You’re GM of Giants...Do you take Barkley still in a redraft or Allen/Other QB?

[Alphadawg7]

Just for fun:

 

No doubt Barkley is having an incredible rookie season and proving worthy of such a high pick.  But given the importance of the QB position and seeing Eli is pretty much done and knowing what we know now what would you do in a redraft?  Would you still take Barkley #2 or take Allen (or other one of the QBs) instead?

 

Do you go safe and take the beast at RB?  Or gamble on the sky high upside Allen has been showing?  Or do you go QB but take one of the other guys instead?  Or is there another rookie you take instead?  Remember this is for the Giants, not just who you like more.

 

To answer my own question:

 

It would be a tough choice for me, but I am a believer in Allen and I really think he is going to get there and be a special talent.  I wouldn’t fault anyone who would choose Barkley either, Inmean he is just a beast out there.  But just because it’s harder to find that special QB, I think I would gamble by going with Allens upside even though Barkley is already amongst the best at his position in the NFL.  I love Barkley, so it’s a close call, just really have a lot of confidence in Allens future.  

Edited December 14, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[NewEra]

Prior to the draft I thought they made a huge mistake passing on a QB.  As it stands, they may end up getting the best qb in the draft next year and may not have to give up much to do so.  If they can get a solid franchise qb this year, I’d say they made the right move.  

 

Unless josh Allen reaches his potential of course.  At that point, they had messed up

[Nelius]

I'm on the pro-Barkley train. It seems to be the unpopular opinion because it's an era of QB's above all else and RB's being "a dime a dozen" (still untrue, but it continues to be a talking point), and yeah I guess Barry Sanders never won a ring, but Barkley is a true generational talent. Everybody knew he was going to be good but nobody expected this so soon, and he's getting better every single week. Put a threat like that with any rookie QB and they've got the best offensive safety blanket in the league for years to come.

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

I'd take Barkley. He is a known commodity and will continue to dominate. The jury is still not out on any of the 5 QB's. So far Baker is legit and the best of the bunch but he was unavailable. Time will tell but I think it was a good move to take Barkley. 

[Alphadawg7]

45 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Prior to the draft I thought they made a huge mistake passing on a QB.  As it stands, they may end up getting the best qb in the draft next year and may not have to give up much to do so.  If they can get a solid franchise qb this year, I’d say they made the right move.  

 

Unless josh Allen reaches his potential of course.  At that point, they had messed up

 

Yeah, they could get a QB but the recent 4-1 win streak has dropped them, and most likely draft outside the top 10.  Not considered a deep QB class, so may not get the guy they want.

 

Although I posted in another thread that I think they might try and trade for Carr and I think the Raiders will listen.  

Edited December 14, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[Da webster guy]

I thought the Brownies were taking Saquon 1st and then best available qb at 4.

They hit homers with Baker and Denzel Ward though, both game changing players already playing at a high level.

I wonder what the Jets and Giants woud look like now if Cleveland had grabbed Saquon first.

[formerlyofCtown]

I trade down and draft several oline.

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Just for fun:

 

No doubt Barkley is having an incredible rookie season and proving worthy of such a high pick.  But given the importance of the QB position and seeing Eli is pretty much done and knowing what we know now what would you do in a redraft?  Would you still take Barkley #2 or take Allen (or other one of the QBs) instead?

 

Do you go safe and take the beast at RB?  Or gamble on the sky high upside Allen has been showing?  Or do you go QB but take one of the other guys instead?  Or is there another rookie you take instead?  Remember this is for the Giants, not just who you like more.

 

To answer my own question:

 

It would be a tough choice for me, but I am a believer in Allen and I really think he is going to get there and be a special talent.  I wouldn’t fault anyone who would choose Barkley either, Inmean he is just a beast out there.  But just because it’s harder to find that special QB, I think I would gamble by going with Allens upside even though Barkley is already amongst the best at his position in the NFL.  I love Barkley, so it’s a close call, just really have a lot of confidence in Allens future.  

The giant would likely take Allen as he was the #1 QB on their board.

[Aussie Joe]

Giants might be looking to trade up with the Bills to pick a QB in 2019..

 

What goes around comes comes around

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Just for fun:

 

No doubt Barkley is having an incredible rookie season and proving worthy of such a high pick.  But given the importance of the QB position and seeing Eli is pretty much done and knowing what we know now what would you do in a redraft?  Would you still take Barkley #2 or take Allen (or other one of the QBs) instead?

 

Do you go safe and take the beast at RB?  Or gamble on the sky high upside Allen has been showing?  Or do you go QB but take one of the other guys instead?  Or is there another rookie you take instead?  Remember this is for the Giants, not just who you like more.

 

To answer my own question:

 

It would be a tough choice for me, but I am a believer in Allen and I really think he is going to get there and be a special talent.  I wouldn’t fault anyone who would choose Barkley either, Inmean he is just a beast out there.  But just because it’s harder to find that special QB, I think I would gamble by going with Allens upside even though Barkley is already amongst the best at his position in the NFL.  I love Barkley, so it’s a close call, just really have a lot of confidence in Allens future.  

 

 

I don't vote in these things, but I'd take Darnold / Rosen / Allen, maybe in that order, though I haven't watched a lot of Darnold or Rosen since they got to the NFL. I'd have to go look much closer. But I'd take a QB anyway.

 

Before the draft, I said if I were the G-men, I'd take a QB but that I thought the other side was also very defensible, that maybe Manning could have another good year or two in him, especially if the Giants brain trust thought so.

 

I haven't watched any Giants games closely but it looks like maybe Eli is finished. If so, I think they made a bad choice, though as you say, Barkley is a terrific player.

Edited December 14, 2018 by Thurman#1

[KD in CA]

At the time I thought they should have taken Darnold, but Barkley has been better than I expected.  No doubt they go QB this year; let’s see how it turns out.

[GunnerBill]

I'd have taken a Quarterback. 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Yeah, they could get a QB but the recent 4-1 win streak has dropped them, and most likely draft outside the top 10.  Not considered a deep QB class, so may not get the guy they want.

 

Although I posted in another thread that I think they might try and trade for Carr and I think the Raiders will listen.  

If I were the gmen, I’d go after Haskins.  With the Skins and jags being the other 2 teams in competition for a qb, they could get the best qb in the draft.  The teams in the top 5 need to try and make those qb needy teams spend some picks to get their QB.  Eager to see how these QBs grade out during the draft process.  

[auburnbillsbacker]

I'm amazed at this poll.  Barkley is great but the giants screwed up big by not taking a QB.

[Doc Brown]

I thought they made the right call since all of the QB's had serious questions and I thought the QB draft class was overrated.  Same goes for the Broncos passing on Allen and Rosen.  Barkley was being called a generational player and you'd be crazy to pass on him if you bought that hype.  He's already the best running back in the league and is an absolute freak reminiscent of Bo Jackson pre injury.  Chubb has 12 sacks through 13 games and needs 3 more to break the rookie sack record. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

If they get a QB that works out in the next draft then it was a good move. Barkley is a force and would help any QB that is brought in. 

[Rochesterfan]

5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Just for fun:

 

No doubt Barkley is having an incredible rookie season and proving worthy of such a high pick.  But given the importance of the QB position and seeing Eli is pretty much done and knowing what we know now what would you do in a redraft?  Would you still take Barkley #2 or take Allen (or other one of the QBs) instead?

 

Do you go safe and take the beast at RB?  Or gamble on the sky high upside Allen has been showing?  Or do you go QB but take one of the other guys instead?  Or is there another rookie you take instead?  Remember this is for the Giants, not just who you like more.

 

To answer my own question:

 

It would be a tough choice for me, but I am a believer in Allen and I really think he is going to get there and be a special talent.  I wouldn’t fault anyone who would choose Barkley either, Inmean he is just a beast out there.  But just because it’s harder to find that special QB, I think I would gamble by going with Allens upside even though Barkley is already amongst the best at his position in the NFL.  I love Barkley, so it’s a close call, just really have a lot of confidence in Allens future.  

 

 

To me - the RB has played well, but even if you draft a QB next year it is probably year 2 or 3 before he is taking the team anyplace - by that point Barkley is in year 4 and looking at a huge contract for a 5th year option or 2nd contract.

 

Therefore to me the wise thing at that spot was to grab a QB, but I get why they did not.  It was similar to the Bills the the year before - new GM/coach combo wanting to scout players and choose a good fit at QB.  I think for Pat Shurmer and that team - Darnold would be a great fit and having time to sit behind Eli would have made this team better now and going forward, but I get it and as I said in the buyers remorse thread - I do not think they are too upset because Barkley has been good.

 

 

Edited December 14, 2018 by Rochesterfan

[H2o]

I still take Barkley. The guy is the next great NFL RB and he's showing you why already. They will get their QB this year or next. The OL still needs work as well as the defense, but they have two of the best at their respective skill positions in the league for at least the next 4 years. 

[DCOrange]

Even if Barkley were the best RB prospect in NFL history, I wouldn’t take him at #2.

 

The Giants are paying Saquon roughly 1,200% more than the Broncos are paying their rookie RB and the Broncos arguably have the better player. 

 

The Giants would have been far better off taking a QB, Chubb, Denzel Ward, or basically anything other than Barkley. 

Edited December 14, 2018 by DCOrange

[mannc]

5 hours ago, BillsRdue said:

I'd take Barkley. He is a known commodity and will continue to dominate. The jury is still not out on any of the 5 QB's. So far Baker is legit and the best of the bunch but he was unavailable. Time will tell but I think it was a good move to take Barkley. 

Barkey’s “domination” has led the Giants to last place in the NFC East.   No matter how good he is, the difference between him and a guy they could draft in round 2 or 3 won’t be huge.  Hell, he’s not better than Kareem Hunt, who’s available now, free of charge!  

 

And the Giants won’t enjoy 4 years of a great young qb on a rookie deal—the best bargain in sports.  If Allen or any of the other QBs become franchise QBs their franchises will be set for 10 years or more.  Barkley is just a shiny fantasy foootball toy.

[machine gun kelly]

I think they went with Barkley as they want to have the next Elliott.  I’m betting as someone else mentioned they will trade up for a QB this upcoming year.  Let him learn from Eli, for all or part of the year and Manning retires.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I'd have taken a Quarterback. 

This.   They could have gotten any of them if they played their cards right. 

[The Jokeman]

6 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Just for fun:

 

No doubt Barkley is having an incredible rookie season and proving worthy of such a high pick.  But given the importance of the QB position and seeing Eli is pretty much done and knowing what we know now what would you do in a redraft?  Would you still take Barkley #2 or take Allen (or other one of the QBs) instead?

 

Do you go safe and take the beast at RB?  Or gamble on the sky high upside Allen has been showing?  Or do you go QB but take one of the other guys instead?  Or is there another rookie you take instead?  Remember this is for the Giants, not just who you like more.

 

To answer my own question:

 

It would be a tough choice for me, but I am a believer in Allen and I really think he is going to get there and be a special talent.  I wouldn’t fault anyone who would choose Barkley either, Inmean he is just a beast out there.  But just because it’s harder to find that special QB, I think I would gamble by going with Allens upside even though Barkley is already amongst the best at his position in the NFL.  I love Barkley, so it’s a close call, just really have a lot of confidence in Allens future.  

Still Barkley as they can always draft a guy like Herbert or Lock in the forthcoming draft. 

[mannc]

Just now, The Jokeman said:

Still Barkley as they can always draft a guy like Herbert or Lock in the forthcoming draft. 

They can sign a guy like Barkley right now, off the street, for nothing.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

46 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

the Broncos arguably have the better player. 

All the lols man. That’s just wrong 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I live in giant territory and I go through this all the time. If I was the giants GM

 

Before the draft

 

you trade OBJ

you probably get at least one 1st and something else decent

you trade Eli. 

Before this season you would have gotten at worst a 2nd

you have your own pick #2 in every round

 

you could have rebuilt that team in 1 year. You also avoid paying OBJ a huge wasted contract, you could have moved back 3 spots got MORE 1’S and taken Barkley still.

 

No you don’t stay at 2 abd take a RB. No matter how great he is it will never be worth it

[JinxedBill1]

I would have taken Darnold still.  Look, if you need a QB it's already too late.  Generational QBs are rare, have to take a swing and hope you hit it out of the park.  To me Barkley is fantastic but can be replaced production wise by good backs. 

 

Good QB play is the rarest to find hence my decision.  It's a game of numbers and when you have 4 potentials staring at you you take your favorite and not hope that one will be available next year for you.

 

But hey I'm conservative.

[CommonCents]

Their GM should be fired. Barkley can become a HOFer and that still won’t be worth as much as getting the Darnold/Allen selection right. 

[DCOrange]

26 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

All the lols man. That’s just wrong 

 

My login for PFF isn't working at the moment, but I think Lindsay ranks ahead of Saquon in PFF Grade, DVOA, and Run Success Rate. It's definitely debatable who has been better as a rookie and the Broncos guy provides insanely better value.

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, DCOrange said:

 

My login for PFF isn't working at the moment, but I think Lindsay ranks ahead of Saquon in PFF Grade, DVOA, and Run Success Rate. It's definitely debatable who has been better as a rookie and the Broncos guy provides insanely better value.

 

 

 

Don't bother with PFF, honestly. I value their input very little, at the most.

 

[Chuck Wagon]

Barkley, then trade back up to get Lamar Jackson, who went two picks before their 2nd rounder.

 

Jackson / Barkley / Odell / Engram / Sheppard, that's some potential 

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

7 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Just for fun:

 

No doubt Barkley is having an incredible rookie season and proving worthy of such a high pick.  But given the importance of the QB position and seeing Eli is pretty much done and knowing what we know now what would you do in a redraft?  Would you still take Barkley #2 or take Allen (or other one of the QBs) instead?

 

Do you go safe and take the beast at RB?  Or gamble on the sky high upside Allen has been showing?  Or do you go QB but take one of the other guys instead?  Or is there another rookie you take instead?  Remember this is for the Giants, not just who you like more.

 

To answer my own question:

 

It would be a tough choice for me, but I am a believer in Allen and I really think he is going to get there and be a special talent.  I wouldn’t fault anyone who would choose Barkley either, Inmean he is just a beast out there.  But just because it’s harder to find that special QB, I think I would gamble by going with Allens upside even though Barkley is already amongst the best at his position in the NFL.  I love Barkley, so it’s a close call, just really have a lot of confidence in Allens future.  

 

The Giants should have taken the safe route and drafted Darnold, this was an excellent crop of QB's in the 2018 draft, yes Barkley is a great player, maybe even elite but this is now a passing league, Darnold would have had a whole year or 2 under his belt learning from one of the better QB's in the league and how to be a pro at this level. To me that was a move that the Bills usually make, taking a RB in a passing league, yes running is still important but now look at the options for the Giants, there is no QB in this draft that should even go top 10 but Herbert and possibly another QB will because of desperation. 

[FearLess Price]

40 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

All the lols man. That’s just wrong 

Lol

Bro its everywhere. Why is everyone acting like Barkley is handing out surprise UDFA RB levels of production

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, FearLess Price said:

Lol

Bro its everywhere. Why is everyone acting like Barkley is handing out surprise UDFA RB levels of production

 

As a Penn State fan, I can tell you I missed his production this year. The dude is electric. And I think Better than Hunt.

 

[Captain Hindsight]

Barkely is an awesome player. It was dumb to pick a RB in a class with 5 first round QBs who all look like solid picks at the very least.

 

The Chiefs cut last seasons leading rusher, started their 3rd string back last night against a good defense. He had 123 total yards.

 

RBs don't matter

[DCOrange]

I don't think anybody would argue that Barkley isn't a good player. The issue is that if he's a top 10-15 RB, which is basically the highest you'll see him rated by any metric, he's underperforming relative to his contract.

 

The Giants took the most valuable asset in football and punted on it.

[Fan in Chicago]

A QB. They had a premium pick in a QB rich draft and blew it. Now they will be left with trying to trade up to get someone they like. As good as Barkley has been, a QB could have transitioned into behind Manning and kept that position solved for a long time.

[mjt328]

Running Backs are never worth taking that high. 

Maybe 15-20 years ago.  But not today.  They don't have a big enough impact and their lifespans are too short.

 

Now... It could still end up working well for the Giants.  Early mocks have up to 4 quarterbacks being taken in the 1st Round (Herbert, Haskins, Lock and Grier), and the only real competition the Giants have right now in getting the top QB is in the Jaguars.

 

Of course, a lot could happen between now and then.  It's possible Herbert and/or Haskins return to school.  It's possible the Raiders decide to move on from Derek Carr, in which case they immediately need a quarterback.  The Broncos and Buccaneers could still end up drafting higher than the Giants, and may be interested in drafting a rookie.  Even the Redskins could end up in the mix, with the outlook for Alex Smith looking bad.

 

There also may be some "decent" veteran QBs available on the market this year, or at least guys teams would be willing to grab as a starter.  Teddy Bridgewater.  Nick Foles.  Joe Flacco.  Jameis Winston.  Derek Carr.  Eli Manning.  Ryan Fitzpatrick.  This could really create a situation of musical chairs with the QB-needy teams.

 

 

[apuszczalowski]

2 hours ago, mannc said:

Barkey’s “domination” has led the Giants to last place in the NFC East.   No matter how good he is, the difference between him and a guy they could draft in round 2 or 3 won’t be huge.  Hell, he’s not better than Kareem Hunt, who’s available now, free of charge!  

 

And the Giants won’t enjoy 4 years of a great young qb on a rookie deal—the best bargain in sports.  If Allen or any of the other QBs become franchise QBs their franchises will be set for 10 years or more.  Barkley is just a shiny fantasy foootball toy.

Hows Darnold/Mayfield/Rosen/Allen's teams doing in the standings?

 

The Giants arent losing because of Barkley and not passing on those 4 HOFers single handidly carrying their teams. They can still get a QB this year, or sign/trade for a veteran who can step right in with that team and help them right away, using picks to upgrade other spots. They got one of the best players in the draft at the #2 spot who is looking much more like an elite player in the league then any of the 4 QBs drafted this year have.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

It all hinges on whether the Giants can find there guy this year or next year to pair with Barkely. And also whether or not Allen or Darnold become a franchise QB or are they just the next Mariotta/Winston? 

 

I think for the time being the Barkley pick looks like a good one. That can change in a hurry if either of Allen or Darnold become the real deal. But the answer to this question won't truly be known for another 4 years or so.

[Mr. WEO]

it was a huge blunder to pass on a QB for a RB, even a really good one....which is nice.

 

They will go nowhere without a QB.  Barkley is just racking up personal stats.  Could have had Allen until they dump Manning.