Eagles to Tag Foles

[Virgil]

I get why, but I thought they didn’t have the money to do this?

 

If the intention is to trade him, and they succeed, does it matter if it puts them over the cap because they will be back under it by the deadline?

 

If not, then I think they’ll have to clear some space just to do this and get a trade.  

 

Article I read say they’d be lucky to get a 3rd rounder.  I doubt he goes for less than a 2nd and 5th. 

[Doc]

Tag him or pick up his $20M option?

[Virgil]

Tag him.  That was Foles 2mil buyout is irrelevant 

[PetermansRedemption]

I hope they get caught asking for too much again and get stuck with his contract this season. 

[wppete]

Maybe trade Wentz ??????

[stuvian]

They want to make sure his next team over pays 

[IgotBILLStopay]

After the Sam Bradford trade, where they made out like bandits - Philly appears to be overvaluing its QBs. If they tag him, no team is going to pay him 20 mill AND give up draft compensation - so Phill is going to be stuck in cap hell. IMO, very dangerous move.

 

Coming off a SB victory and signed for cheap, no team was willing to give up a first last year. A year older and arguable worse post-season performance later, I doubt a team will give up a 2nd and pay 20 mill per.

 

I doubt it will come to the Tag because Foles is not going to buy out his contract for 2 mill since he will not get a 20 mill per year deal if teams are wary of the tag. 20 mill for 1 year is different from 20 mill per year new deal. Makes a world of difference for whether a team will give up draft compensation.

 

Edit: sry my bad. he will definitely sign the tag if offered since the tag number is higher than the buyout + 20 mill.BUt still, it is a dangerous move for philly if no team is willing to negotiate with them.

Edited February 3, 2019 by IgotBILLStopay

[BuffaloRebound]

Philly will get a 2nd rounder for him.  $20m is irrelevant.  That’s going rate for starting QB.  Look at Case Keenum.  Jacksonville almost has to go after him.  Bills got a high 3rd rounder for Taylor.  It’s the most important position by a mile.  

[Real McClappy]

52 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

After the Sam Bradford trade, where they made out like bandits - Philly appears to be overvaluing its QBs. If they tag him, no team is going to pay him 20 mill AND give up draft compensation - so Phill is going to be stuck in cap hell. IMO, very dangerous move.

 

Coming off a SB victory and signed for cheap, no team was willing to give up a first last year. A year older and arguable worse post-season performance later, I doubt a team will give up a 2nd and pay 20 mill per.

 

I doubt it will come to the Tag because Foles is not going to buy out his contract for 2 mill since he will not get a 20 mill per year deal if teams are wary of the tag. 20 mill for 1 year is different from 20 mill per year new deal. Makes a world of difference for whether a team will give up draft compensation.

 

Edit: sry my bad. he will definitely sign the tag if offered since the tag number is higher than the buyout + 20 mill.BUt still, it is a dangerous move for philly if no team is willing to negotiate with them.

QB is the mot important position and we all know that. The Eagles are actually being smart IMO with Wentz still on a rookie contract and known injury issues. What more does Foles need to prove? They are scared to let him go deservingly so. Fans and media will gut that entire FO if Wentz gets hurt again or flops.

It's a tough but great situation for Philly to be in.

 

I only wish our Bills had this issue since JK retired. 

Edited February 3, 2019 by Real McCoy

[whatdrought]

This makes sense in a way, Eagles get compensation, Foles can still have a say in where he goes (if they let him have it) and he can negotiate his contract with the destination team before the trade is done. The only one that loses this is the buying team who now has to give up money and compensation. (the Giants also lose because they will not have a shot at him, if they did want it.)

[Aussie Joe]

I would have thought Foles might have earned the right to go where he wanted..

[MJS]

Should be interesting.

[Fan in Chicago]

4 hours ago, Bills2ref said:

I hope they get caught asking for too much again and get stuck with his contract this season. 

Quite likely to happen which is why the Eagles' strategy is strange given their cap situation. This appears to be a move to dissuade the Giants from signing him. Costly gamble, IMO. 

4 hours ago, wppete said:

Maybe trade Wentz ??????

Foles limitations were exposed in the playoffs this year. If he had led another stellar post-December and took the Eagles deep in the playoffs, I would think differently. But Eagles are in an odd position - Foles won a superbowl and shown himself to be a solid starter. But Wentz has been injured twice now for key stretches of the season. But purely based on talent, the Eagles should go all-in on Wentz. 

1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said:

I would have thought Foles might have earned the right to go where he wanted..

Sure, but the Eagles have to run a team too and are trying to get the most compensation for his rights. May backfire on them.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Good move 

 

 

[Big Turk]

3 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

After the Sam Bradford trade, where they made out like bandits - Philly appears to be overvaluing its QBs. If they tag him, no team is going to pay him 20 mill AND give up draft compensation - so Phill is going to be stuck in cap hell. IMO, very dangerous move.

 

Coming off a SB victory and signed for cheap, no team was willing to give up a first last year. A year older and arguable worse post-season performance later, I doubt a team will give up a 2nd and pay 20 mill per.

 

I doubt it will come to the Tag because Foles is not going to buy out his contract for 2 mill since he will not get a 20 mill per year deal if teams are wary of the tag. 20 mill for 1 year is different from 20 mill per year new deal. Makes a world of difference for whether a team will give up draft compensation.

 

Edit: sry my bad. he will definitely sign the tag if offered since the tag number is higher than the buyout + 20 mill.BUt still, it is a dangerous move for philly if no team is willing to negotiate with them.

Apparently some team WILL or the Eagles are reasonably sure that a team WILL:

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25908384/philadelphia-eagles-expected-franchise-trade-nick-foles-sources-say

 

It's a little risky because Philly is already over the cap for the 2019 season by about $7.5 million even after redoing safety Rodney McLeod's deal and including their carryover of about $6 million from last year...if nobody bites or simply waits til Philly has to do something to get under the cap, they could get him for less, although getting anything for him would be better tahn getting nothing, so a 4th round pick is still better than no pick.

Edited February 3, 2019 by matter2003

[Doc Brown]

Jaguars are the most obvious landing spot considering DeFlippio is their offensive coordinator and worked with Foles in Philly.  Denver will also pry be in play as Foles is an upgrade to Keenum.  Both could still draft a QB this year or next year depending on how well Foles plays.  Miami is also a possibility, but I think they're intent on tanking.

[plenzmd1]

6 hours ago, Bills2ref said:

I hope they get caught asking for too much again and get stuck with his contract this season. 

hmm..intersting question here...just because they tag him, i would think that does not mean Foles will sign it..which I suspect he will not. Foles will want to negotiate a higher guarantee similar to Cousins deal, and signing the tag means someone could trade for him and make him play under that tag number I would think. Can you even trade a guy that is :

 

1) tagged but not signed

2) Playing under the tag?

 

New team would still have that July deadline to get a long term done I think..but because Foles already had signed the tag, he would be obligated to play under hat one year deal.

 

And while I think what Cousins did in regards to the tag was thought to be a good strategy for QBs, I wonder what the Alex Smith injury does to that line of thinking

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

So much for that "hot qb market"

[machine gun kelly]

Funny this was discussed on MTC with Pat Kirwan and Mills.  Pat made the argument from Foles perspective he’d want to get on the free market, but Kirwan stated why wouldn’t they pay Foles, b/c it would be a total of $24 mil towards the QB position and Weitzel was hurt the last two years even though he is dynamic.  They discussed that if Wentz keeps playing reckless with his body, they have to have an excellent back up.

 

we’ll see as some team that really needs a QB, will pay up like the Jags, or Dolphins, or even Tampa if Arians wants to move on from Winston.

[Kmart128]

If I'm Foles I'd walk into the Eagles front office and say I'm not signing any franchise tag contract so either let me walk and go to a team of my choosing or franchise tag me and have a situation to deal with.

[IgotBILLStopay]

For all you know, the team is desperate to get him traded and just put out the franchise tag news to get some to

eam to bite on the 20 mill option and give them any compensation

[Inigo Montoya]

I think Philly still feels their window is open for another Super Bowl run.  Wentz can't stay healthy and Foles has been the best backup in the league at the most important position on the field.  It goes without saying that Philly doesn't win the Super Bowl two years ago or even make the playoffs this season without Foles under center.  I think it's a smart move to hold onto him one more year as insurance if Wentz can't stay healthy. 

 

This can only be good news for the Bills as it makes it more likely that Foles if off the free agent QB market.  One less free agent QB makes the QBs in the draft more valuable and it would be great to see more teams fighting to jump ahead of us or trade with us to grab their QB.  Either way the Bills win, the more QBs selected ahead of us the more likely a non-QB prospect McBeane covets will drop to us at 9, or we can trade back and pick up some extra picks and still find a quality player in the middle of the 1st round.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

....Roseman is back in the GM seat after the Chip debacle....Lurie learned his lesson....Howie is a pretty shrewd football guy..................

[davefan66]

I don’t see this as a tag and trade.  I don’t believe Wentz has won the team, and they are also safeguarding from poor play.  

 

Wentz may may have a better stat line, but the team played much better under Foles, believe that’s why they will keep him.  Problem is, what does keeping Foles do to Wentz?  Always looking over his shoulder.

[aristocrat]

Foles value is still high and eagles could probably get a second if tyrod is worth a third.  What teams have extra seconds? 

[SoCal Deek]

22 minutes ago, davefan66 said:

I don’t see this as a tag and trade.  I don’t believe Wentz has won the team, and they are also safeguarding from poor play.  

 

Wentz may may have a better stat line, but the team played much better under Foles, believe that’s why they will keep him.  Problem is, what does keeping Foles do to Wentz?  Always looking over his shoulder.

I agree with this. I think the Eagles are in their ‘Oh Crap’ moment here. They were probably hoping Foles wouldn’t see the field this past year...but now their young ‘franchise’ QB can’t stay healthy and they’re scared to death to be left with Wentz and no backup. I’m not convinced that Foles is going anywhere in 2019. 

[tcampbell104]

10 hours ago, wppete said:

Maybe trade Wentz ??????

doubt it

[Rockinon]

I think this would be good news.  Teams like Miami that are considering ditching Tanny are going to have to pay big to get their next QB.  Teams who have QBs are not letting good ones go for no compensation.  The market is making teams pay to get a QB.  Since we are no longer in the market, and Miami is, I like it.  Miami could also do something similar to ensure that they get some kind of compensation.  After Buffalo spending so much for their QB, I think it's only fair that others should have to do the same. Not just Miami, too.  Teams like the Giants and even the Bengals could be considering other options.  Let them.  Teams that have clear needs like Jacksonville, Denver, Miami are in a tough spot because everyone knows it and the market is going to make them pay. Any team that wants Foles will pay dearly and the Eagles are right to not just let him go for nothing.

Edited February 3, 2019 by Rockinon

[WhoTom]

39 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

Foles value is still high and eagles could probably get a second if tyrod is worth a third.  What teams have extra seconds? 

 

I agree that Foles is worth a second (at least), but not for this reason. Just because the Browns gave us a third for Tyrod doesn't mean he's worth a third. Beane swindled them on that deal.

[Just Joshin']

8 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

I would have thought Foles might have earned the right to go where he wanted..

Eagles need to work in their best interests.

[Thurman#1]

35 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said:

Eagles need to work in their best interests.

 

 

Fair enough, but if they do that, they shouldn't be surprised if Foles works in his ... threatening to not sign (or promising to sign if Philly wants to keep their options open). It had been a love fest between them till now. But all bets are off if this report is on target.

[Doc]

7 hours ago, matter2003 said:

Apparently some team WILL or the Eagles are reasonably sure that a team WILL:

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25908384/philadelphia-eagles-expected-franchise-trade-nick-foles-sources-say

 

It's a little risky because Philly is already over the cap for the 2019 season by about $7.5 million even after redoing safety Rodney McLeod's deal and including their carryover of about $6 million from last year...if nobody bites or simply waits til Philly has to do something to get under the cap, they could get him for less, although getting anything for him would be better tahn getting nothing, so a 4th round pick is still better than no pick.

 

From where did you get the $7.5M number?  Spotrac, who is pretty current, has the Eagles at $19M over the cap and franchising Foles would add another $5M or so.  They'll need to clear that room before March 13th and if it's truly $24M, that's a tall order.

[PlayoffsPlease]

9 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

I would have thought Foles might have earned the right to go where he wanted..

Union deals require players to follow union rules. He only "earned" the right to be part of the collective bargaining agreement. 

[aristocrat]

1 hour ago, WhoTom said:

 

I agree that Foles is worth a second (at least), but not for this reason. Just because the Browns gave us a third for Tyrod doesn't mean he's worth a third. Beane swindled them on that deal.

 

yea the browns trading for tyrod seems bad but it seems he was at least a good mentor.  i was a fan of tyrod and you can certainly do worse than him at qb. 

[Aussie Joe]

1 hour ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

Union deals require players to follow union rules. He only "earned" the right to be part of the collective bargaining agreement. 

 

Yeah I get it...

 

The “rules” say that the Eagles can do this so that’s all that matters right?

 

Don’t worry that they still would have got a third round comp pick for him anyway..his value must be completely maximised to the Organisation.

Edited February 3, 2019 by Aussie Joe

[EasternOHBillsFan]

12 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

After the Sam Bradford trade, where they made out like bandits - Philly appears to be overvaluing its QBs. If they tag him, no team is going to pay him 20 mill AND give up draft compensation - so Phill is going to be stuck in cap hell. IMO, very dangerous move.

 

That's exactly what I thought when I found out the details. There are at least two QBs who are guaranteed first rounders, maybe three. The Dolphins and Giants can't afford him, and the Jaguars will probably take a QB. I cannot seriously believe Philly would do this... their cap numbers are ATROCIOUS!

[WyoNewt]

The Eagles big contracts are:

 

Player (63 total)	Base Salary (Guaranteed)	Bonuses				Cap Number		Dead Money & Cap Savings  Cut (pre-June 1) Cut (post-June 1) Trade (pre-June 1) Trade (post-June 1) Restructure Extension
		Prorated	Roster	Workout	Other
Nick Foles	$20,000,000	$1,600,000	$0	$0	$0	$21,600,000		$2,800,000	$18,800,000
Lane Johnson	$10,850,000	$4,192,206	$250,000	$0	$0	$15,292,206		$10,811,912	$4,480,294
Alshon Jeffery	$11,750,000 $11,750,000	$2,975,000	$0	$0	$0	$14,725,000		$20,675,000	($5,950,000)
Timmy Jernigan	$11,000,000	$2,000,000	$0	$0	$0	$13,000,000		$6,000,000	$7,000,000
Zach Ertz	$8,000,000	$4,047,500	$0	$0	$100,000	$12,129,500		$10,542,500	$1,587,000
Brandon Brooks	$8,000,000	$3,978,397	$0	$0	$0	$11,978,397		$11,140,794	$837,603
Fletcher Cox	$930,000	$10,972,000	$0	$0	$0	$11,902,000		$37,922,000	($26,020,000)
Malcolm Jenkins	$8,100,000	$3,037,000	$250,000	$0	$0	$11,387,000		$9,148,000	$2,239,000
Jason Peters	$7,750,000	$2,666,668	$0	$250,000	$0	$10,666,668		$2,666,668	$8,000,000
Rodney McLeod	$7,500,000	$2,406,250	$0	$0	$0	$9,906,250		$4,812,500	$5,093,750
Nelson Agholor	$9,387,000	$0	$0	$0	$0	$9,387,000		$0	$9,387,000
Nigel Bradham	$8,000,000 $2,000,000	$1,000,000	$0	$0	$0	$9,000,000		$6,000,000	$3,000,000

 

 

Two or three should be available.  The composition of the draft and their draft position should allow them to replace whatever they have to give up.

Edited February 3, 2019 by WyoNewt
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[PlayoffsPlease]

2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Fair enough, but if they do that, they shouldn't be surprised if Foles works in his ... threatening to not sign (or promising to sign if Philly wants to keep their options open). It had been a love fest between them till now. But all bets are off if this report is on target.

This is wrong. Foles is the consummate professional and fully understands the team needs to do what is best for the team. 

[KD in CA]

1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

The “rules” say that the Eagles can do this so that’s all that matters right?

 

 

Uh.....yes actually, it is.

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

5 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

....Roseman is back in the GM seat after the Chip debacle....Lurie learned his lesson....Howie is a pretty shrewd football guy..................

You're exactly right.  I'm sure Foles and his agent have made it clear what his desires are.  The Eagles have known that this day was coming and should have prioritized their options and strategy.  If they plan to keep him and pay him, they will have other contracts to rework and some expensive veterans to release.  If they plan to let him go, they will work to get the most compensation in return ( with a compensory pick as the last resort ).  Good GM's do long term planning and I'm sure the Eagles have.