a #1 for my Pats. He was signed to be a #3/4. He averaged 35 or so receptions with decent yardage. He came up huge in the 2016 playoffs. In short, he did his job...

[Mr. WEO]

20 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Terrible comparison. There's a reason Cole Beasley got signed for a 4 year $29 million contract, and Hogan is getting a 1 year deal with a maximum of $2 million for the year. Beasley is one of the best slot receivers in the league, Hogan is someone you borrow for a year while you wait for the real thing.

 

20 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Hogan wasn't good for the Pats either. Yeah he produced some. So did Philip Dorsett. Wide receiver was a major weakness for them last year and Hogan was one of the problems. Of course with Brady throwing the ball anyone would produce. There's a reason they're letting him walk for a $2 million contract. If he was on the Bills any of the past three years he wouldn't have made a significant difference. Right now he'd be an underdog to make the team.

 

This is a perfect comparison. Andrew Holmes had a season with 700 yards and 4 TDs, with a rookie Derek Carr throwing him the ball. Sometimes average or bad players produce for a season. At the end of the day he is still Andre Holmes.

 

NE had 2 WR with over 700 yards, a TE with over 650 and RB with 750.  They weren't hurting for WR's.  Hogan, as the #4 or #5 option had 532 yards on 35 catches (that's 15.2 per)----and he was "one of the problems"....how?

 

Talk Cowboys (a team that will have major weakness at WR right now) let Beasley walk for the loose change Jerry finds in his sofa.  Dak Prescott isn't exactly Tom Brady.  Why would they Beasely go when his QB will really be missing his slot target next season.   Plus, Jerry's going to have to waste a LOT of money on Cooper after this season...