Happy Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 46 minutes ago, Rico said: A whole lot of talented losers. Let's not pretend that coaching (Marrone and Rex) didn't have a lot to do with the mediocre records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) Just now, Happy Gilmore said: Let's not pretend that coaching (Marrone and Rex) didn't have a lot to do with the mediocre records. Similar records to McDermott by the way. Funny how we view things. Edited March 8, 2019 by TheTruthHurts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 6-10. Yes he is the best GM in the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 If Josh Allen turns into our franchise QB, than absolutely. If not then maybe/maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, TheTruthHurts said: Similar records to McDermott by the way. Funny how we view things. Yes, true. The difference now is that I believe McD has a vision of the team he wants. Marrone seemed to muddle through things, along with his sidekick, Hackett. Rex was a disorganized boob and a blow-hard. Not to make this a Whaley thread, as we've had enough of those, but it is hard to see any GM succeeding with those two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Irv said: But, he seems to have a solid plan in place. He does? What's the plan? All I see is Allen. If Allen works out then "the plan" works out, if Allen doesn't work out, and very likely requiring an enormous improvement in his passing game beginning this season, then McBeane will have 2020 at the most to make the playoffs and prove whatever plan it is. Allen's going to have to make HUGE strides in red zone performance in order to prove that "the plan" is working. The thing that he doesn't have going for him is that there's no need for a strong-arm in the red zone. Either way, I see no evidence of any plan yet other than having traded up a bunch of day-1 & 2 picks to get Allen last year. And agree with K-9, it's not exactly like the bar for best GM since Polian has been set very high, it's a below-average standard. Butler was arguably the best but he had remnants of Polian's talent to work with. Donahoe, Levy, Brandon, Nix, and Whaley were all below-average. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 It's too early to tell. I will concede that he is off to a good start. One or two good drafts and a handful of middle of the pack free agents doesn't define him as a great GM. If Beane can continue this roster building trend over a period of years and seriously contend for multiple championships, then he will be looked at very favorably. Other than Polian, the rest of our GM's have been below average. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 hour ago, CardinalScotts said: I think he's going to be better than Polian - Bill was not very good at drafting players but he did a good job with free agents and finding guys late I respectfully completely disagree with your statement: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/draft.htm Check out 1984-1992. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 My vote would be yes his actions to this point have proven that he has a solid plan & is implementing it in every move he makes . Some moves work others don't but he's not made the ridiculous moves like were made to bring Sammy W in when other players were there as good or better . Every move is planned out & thought through to make the Bills a better team i think the Bills are in a good spot with him at the helm !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv001 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Like that Beane and McDermott appear to work well together. From my perspective, Beane hasn't been on the job long enough to for a rating. Although I do like what he has done so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 It's impossible to answer this thread today because it's way too early. I think so far Beane has exhibited moves and decisions that puts him in the "very good" category. You can see he has a plan to point this team in the right direction. This FA/ draft will all be about improving the offense around JA. If he truly did troll AB/Steelers, that's brilliant! You won't be able to accurately discuss Brandon's legacy until after the 2020 season. In my book McB both get 4 full years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 He's had one draft. Let's give him more time before anointing him anything good or bad. His effectiveness as a GM is directly tied to the results on the football field. If the Bills win, he'll be heralded, if the team loses, he'll be run out of town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Is he even better than Whaley yet? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Let's calm down. He's had 1 draft. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, gjv001 said: Like that Beane and McDermott appear to work well together. From my perspective, Beane hasn't been on the job long enough to for a rating. Although I do like what he has done so far. So far offensively they've been a disaster and the avoidance of further disaster depends 100% on Allen becoming a franchise QB. Defensively they've been OK, but signing guys like Lotolulei for what they gave him and this overreliance on ex-Carolinians hasn't been good. Other than draft picks they really haven't added a whole lot that's notable, and in the front-7 they've added nothing apart from Edmunds and Milano. Given that most of their resources have gone to the defense I had expected more. Like I said elsewhere, everyone looks at the sole indicator of the 2nd-ranked yardage D but completely ignores the same 18th-ranked scoring D that we had last year except with allowing one more point-per-game, coupled with the 30th-ranked red zone D and the worst red zone D that we've had since 2003 at least, and only stopping there because I couldn't find out red zone D rankings prior to that. Having said that, it would seem that perceptions, whatever they are, on average are greater than the actual status of the team, meaning that we overachieved this past season. Either way, the team overall is worse now than it was when they had it handed to them, at least from a talent perspective. If after this season that hasn't changed, well, not sure how they avoid terminal criticism. If Allen doesn't become at least an above-average passer this season and if we don't win at least 9 games, McBeane will be "on-the-clock" as it were. The problem there is that Allen's gotta make an enormous leap in his passing in order to be able to achieve that. Not sure whether that's going to happen. Edited March 8, 2019 by TaskersGhost 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 He can dismantle a team. Has yet to prove he can build one. Signs are looking good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Irv said: We have the 4th highest cap space available this year and are projected to have the highest in 2020. I'd also rather have little cap space and good players. The good teams may have no cap space, but guess what? 5 minutes ago, bmur66 said: He can dismantle a team. Has yet to prove he can build one. Signs are looking good. Agree on the first two points. On the third one, he's got quite a bit of building to do. This team is far from playoff competitive and with essentially needs at every single position offensively, besides Allen, upon who he'll sink or swim, and quite a few needs in the front-7 on D, that's too much work to do in one offseason. He'll have to have an A+ draft, not according to the post-draft commentary, but in reality this coming season, if he wants to have a serious chance at saving his job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 24 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: Is he even better than Whaley yet? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 22 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: Is he even better than Whaley yet? No one called Whaley when he was fired to be a GM. I think it’s safe to say the Bean is the better GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubbaT Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Can he at least have 2 drafts before we anoint him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Butler was a good GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VADC Bills Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 hour ago, TheTruthHurts said: The Bills Nix/Whaley built were loaded with talent. I don't care what anyone says. They hired the wrong coach in 2015. Agreed. Our playoff slump would have ended a year earlier if not for Rex. Beane has not done anything yet. He should Thank Whaley's talent assessments and McD's coaching for ending the drought. I am hopeful for the upcoming season but my concern is can Beane build a team. He has never done that before. My vote goes to Butler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) Ultimately Allen will decide whether Beane is a good GM or not. We've had some good teams, with top running teams and top defensive teams. Just being in a healthy cap situation isn't a sign of a good GM. They do to some degree and build the team they want. In other words, Beane will spend the money and we'll see what type of team he fills it up with. The failure of the previous regime's has largely been the inability to find a QB. Edited March 8, 2019 by White Linen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 hour ago, TaskersGhost said: I'd also rather have little cap space and good players. The good teams may have no cap space, but guess what? Agree on the first two points. On the third one, he's got quite a bit of building to do. This team is far from playoff competitive and with essentially needs at every single position offensively, besides Allen, upon who he'll sink or swim, and quite a few needs in the front-7 on D, that's too much work to do in one offseason. He'll have to have an A+ draft, not according to the post-draft commentary, but in reality this coming season, if he wants to have a serious chance at saving his job. Totally agree. It’s going to be exciting to see how FA and the draft play out. It’s pretty close to a blank slate right now and I really like Allen. I think protecting him should be priority no. 1 this season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 He’s accomplished nothing so far. This is a ridiculous question 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 4 hours ago, Irv said: Yes - we've had some terrible GM's. But, he seems to have a solid plan in place. We have the 4th highest cap space available this year and are projected to have the highest in 2020. He arguably got the franchise QB we needed. The fans seem engaged. If we make the playoffs this year, I'd argue that he is one of the best GM's in the league and the best since Bills GM since Polian. going no further YEP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I love what Beane is doing. Great GM, we are lucky to have him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 4 hours ago, nucci said: Having highest cap space makes you a great GM? That seems to be the goal for a lot of fans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Bangarang said: He’s accomplished nothing so far. This is a ridiculous question nothing? I would wouldn't say he's done nothing unless of course you feel his first draft wont be a successful one? allen alone says he's likely drafted the best QB the bills have seen since kelly. so no, I wouldn't say he's done nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 7 hours ago, frostbitmic said: He's definitely better than Russ Brandon and Marv but it's too early for the anointing oil... I am hopeful though. Those 2 weren't really GMs. The dregs you didn't mention: Buddy Nix and Whaley. Any one of the posters here showing on day one post-Whaley would have been the best since Polian.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Those 2 weren't really GMs. But they really were The dregs you didn't mention: Buddy Nix and Whaley. I try and pretend they never existed Any one of the posters here showing on day one post-Whaley would have been the best since Polian.... Sadly true 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Much too soon to tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 time will tell. It probably all comes down to Josh Allen. If he becomes all pro then it will go down that way. If he flunks out he will just be another one of the GM's since Polian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 No one was worse than Levy. As for Beane, so far he gets a C-. He created the salary cap situation and admitted he did not put a competitive team together for 2018. I liked the KB trade at the time but in the end it was awful. Free agency last year was mostly a fail. He drafted for need in 2018 giving away multiple picks and players to do it. He drafted Edmunds when DROY fell to second round. UDFA picks look great so far. But none of the above matters. Only Allen matters. Beane took his shot and now he has to live with it. If Allen progresses and they add pieces around him then a lost 2018 season will be worth it. If Allen regresses and the team is below .500 next year then he should be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 19 hours ago, klos63 said: That seems to be the goal for a lot of fans. It's really strange. I don't want cap space. I want talent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, BillsSB2020 said: It's really strange. I don't want cap space. I want talent. Don't be so silly. Cap space defends WRs. Those moron Patriots signed Gilmore and used up all that cap space for the best DB in the league in 2018. But he wasn't good enough for McD. Good thing Peterman was the cheapest starting QB in the league. That will show those cap experts how to field a team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berg1029 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 At this point-yes. But sitting on this mountain of cash, that answer could change very quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) There hasn't been a decent GM since Polian, and as far as I'm concerned that's still the case... So far Mcbeane hasn't been great at drafting, and they've sucked in free agency. Let's see how the players they've drafted in'18 and '19 are doing come October. Edited March 9, 2019 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 57 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Don't be so silly. Cap space defends WRs. Those moron Patriots signed Gilmore and used up all that cap space for the best DB in the league in 2018. But he wasn't good enough for McD. Good thing Peterman was the cheapest starting QB in the league. That will show those cap experts how to field a team. The rebuild is not done yet. All I have to say too this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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