Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 5 hours ago, NJKBillsfan said: Does it really do anything? Allen worked out with Palmer last off-season and pretty much had all the same flaws as he did at Wyoming. I disagree. Maybe we're watching different games. 27 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: ohhhhh, but have you SEEN Palmer's footwork....? Tell us And what's Tom House's footwork like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Love hearing about all players working their butts off to improve all the time. Not surprised by this as Josh has already proven he is DRIVEN to get better at his craft. Great and expected. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Bills2ref said: I was thinking about this today watching senior bowl practice. I wouldn’t mind taking a flyer in the 5th-7th round on developing a solid backup QB. We have a decent backup in Barkley and Anderson. The only QB I want added is an undrafted QB that can be a camp arm and/or possible PS member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: I think that goes towards maturity and an understanding that he's just started scaling the mountain, and has earned nothing yet besides the right to become even more scrutinized this coming season. The Bills have to translate the growing pains of 2018 into additional W's in 2019, we all know that. But I feel like the foundation is being properly laid. How do you rank your feelings comparatively about the upcoming season with any since the start the turn of the century? After the 2004 season I don't think I could be more excited. I knew we were going to step back after last season playoff run, so this most recent August I was a little less excited. ...so yeah, I am absolutely fired up (pending draft and free agency, to a degree) for the 2019 season. I don't know if it is a playoff year, NHK, but I do know it will be the foundation of the team for years to come and not just a blip that goes away a year or two later. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Unless Palmer can play Center who cares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, RobbRiddick said: So how do you explain his improvements since Anderson got on board? He's the epitome of marginal. Quite often the marginal guys make the best teachers because they were longtime backups and spent more time working on film or imitating the opposing QB in practice This. If you look at Jordan Palmer's college record, his completion percentage and yards improved significantly every year. He's the epitome of the kind of athlete who makes a good coach - the thinking guy who is not the naturally gifted, instinctual player but who has to work hard for it. People always like to say "oh, we should bring Jim Kelly (or some other great) back to coach". Chances are they have no idea how they did what they did, so they'd make a crap coach. I forget who it was who said he worked out with Brett Favre who was like "then you do THIS" and flicked the ball 50 yards - said he was great to watch but he couldn't learn much from him. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, PaattMaann said: Love hearing about all players working their butts off to improve all the time. Not surprised by this as Josh has already proven he is DRIVEN to get better at his craft. Great and expected. Love hearing about the players working their butts off to improve, and then reading the Internet ding dongs that feel working hard to improve will do nothing. Have the people that feel that way EVER tried to improve at something through practice with a "coach" or "teacher". It's the darnedest thing, but often it WORKS! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: We have a decent backup in Barkley and Anderson. The only QB I want added is an undrafted QB that can be a camp arm and/or possible PS member. I'm not 100% on the NFL rules here - for rookie minicamp, do we pretty much have to bring in a couple camp arms, or is it allowed to have one or more of the QB on the roster be there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Good. I love the kid's eagerness to learn and continue to improve. He doesn't just have the "I'm the best, I can sit on my butt all offseason" mentality/attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 5 hours ago, NJKBillsfan said: Does it really do anything? Allen worked out with Palmer last off-season and pretty much had all the same flaws as he did at Wyoming. Flaws aka supporting cast ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 12 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Unless Palmer can play Center who cares If our QB doesnt improve it doesn't matter who's playing Center Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: After the 2004 season I don't think I could be more excited. I knew we were going to step back after last season playoff run, so this most recent August I was a little less excited. ...so yeah, I am absolutely fired up (pending draft and free agency, to a degree) for the 2019 season. I don't know if it is a playoff year, NHK, but I do know it will be the foundation of the team for years to come and not just a blip that goes away a year or two later. In the words of a coach who's name I can't even remember, many many moons ago at a small NCAA Div. III school, "I'll take that!" (He was watching line drills and liked the effort) . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, Heitz said: Love hearing about the players working their butts off to improve, and then reading the Internet ding dongs that feel working hard to improve will do nothing. Have the people that feel that way EVER tried to improve at something through practice with a "coach" or "teacher". It's the darnedest thing, but often it WORKS! You can probably leave out the "ding" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 3 hours ago, eball said: This is another one of those scenarios under which I have no clue why people are upset or critical. Do you need to be "excited?" No, but why would you "poo poo" the situation? Jordan Palmer has made a name for himself as a QB coach/instructor. He's building a business of working with young QBs to get them ready for the next step in their football careers. Josh Allen -- until the end of his last college season -- never really received solid one-on-one coaching regarding mechanics and the art of playing the position. Palmer helped him immensely last year, so he's going back to continue to work on things and this is a bad thing? I can imagine Palmer sitting down with him, now, with actual NFL game film, and working things out. That's good stuff, and Palmer can do it because he's not directly affiliated with the Bills or NFL so there are no contact restrictions during the offseason. I just don't get the negativity. Well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 49 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: It seemed like Allen took steps between the Wyoming season and the Sr Bowl/regular season so hopefully it will continue to help! The only thing I would like better would be the news if he had some of our WR with him, Foster and Zay. He already said he'll be meeting with the WRs at some point, so...yay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Draft Tyree Jackson in the 7th. Put him on the practice roster next year. Hopefully he is Josh Allen’s backup for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 36 minutes ago, 2018 Our Year For Sure said: If our QB doesnt improve it doesn't matter who's playing Center Nah, having a competent center has nothing to do with QB play. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said: You mean losing to the Refs. no, i mean losing to the Pats. just like we do. you want to make it about the refs go ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: ohhhhh, but have you SEEN Palmer's footwork....? God that thread was great. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'm not 100% on the NFL rules here - for rookie minicamp, do we pretty much have to bring in a couple camp arms, or is it allowed to have one or more of the QB on the roster be there? If it's rookie minicamp, by definition you need a rookie QB or you can't run plays. Doesn't matter whether he's drafted or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, dickleyjones said: no, i mean losing to the Pats. just like we do. you want to make it about the refs go ahead. I think it can't be denied that the refs had more influence on the games than fans would like. On the other hand: that's reality. The Iggles won the SB last year because they seemed to come in with the attitude they were going to have to overcome the refs at times, they were going to have to prepare for espionage attempts on their signals and game plan, and they just planned for it and dealt with it and won. Clock management and bad calls and rulings that go against the team are part of the game, and Reid could have managed the clock and game-planned better. 1 minute ago, Doc said: If it's rookie minicamp, by definition you need a rookie QB or you can't run plays. Doesn't matter whether he's drafted or not. So does every team just bring in a couple rookie QB's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, oldmanfan said: So coaches don't teach. Brilliant analysis there. Those who can't teach, coach. Or maybe it's those who can't coach, teach? The only real takeaway is it's a good thing he's out there working to improve. if he can start hitting those short to medium timing passes and slants he's going to be dangerous. Edited January 23, 2019 by Green Lightning 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 This tells me that in addition to a commendable spirit of wanting to constantly improve Allen watched the playoff games and desperately wanted to be out there with the Bills. This guy is going to do whatever it takes to get Buffalo over the hump next season. And for the record some of the best position coaches in Football are the guys who ALMOST made it. Like others have noted, for the life of me how is this a bad thing? These naysayers appear to want Allen to just give up and self declare that he's a bust. That way we can move up in this years draft and take Haskins or the OK baseball player. It just seems nuts to me and an awful way to root for a team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, NJKBillsfan said: Does it really do anything? Allen worked out with Palmer last off-season and pretty much had all the same flaws as he did at Wyoming. That moment when in one post on a football message board you expose that you neither watch football nor pay attention in the offseason.? 6 hours ago, #34fan said: We could have had Frank Reich! We're supposed to get all excited becuz Josh is working with a former marginal pro/college QB. Josh doesn't need a teacher. He needs a coach. From Webster's definition of "coach": I know what you're going to say, instructors and teachers are completely different Edited January 23, 2019 by ndirish1978 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think it can't be denied that the refs had more influence on the games than fans would like. sure. but it goes for both teams. you can either be smart and learn how to deal with it, or be dumb and don't. my real point is that Mahomes' talent did not help the Chiefs overcome the Pats. so "mahomes mahomsing" actually isn't good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, 2018 Our Year For Sure said: Was it bad? 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I disagree. Maybe we're watching different games. Tell us And what's Tom House's footwork like? 13 minutes ago, The Wiz said: God that thread was great. Legendary footwork around here.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 6 hours ago, NJKBillsfan said: Does it really do anything? Allen worked out with Palmer last off-season and pretty much had all the same flaws as he did at Wyoming. He had receivers that dropped an inordinate amount of catches, never fought for the ball, and tripped over the goal line coming out of the endzone at Wyoming as well? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 17 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Clock management and bad calls and rulings that go against the team are part of the game, and Reid could have managed the clock and game-planned better. As could have Sean Payton. Yes, a couple of extremely bad calls were made, but the coaches of both teams had opportunities to overcome them and failed to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, eball said: As could have Sean Payton. Yes, a couple of extremely bad calls were made, but the coaches of both teams had opportunities to overcome them and failed to do so. Sean Payton. That guy lost all chance of winning the freakin' game for his team when he couldn't let go of the PI/head shot non-call. If the coach can't let go of that stuff and focus 100% on the ongoing game, how can he possibly expect his team to do so? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I too applaud applaud this and can't grasp the negativity! This is AWESOME news. As for every driven person, especially young ones, Josh must not burn himself out, whether his arm or mentally, but besides that, great news. Even more so with McD communicating with Palmer! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Nah, having a competent center has nothing to do with QB play. There's a lot Allen needs to improve on that has nothing to do with the OL. Yep OL was a problem, separate from that, the QB has a long way to go and a lot of improvement to make Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 4 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said: I would really like that pick. If we are going to tailor the offense around Josh, I think a mobile backup with a big arm would be a very sound investment. I'm sure Palmer is doing very well for himself acting independently, but I kind of wish we would just make him a godfather offer to be the QB coach exclusively with Josh. If he's there late, I don't see how a flier could hurt in order to have him, develop him and see if he turns into anything. Best case scenario we end up with two good QB's and trade one for a bounty. Worst case, we blow one of our 5th rounders. Although, If he shows out well at the Senior Bowl I doubt he's there past 4. People are going to, unfairly, compare him to Allen cause he's a monster with a monster arm. Allen's early success actually probably helps Jackson's draft stock quite a bit. If I had to guess, he enjoys making a butt ton of money essentially working the tax season. Plus, he gets to coach purely Quarterbacking. Working for a team would force him into helping coach offense and not just mechanics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, dickleyjones said: no, i mean losing to the Pats. just like we do. you want to make it about the refs go ahead. Make it about a roughing the passer that didnt happen, that would have been the end of the game. I was pulling for the Rams against NO but they shouldnt have one either. The entire country has said it. The SB should be NO vs. KC. I also dont blame the Refs unless it was actually game altering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Odd that when jackson was interviewed yesterday about working with palmer murph asked if hed met josh. He said josh had arrived right before he left for the sr bowl but was looking forward to getting w him when he got back BUT he gave him a little bit of advice before he left. Dont get me wrong, i dont really care where JA is, but something regarding this timeline is a bit whack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 48 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: Make it about a roughing the passer that didnt happen, that would have been the end of the game. You don't know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romie Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 9 hours ago, NJKBillsfan said: Does it really do anything? Allen worked out with Palmer last off-season and pretty much had all the same flaws as he did at Wyoming. Are you suggesting he shouldn't try to do anything to improve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 4 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Plus McD indicated in the article that they will make sure Palmer is familiar with the terminology/concepts they want JA to continue to work on--what's not to like about this, right? I'm sold on the idea ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Why anyone would poo poo this idea is crazy to me. The CBA doesn't allow players to work with the team in the offseason, this kid is taking initiative to get training on his own and the coach is saying he's going to get the trainer info on team concepts so that Josh can actually get work done specific to the team that he would otherwise not be allowed to work on. I absolutely love it. If we had hired Palmer as a QB coach he wouldn't be allowed to work with Josh. Instead, Palmer has been given terminology specific to the team and a detailed look at what Josh was working on last year and what they'd like him to continue improving on. 5 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 12 hours ago, MJS said: I wonder if Darnold will work with Palmer too (or is already). Allen and Darnold became good friends working with Palmer before. Jackson didn't mention Darnold working with Palmer, but I know Allen and Darnold are pretty tight at least. I think they were at some video game convention or something competing against each other. 11 hours ago, Warcodered said: https://buffalonews.com/2019/01/21/buffalo-tyree-jackson-jordan-palmer-nfl-draft-quarterbacks-josh-allen-sam-darnold-deshaun-watson/ You kind of have to search through it to find it but it says Allen and Darnold are actually going to help teach them protections so I'd say that's a yes. I stand corrected. Thank you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 11 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: That's terrific. Allen's accuracy improved a lot throughout the pre-draft process last year as he worked with Palmer. One of the main things he worked on was mechanics, which Palmer said were a main cause of Allen's problems with accuracy. Because he ended up starting a lot of games last year, his mechanics drills regimen for accuracy ended up being a much lower priority. That's what happens when you start, you're mostly working on game planning and prep for that week. And his accuracy definitely was affected. So this could easily have a real positive impact on Allen's accuracy issues. I really hope so. Palmer does know his stuff, and will I'm sure help Allen figure out a good plan - doubtless with input from the Bills - for the offseason for Allen. Mechanics are huge for QBs. This is great. Allen certainly needs to work on his mechanics for consistency's sake this offseason and it''s really promising that he's taking it upon himself to do it, but his accuracy was actually pretty darn good for a rookie QB. If you actually watch all the rookie QB seasons, the guy who really needs to work on his accuracy this offseason is Josh, but Rosen, not Allen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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