IgotBILLStopay Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 For all you know, the team is desperate to get him traded and just put out the franchise tag news to get some to eam to bite on the 20 mill option and give them any compensation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 I think Philly still feels their window is open for another Super Bowl run. Wentz can't stay healthy and Foles has been the best backup in the league at the most important position on the field. It goes without saying that Philly doesn't win the Super Bowl two years ago or even make the playoffs this season without Foles under center. I think it's a smart move to hold onto him one more year as insurance if Wentz can't stay healthy. This can only be good news for the Bills as it makes it more likely that Foles if off the free agent QB market. One less free agent QB makes the QBs in the draft more valuable and it would be great to see more teams fighting to jump ahead of us or trade with us to grab their QB. Either way the Bills win, the more QBs selected ahead of us the more likely a non-QB prospect McBeane covets will drop to us at 9, or we can trade back and pick up some extra picks and still find a quality player in the middle of the 1st round. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 ....Roseman is back in the GM seat after the Chip debacle....Lurie learned his lesson....Howie is a pretty shrewd football guy.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 I don’t see this as a tag and trade. I don’t believe Wentz has won the team, and they are also safeguarding from poor play. Wentz may may have a better stat line, but the team played much better under Foles, believe that’s why they will keep him. Problem is, what does keeping Foles do to Wentz? Always looking over his shoulder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 Foles value is still high and eagles could probably get a second if tyrod is worth a third. What teams have extra seconds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 22 minutes ago, davefan66 said: I don’t see this as a tag and trade. I don’t believe Wentz has won the team, and they are also safeguarding from poor play. Wentz may may have a better stat line, but the team played much better under Foles, believe that’s why they will keep him. Problem is, what does keeping Foles do to Wentz? Always looking over his shoulder. I agree with this. I think the Eagles are in their ‘Oh Crap’ moment here. They were probably hoping Foles wouldn’t see the field this past year...but now their young ‘franchise’ QB can’t stay healthy and they’re scared to death to be left with Wentz and no backup. I’m not convinced that Foles is going anywhere in 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcampbell104 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 10 hours ago, wppete said: Maybe trade Wentz ?????? doubt it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 (edited) I think this would be good news. Teams like Miami that are considering ditching Tanny are going to have to pay big to get their next QB. Teams who have QBs are not letting good ones go for no compensation. The market is making teams pay to get a QB. Since we are no longer in the market, and Miami is, I like it. Miami could also do something similar to ensure that they get some kind of compensation. After Buffalo spending so much for their QB, I think it's only fair that others should have to do the same. Not just Miami, too. Teams like the Giants and even the Bengals could be considering other options. Let them. Teams that have clear needs like Jacksonville, Denver, Miami are in a tough spot because everyone knows it and the market is going to make them pay. Any team that wants Foles will pay dearly and the Eagles are right to not just let him go for nothing. Edited February 3, 2019 by Rockinon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 39 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Foles value is still high and eagles could probably get a second if tyrod is worth a third. What teams have extra seconds? I agree that Foles is worth a second (at least), but not for this reason. Just because the Browns gave us a third for Tyrod doesn't mean he's worth a third. Beane swindled them on that deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 8 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: I would have thought Foles might have earned the right to go where he wanted.. Eagles need to work in their best interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 35 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said: Eagles need to work in their best interests. Fair enough, but if they do that, they shouldn't be surprised if Foles works in his ... threatening to not sign (or promising to sign if Philly wants to keep their options open). It had been a love fest between them till now. But all bets are off if this report is on target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 7 hours ago, matter2003 said: Apparently some team WILL or the Eagles are reasonably sure that a team WILL: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25908384/philadelphia-eagles-expected-franchise-trade-nick-foles-sources-say It's a little risky because Philly is already over the cap for the 2019 season by about $7.5 million even after redoing safety Rodney McLeod's deal and including their carryover of about $6 million from last year...if nobody bites or simply waits til Philly has to do something to get under the cap, they could get him for less, although getting anything for him would be better tahn getting nothing, so a 4th round pick is still better than no pick. From where did you get the $7.5M number? Spotrac, who is pretty current, has the Eagles at $19M over the cap and franchising Foles would add another $5M or so. They'll need to clear that room before March 13th and if it's truly $24M, that's a tall order. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 9 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: I would have thought Foles might have earned the right to go where he wanted.. Union deals require players to follow union rules. He only "earned" the right to be part of the collective bargaining agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 1 hour ago, WhoTom said: I agree that Foles is worth a second (at least), but not for this reason. Just because the Browns gave us a third for Tyrod doesn't mean he's worth a third. Beane swindled them on that deal. yea the browns trading for tyrod seems bad but it seems he was at least a good mentor. i was a fan of tyrod and you can certainly do worse than him at qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Union deals require players to follow union rules. He only "earned" the right to be part of the collective bargaining agreement. Yeah I get it... The “rules” say that the Eagles can do this so that’s all that matters right? Don’t worry that they still would have got a third round comp pick for him anyway..his value must be completely maximised to the Organisation. Edited February 3, 2019 by Aussie Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 12 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: After the Sam Bradford trade, where they made out like bandits - Philly appears to be overvaluing its QBs. If they tag him, no team is going to pay him 20 mill AND give up draft compensation - so Phill is going to be stuck in cap hell. IMO, very dangerous move. That's exactly what I thought when I found out the details. There are at least two QBs who are guaranteed first rounders, maybe three. The Dolphins and Giants can't afford him, and the Jaguars will probably take a QB. I cannot seriously believe Philly would do this... their cap numbers are ATROCIOUS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WyoNewt Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 (edited) The Eagles big contracts are: Player (63 total) Base Salary(Guaranteed) Bonuses Cap Number Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1) Cut (post-June 1) Trade (pre-June 1) Trade (post-June 1) Restructure Extension Prorated Roster Workout Other Nick Foles $20,000,000 $1,600,000 $0 $0 $0 $21,600,000 $2,800,000 $18,800,000 Lane Johnson $10,850,000 $4,192,206 $250,000 $0 $0 $15,292,206 $10,811,912 $4,480,294 Alshon Jeffery $11,750,000$11,750,000 $2,975,000 $0 $0 $0 $14,725,000 $20,675,000 ($5,950,000) Timmy Jernigan $11,000,000 $2,000,000 $0 $0 $0 $13,000,000 $6,000,000 $7,000,000 Zach Ertz $8,000,000 $4,047,500 $0 $0 $100,000 $12,129,500 $10,542,500 $1,587,000 Brandon Brooks $8,000,000 $3,978,397 $0 $0 $0 $11,978,397 $11,140,794 $837,603 Fletcher Cox $930,000 $10,972,000 $0 $0 $0 $11,902,000 $37,922,000 ($26,020,000) Malcolm Jenkins $8,100,000 $3,037,000 $250,000 $0 $0 $11,387,000 $9,148,000 $2,239,000 Jason Peters $7,750,000 $2,666,668 $0 $250,000 $0 $10,666,668 $2,666,668 $8,000,000 Rodney McLeod $7,500,000 $2,406,250 $0 $0 $0 $9,906,250 $4,812,500 $5,093,750 Nelson Agholor $9,387,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $9,387,000 $0 $9,387,000 Nigel Bradham $8,000,000$2,000,000 $1,000,000 $0 $0 $0 $9,000,000 $6,000,000 $3,000,000 Two or three should be available. The composition of the draft and their draft position should allow them to replace whatever they have to give up. Edited February 3, 2019 by WyoNewt omitted word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Fair enough, but if they do that, they shouldn't be surprised if Foles works in his ... threatening to not sign (or promising to sign if Philly wants to keep their options open). It had been a love fest between them till now. But all bets are off if this report is on target. This is wrong. Foles is the consummate professional and fully understands the team needs to do what is best for the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said: The “rules” say that the Eagles can do this so that’s all that matters right? Uh.....yes actually, it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 5 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....Roseman is back in the GM seat after the Chip debacle....Lurie learned his lesson....Howie is a pretty shrewd football guy.................. You're exactly right. I'm sure Foles and his agent have made it clear what his desires are. The Eagles have known that this day was coming and should have prioritized their options and strategy. If they plan to keep him and pay him, they will have other contracts to rework and some expensive veterans to release. If they plan to let him go, they will work to get the most compensation in return ( with a compensory pick as the last resort ). Good GM's do long term planning and I'm sure the Eagles have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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