Motorin' Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Nobody is forgetting about the O-Line. It's one of the the biggest question marks and weaknesses of the team right now. There's at least two reasons why Allen makes the O-line better, or at least more effective. 1. The D can't stack the box due to Allen's long ball threat. Not only does this open up the run game, but stacking the box against Peterman also defends against his greatest strength, which is quick hitters overs the middle. (And his his throws to the sideline are a Pick 6 waiting to happen.) 2. Allen has better pocket mobility than Peterman to extend the play, and greater arm strength to deliver into tight windows down field late in the play. Allen should start Game 3. Short of catastrophic failures, like 6 INT's, or four straight 3 & outs, the starting QB position should be Allen's to lose. However, the O-Line needs to be the biggest area for upgrade ASAP. Camp cuts, maybe a trade, and definitly heading into next years off seasons plans. I will say that I am encouraged about Peterman's ability to be a long term #2. He seems like a team player who will do whatever it takes to help the team win. Even if that means being an assistant coach to Allen on the sidelines, and coming in in relief. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 1 minute ago, 3rdand12 said: and to you as well. and The O line ****. Why is this confusing to you? Poster is going mad about the OL and I sad step away from the ledge.....or are you trying to make me think that you are confused JUST so you can confuse me into stepping over the ledge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 It's about Allen, but the piss-poor OL is being called out.... https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/1030819686487937024 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Who do you think is trading starting level offensive linemen 2 weeks before the season? A team with 7 good o lineman and/or a desire to gather draft picks? i don’t hate the idea. Probably only need a couple guards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 22 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: The Bills are making the starting QB decision based on what the line looks likeas it's been discussed in many other threads. It's not happening and it shouldn't. Beane did address the line in UFA with the signings of Bodine and Newhouse. Additionally he drafted Teller. Allen will start or not based on his own development path and performance on the field. /thread Exactly this^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) Might as well just forfeit until that group starts playing better. Someone gotta play QB. After seeing what Peterman did under pressure last season, forfeit is the best option Edited August 18, 2018 by BananaB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Get Teller and Groy in the starting Lineup for week 3 and let’s see where we are at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Boca BIlls said: This logic does not make sense. Let's just forfeit every game until we get better lineman I heard Brady wants to sit also since they just lost their rookie. It is not logic. But its real. a deep seated fear that Bills Finally have a Real QB ! It's scary as hell. for long timers who have been waiting eons. And our "moved up to take The Franchise QB " is such a cherished moment. I do not want my favorite christmas broken the day after christmas. Some is going to get him killed. Thats what i see 2 minutes ago, fansince88 said: Why is this confusing to you? Poster is going mad about the OL and I sad step away from the ledge.....or are you trying to make me think that you are confused JUST so you can confuse me into stepping over the ledge? Yes. so many ledges for Bills fans, and only so much time. I fear the O line is not very good at all right now. Signed Concerned 2 minutes ago, BananaB said: Might as well just forfeit until that group starts playing better. I have considered it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Every fan base cries about their OL. By now, we should understand these behemoths are actually highly skilled, talented football players vs the ‘Bouncers off the street’ so many infer. There isn’t a single NFL OL player that doesn’t deserve the rare prestige of being on a final NFL roster -if only for continued evaluation. Its all about scheme and acquiring OLmen with skill sets best suited to it. If, as suggested, Dabol plans different schemes week to week, then the jury is out on how well this novel approach may work. Are Defensive Ends & Linebackers better athletes and trimmer body styles than OL? Of course. Therein lies the challenges of protection and initial hole run blocking tactics. Just because we don’t know these guys like we knew Wood, Incog & Glenn (with all their detractors) doesn’t mean Bubba & Jimbob from the corner gin mill can step in and be better. Its ALL about scheme fit. Bills forgot about bringing an Oline last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Who do you think is trading starting level offensive linemen 2 weeks before the season? Buzzkill 2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: A team with 7 good o lineman and/or a desire to gather draft picks? i don’t hate the idea. Probably only need a couple guards. and how many teams fall into that category? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: A team with 7 good o lineman and/or a desire to gather draft picks? i don’t hate the idea. Probably only need a couple guards. There is no oline depth around the league. The number of backups on other teams (that are not rookies being developed) that would make any difference is very, very small. I'd guess at less than half a dozen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Get Teller and Groy in the starting Lineup for week 3 and let’s see where we are at. Penn is gonna be pissed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eee1776 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Mcd and Bean need to start farting around. Everyone knows by now Josh will be our stating QB day one. Next pre season game I will not be shocked that Allen will be named starter. Need to Fix O line Especially LG. Groy to center. We now have a few weeks left to get some continuity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: A team with 7 good o lineman and/or a desire to gather draft picks? i don’t hate the idea. Probably only need a couple guards. Any suggestions? These threads are typically general statements but rarely can anyone give a specific remedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 16 minutes ago, Gugny said: Ben Roethlisberger hasn't had an o-line for 14 years. Yeah, Bell gains all those yards on his own. /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 OL is an overrated position... Who actually drafted peterman? I have seen better junior high QBs.I mean--if you have a weak arm at least be savvy and not an interception machine. ..Lets just hope hope hope that somehow this OL surprises us and is better than people think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, Gugny said: Ben Roethlisberger hasn't had an o-line for 14 years. Huh? Pouncey, Villanueva, and DeCastro all went to the Pro Bowl this past year and they ranked #1 in sacks per game in 2016. Their depth is also great. Granted, the past few years have been better than in the past, but they've usually been about average in sacks allowed during Roethlisberger's time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Any suggestions? These threads are typically general statements but rarely can anyone give a specific remedy. Agreed. Who we trading for OP? Don’t make us do your homework for your thread. Put some thought into viable trade candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: and to you as well. and The O line ****. Three Our Fathers, three Hail Marys and and extra $20 in the basket on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, klos63 said: Buzzkill and how many teams fall into that category? I didn’t say it’s easy. Maybe someone has a guy that is good but not in their specific scheme? maybe a backfill draft pick is good enough to allow a pricey vet to be traded. It’s not easy but I don’t see why it’s a bad thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) His line a Wyoming was a lot worse I think he makes quick reads and gets the ball out on time. I was more worried week 1 when he was behind the future cuts and practice squad line I remember Jimbo getting drilled behind a pretty good line back in the day. You just get up dust your self off and go back to the bench and yell at the big fat dummies Edited August 18, 2018 by JMF2006 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 33 minutes ago, Yeezus said: Don't care how good Josh Allen looked yesterday, don't care how well he plays in the next 2 games. No team in there right mind should risk their future franchise QB behind that mess we have put together as an offensive line 2-3 of those players wouldn't even be in the NFL had it not been for the Bills for some reason still sticking with them. Beane has failed to address the Oline for the 2nd offseason in a row and its showing in preseason (and training camp). Look, we aren't going to win many games this season, lets stop being delusional. This is a rebuild year. It isn't worth risking the future of your team just to win a few games. Let Peterman start and go from there. Good thing you are back and trolling again. So the starting o-line looked bad with McCarron as QB and that should impact all decisions- glad you are not in the FO. That same #1 o-line gave Peterman in week 1 enough time and space to be successful and Allen seemed ok behind the same line. McCarron struggled behind the 2nd line in week 1 - so maybe it is not the line as much as the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 23 minutes ago, Yeezus said: Don't care how good Josh Allen looked yesterday, don't care how well he plays in the next 2 games. No team in there right mind should risk their future franchise QB behind that mess we have put together as an offensive line 2-3 of those players wouldn't even be in the NFL had it not been for the Bills for some reason still sticking with them. Beane has failed to address the Oline for the 2nd offseason in a row and its showing in preseason (and training camp). Look, we aren't going to win many games this season, lets stop being delusional. This is a rebuild year. It isn't worth risking the future of your team just to win a few games. Let Peterman start and go from there. Actually one offseason as Beane wasn't GM at 2017 draft and most of the good players were signed by them. However losing Glenn , Ritchie and Wood is a huge blow and SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED THIS OFFSEASON. I want Allen to start but definitely am concerned about the bums in front of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Yeezus threads........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 1 hour ago, H2o said: Ducasse, again, is the weakest link imo. I don't know what the hell they see in him, but he is a liability. He is manhandled on a consistent basis and needs to be off the team. on the bench. FTFY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 John McKay himself would agree that it is truly offensive. This should be what everyone is talking about today, not QBs, not LBs, not WRs. Focus on the trenches people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Who do you think is trading starting level offensive linemen 2 weeks before the season? Probably no one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Cause they never do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Part of the reason the O line sucked is because McCarron holds on to the ball too long. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Any suggestions? These threads are typically general statements but rarely can anyone give a specific remedy. Im not a GM. I’d start by looking at the Cowboys. They have a stout line, might have good depth, may have a youngster that can backfill a vet. Free agents? Joeckel is out there, worth a look? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 There are multiple OL threads already active right now. For those who care to look. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 33 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: The Bills are making the starting QB decision based on what the line looks like as it's been discussed in many other threads. It's not happening and it shouldn't. Beane did address the line in UFA with the signings of Bodine and Newhouse. Additionally he drafted Teller. Allen will start or not based on his own development path and performance on the field. /thread that was not not enough to address the Oline, not even close. I do think Allen will start based on his performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Cause there is already a thread concerning O line play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Just now, Buffalo Barbarian said: that was not not enough to address the Oline, not even close. I do think Allen will start based on his performance. What would you have done oh wise one? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Just now, Clyde Smith said: Cause there is already a thread concerning O line play. Two others. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Was there a problem with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 We are , this is the third thread on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 We were waiting for you to start a thread on it chief 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Actually one offseason as Beane wasn't GM at 2017 draft and most of the good players were signed by them. However losing Glenn , Ritchie and Wood is a huge blow and SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED THIS OFFSEASON. I want Allen to start but definitely am concerned about the bums in front of him. They already had Glenn’s replacement in Dawkins. Free agency begins in mid-March. The RI situation came to a head on April 14th. The heir apparent for Wood was supposed to be Groy, and I think he will fill in just fine in time. Overall, I think the FO did the best they could to deal with the loss of RI. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Screw the OL, why is nobody talking about who the starting QB should be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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