3rdnlng Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 39 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Let’s just end this. You arent getting my point. I’m barely grasping yours. It really doesn’t matter. I think NFL teams overvalue draft picks and undervalue proven veterans. Thats the extent of it. Now that's a fair enough statement but not what you were saying earlier. First round draft picks are extremely valuable and can be used to obtain proven veterans or top notch prospects. You inferred that they were not very important because they might not be used properly. That's not the problem with the draft pick itself but with the person choosing who to pick with the draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Needle Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 The Bears are going to be good. That defense has a ton of playmakers and youth. Raiders on the other hand are going to be a dumpster fire during Grudens tenure. He should have stayed in the booth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornette's Commentary Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Well I guess so since they got the deal done. "No other team seemed willing to part ways with that much draft capital" NO KIDDING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 4 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: The Bills will still have to deal with him on November 4th at New Era. We beat him last year. We were never giving up 2 1st round picks or paying him QB money. Yes it would have been amazing to have such a great pass-rusher but we have to move on. It all would have cost way too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 25 minutes ago, mannc said: Not what you said It is exactly what I said Multiple times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 21 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: From some of the Raiders players' comments I wonder if that team implodes. Yea it’s not easy for the room when their best player gets traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 19 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Now that's a fair enough statement but not what you were saying earlier. First round draft picks are extremely valuable and can be used to obtain proven veterans or top notch prospects. You inferred that they were not very important because they might not be used properly. That's not the problem with the draft pick itself but with the person choosing who to pick with the draft pick. My whole point was the Bills weren’t going to trade the picks for Mack because they were afraid to give them up. And I feel like most of the time we just waste them anyway and I think they should be more willing to trade them for proven talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Let’s just end this. You arent getting my point. I’m barely grasping yours. It really doesn’t matter. I think NFL teams overvalue draft picks and undervalue proven veterans. Thats the extent of it. well said buddy, I concur... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 5 hours ago, ******* said: To the Bears Pfew, dodged that bullet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: love all the people who danced on the Mack threads here for weeks saying he would never be traded, he would be tagged, we were all stupid, etc. This board is filled with "that guy" and "that guy" responds in that manner to everything. As an aside, I find it funny that some Bills fans have probably now dedicated more time to this thread and the issue of what is going to happen to Mack than actually watching a Bills game. I'm talking about the 4th pre-season game, admittedly, against the Bears, and it was a **** show for almost all of it, but still. I find it really weird that a Bills fan who lives at this forum would then not actually watch a Bills game, but chime in over and over about Khalil F-ing Mack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 5 hours ago, AmishRifle said: I’m still left scratching my head on why Gruden would let him go. Bears! Talk about a dark horse winning the race. didn't trust the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 31 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: From some of the Raiders players' comments I wonder if that team implodes. I hope so. I think Gruden is an overrated snake oil salesman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: I hope so. I think Gruden is an overrated snake oil salesman. they may trade everybody out like we did to get rid of the cancers/malcontents Edited September 1, 2018 by Buffalo Barbarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: My whole point was the Bills weren’t going to trade the picks for Mack because they were afraid to give them up. And I feel like most of the time we just waste them anyway and I think they should be more willing to trade them for proven talent. That wasn't your point at all. You clearly stated that 1st round draft picks weren't all that important. I thought that was a rather ridiculous statement when in the same paragraph you stated that mid round draft pics could bring good players. I haven't seen this regime too afraid to give up draft pics and I certainly haven't seen them just waste them anyway. I'll be sitting on pins and needles waiting for your latest revision of the statement I first objected to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 I respect teams going big. This might pay off long term for the Raiders but I would hate it if I was a fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: they may trade everybody out like we did to get rid of the cancers/malcontents What if gruden is the cancer? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 13 minutes ago, aristocrat said: What if gruden is the cancer? Well he ain't going nowhere, so ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 19 minutes ago, aristocrat said: What if gruden is the cancer? Gruden does have that arrogance about him. He always has. I think you see the Raiders end up in the toilet within 2 years and Gruden resigning his position within 4. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 3 hours ago, Wayne Cubed said: ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 36 minutes ago, aristocrat said: What if gruden is the cancer? If the Bills had hired Gruden, that would have been the ultimate test for me, personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills365 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Not that I wanted Mack for that price. But the saints gave up 2 first round picks for an unproven Marcus Davenport. Yea no huge contract. But I think after the injury and lack of playing time I think they would take Mack for them 2 draft picks anyday that they used for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RaoulDuke79 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Mack is damn good, but 2 firsts and a third is bit much IMO. We'll see how it plays out. I wouldn't be happy if the Bills made that trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 If the bills would have given up that much for Mack this board might have legit crashed..... I know he is good...but you know what he was good with the Raiders and they STILL LOST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Such a dumb move. Daaaahh Bears! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 I think I would have traded Mack for that, even if he wasn't holding out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 22 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I would have done it. I'm sure that makes me crazy, but I would have. It's a lot. I see that it's a lot and you have to pay him. But I just don't see a player you're going to get that is going to be better than him with you 1st pick next year. After that, I give up a 1st, but with Mack and all the cap space we have next year, I expect that pick to be in the 20's. I'm getting back a 2nd round pick. So I have 2 seconds and 4-7. That doesn't include any deals between now and then. I'm getting a pro-bowl player in his prime instead of unknowns. We have the money and I think he's be an absolute catalyst for our defense. The first time he takes down Brady, no one cares what it cost. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Thinking the Bears should be drafting in the bottom half of the first round over the next few years with some of the moves they have made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 There is no way Mack in 2018 is enough to get this team picking in the 20’s next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 For a guy who has ties to Buffalo, I would have done that all day. I think Gruden is going to run the Raiders into the ground, that 2020 pick swap could only be moving down ~15 spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Would have been nice to get Mack, but that’s a crazy steep price. Especially with where the Bills might be picking in 2019 and the fact that Mack will easily get $20M or more. Giving Mack $20+M would take up roughly 1/3 of their available 2019 cap space (iirc). Thats a whole lot for 1 player when the Bills have holes almost everywhere on their roster. That also cuts into the talent you can surround Allen with in free agency, and also in the draft, giving up two 1sts and a 3rd. And that to me is priority - getting Allen some help, especially at WR’s and o line. We need to give him the best chance at being successful. He is crucial to any long term success the bills may have. Add in the fact that Mack is already 27 and it doesn’t make a ton of sense for where the Bills are at now, IMO. Chances are Mack will be a very productive player for years to come. But historically, there has been a noticeable drop off in D linemen’s production after their year 7 NFL season (and/or age 31 iirc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 2 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: My whole point was the Bills weren’t going to trade the picks for Mack because they were afraid to give them up. And I feel like most of the time we just waste them anyway and I think they should be more willing to trade them for proven talent. I think that theory was better before the last CBA. The value for draft picks is a lot higher with how rookie contracts work these days. Proven talent is important, though. All-pros are pretty rare. The Jason Peters trade will always be a reminder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 13 minutes ago, Virgil said: I would have done it. I'm sure that makes me crazy, but I would have. It's a lot. I see that it's a lot and you have to pay him. But I just don't see a player you're going to get that is going to be better than him with you 1st pick next year. After that, I give up a 1st, but with Mack and all the cap space we have next year, I expect that pick to be in the 20's. I'm getting back a 2nd round pick. So I have 2 seconds and 4-7. That doesn't include any deals between now and then. I'm getting a pro-bowl player in his prime instead of unknowns. We have the money and I think he's be an absolute catalyst for our defense. The first time he takes down Brady, no one cares what it cost. You may be right. But a lot of folks were saying the same about Justin Houston after his first four seasons and his play has been spotty at best since. It's too early to say whether they paid too much. He is a stud in his prime and many in the industry say he is an even better human being. If he turns into another JJ Watt no one will be complaining about the price to acquire him. But that is the kind of haul that can move you into the top five of the draft for a team like the Bills whom many are saying may be drafting in the top 15 next year. That can net you a player four years younger on a more salary cap friendly deal that can be just as dominating. But the way this FO is drafting they don't need to get into the top 5 to get a game changing talent. So I'm good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 7 hours ago, AmishRifle said: I’m still left scratching my head on why Gruden would let him go. Bears! Talk about a dark horse winning the race. Look at every move Gruden has made since becoming the head coach. The Raiders are going to be a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Adam SchefterVerified account @AdamSchefter 54s54 seconds ago Khalil Mack and the Bears just reached agreeement on a record-setting 6-year, $141 million extension ($23.5M per year avg) that includes $90M guaranteed and $60M at signing, source tells ESPN. Mack is the new highest-paid defensive player in NFL history. 1 reply 51 retweets 19 likes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Hey Khalil, I'm a fifth cousin twice removed on your dad's side. How about a loan? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Mack is good but glad the Bills didn’t give up that farm for him.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: If the bills would have given up that much for Mack this board might have legit crashed..... I know he is good...but you know what he was good with the Raiders and they STILL LOST And the raiders had a hell of a lot more on offense than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 The compensation and the contract would be tough to swallow. A ton of eggs in one basket. Mack needs to average double digit sacks over the next 4 years for that to make some sense. That’s not easily done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 I know Oakland fans must feel sick right now. But long-term the Raiders may have last laugh. Thats a lot of picks, and possibly high 1st rd picks, bc i dont think the Bears will win more than 7 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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