HumbleAndHungry Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Why would we burn draft picks trading for top level talent when we will be going into 2019 with the most cap space in the NFL. Let Allen gain some valuable experience this year and load up next season through the draft and free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) I think it would make sense for them to scour the waiver wire if a young player makes an aging one expendable somewhere around the league. Edited August 18, 2018 by BullBuchanan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 TT needs better WRs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 You know what our O Line needs?...................a flashy nickname The Juice had the Electric Coimpany. Riggins had the Hogs So what do we call this line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) I like how people are treating Josh Allen like he is a baby and he better not go over to grandpa’s house because he smokes cigs. This is freaking football. The Bills will be a run heavy offense and there is NO REASON other than he isn’t ready, that he should not be the starter. Yeezus, when you post something it is safe to say the opposite of what you want is what should happen. Edited August 18, 2018 by Binghamton Beast 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Im not a GM. I’d start by looking at the Cowboys. They have a stout line, might have good depth, may have a youngster that can backfill a vet. Free agents? Joeckel is out there, worth a look? Cool, who on the Cowboys? The same Joecka that has been injury prone and just not any good either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Im not a GM. I’d start by looking at the Cowboys. They have a stout line, might have good depth, may have a youngster that can backfill a vet. Free agents? Joeckel is out there, worth a look? Go watch the games Tyron Smith missed last season. Brutal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 12 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: John McKay himself would agree that it is truly offensive. This should be what everyone is talking about today, not QBs, not LBs, not WRs. Focus on the trenches people. Maybe look to the front page and the multiple o-line threads for an answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: What would you have done oh wise one? Would have signed much better guys and drafted them before the friggin 5th round. I'm not looking it up as it's not worth my time but there are definitely better guys then what we got. We lost 3 All Pros and didn't do nearly enough to replace them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Just now, Buffalo Barbarian said: Would have signed much better guys and drafted them before the friggin 5th round. I'm not looking it up as it's not worth my time but there are definitely better guys then what we got. We lost 3 All Pros and didn't do nearly enough to replace them. They drafted Allen and Edmunds as key players in the 1st round. So what players would you have drafted and signed in UFA. I want names dammit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 44 minutes ago, MPT said: No need for hyperbole. There is somewhere between arguably the worst line in the league and "5 pro bowl lineman." Some people just don't want to see Allen get injured like McCarron did. Same goes with the backs.McCoy hit a wall multiple times. Later, when the 2's &3's were in they got some blocking. The off season signings by the regime are all dumpster signings. And it shows. Besides Dawkins who got schooled last nite. It's possible there are NO other starting grade lineman. Vlad blows, Mills isn't even an NFL caliber RT. imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 19 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: Three Our Fathers, three Hail Marys and and extra $20 in the basket on Sunday. well make it $40 now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 30 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It's not as if top caliber OL are just waiting to be snatched up with an overabundance in the league and they were dealt an unexpected blow with the retirement of Richie Incognito on top of Wood leaving due to career ending injury. It is what it is, but there's no reason to baby Allen if he's ready. I get what you're saying and I largely agree. However, you can't have your QB getting destroyed from the blind side like what (very unfortunately) happened to AJ. Because of that, he's done for the rest of preseason and into October, assuming he makes the team. If Allen starts and gets injured due to poor blocking, you're down to Peterman. Not a good scenario. There is absolutely work that needs to be done with the blocking assignments, as well as possibly scheme and technique, so the QB has a chance to stay healthy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: They already had Glenn’s replacement in Dawkins. Free agency begins in mid-March. The RI situation came to a head on April 14th. The heir apparent for Wood was supposed to be Groy, and I think he will fill in just fine in time. Overall, I think the FO did the best they could to deal with the loss of RI. We have needed a RT for 3 years and Miller sucked last year and they did nothing about those spots. I'm a big believer in Beane but he missed on the online as well as WR. I know we had a lot of holes on defense but if I'm drafting my franchise QB I'm getting him all the help he needs first so he can succeed and not get killed in the process and fix the D next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Just now, Happy Gilmore said: I get what you're saying and I largely agree. However, you can't have your QB getting destroyed from the blind side like what (very unfortunately) happened to AJ. Because of that, he's done for the rest of preseason and into October, assuming he makes the team. If Allen starts and gets injured due to poor blocking, you're down to Peterman. Not a good scenario. There is absolutely work that needs to be done with the blocking assignments, as well as possibly scheme and technique, so the QB has a chance to stay healthy. So you want McDermott to preach to the team that they're doing everything to win, but we're not going to play Josh as the best QB because you offensive lineman might get him killed. So hey Nathan, we'll play you instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 18 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: John McKay himself would agree that it is truly offensive. This should be what everyone is talking about today, not QBs, not LBs, not WRs. Focus on the trenches people. It might be offensive too other teams. Saying the Bills even have a OL. A sieve may be a better description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Warcodered Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 People just seem so terrified that Allen playing with this line will get him hurt and psychologically scar him preventing him from becoming a great quarterback. But his record indicates the exact opposite. In the very first game Allen started at Wyoming he broke his collar bone in multiple places and was done for the season. This is after no one recruited him and he had to fight to get one college to give him a shot. Then the season he comes back he does so well that a quarter back from Wyoming gets mentioned as a potential number 1 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 1 hour ago, H2o said: Ducasse, again, is the weakest link imo. I don't know what the hell they see in him, but he is a liability. He is manhandled on a consistent basis and needs to be on the bench. The thing that drives me nuts about Decause is he constantly lets defenders get under his pads..... YOUR NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 56 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: So, after Peterman gets destroyed behind “this Oline” because he’s not very mobile and takes much longer than Allen to get the ball out, what do we do then? Right. Then we play the guy who should have been playing all along, the rookie, because he is the only QB we have that can flourish in this offense. This. The "you can't start a rookie QB" posts are becoming more goofy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 What part of the special teams is offensive lions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 45 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: We made the playoffs last year. What is missing from 2017 that makes 2018 a rebuilding year? Please be specific and please don't say Preston Brown. our two best offensive linemen for starters, and considering he is saying that the oline sucks and that's why we shouldn't start allen, well, he does have a point, at least enough to be concerned. I would prefer to see him not start either, solely based on the Oline play, but, if he starts, I won't be upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: We have needed a RT for 3 years and Miller sucked last year and they did nothing about those spots. I'm a big believer in Beane but he missed on the online as well as WR. I know we had a lot of holes on defense but if I'm drafting my franchise QB I'm getting him all the help he needs first so he can succeed and not get killed in the process and fix the D next year. I think this o-line, once they get the personnel straight, will be vastly better than they showed last night. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 I’m not sure what good any of this will do. Hopefully with AJ out of the mix, we aren’t forced to see Bodine starting. Groy at C gives us 3 solid linemen along with Dawkins and Miller. Mills is ok at RT, upgradeable for sure, but playable. We can go out and trade/sign for a LG but it seems we’d need a Quenton Nelson to unseat Vlad’s deathgrip on a starting spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 1 hour ago, SoTier said: The level of denial about the quality -- or more correctly, lack of quality -- of the Bills OL in this thread is amazing. What excuse comes next, boys and girls? Since we've already had the BS about playing "vanilla" schemes in preseason, when is the second favorite excuse for OLs -- "the OL needs time to gel" -- make its appearance? Preseason game 3 I expect. All the coaching and game planning in the world isn't going to turn a collection of busts, never-weres, and never-will-bes into a starting caliber NFL OL. So what’s the plan to fix the line before the season starts? Please be specific Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: They already had Glenn’s replacement in Dawkins. Free agency begins in mid-March. The RI situation came to a head on April 14th. The heir apparent for Wood was supposed to be Groy, and I think he will fill in just fine in time. Overall, I think the FO did the best they could to deal with the loss of RI. and should we again discuss our extensive evaluation of Mills and Ducasse ? before the surprises they should have been upgrading these two. Like last year ! Like others i suspect they are going to get the Offense better sorted with additions to bolster them across the board. NEXT YEAR !! edited Maybe Castillo is not here next year as well ? But Bills have done some good work on the line. I like the draft picks. Groy i like at center. But Bodine should be playing the spot. Beane pick up btw . Groy can play guard . Bodine hasn't since high school or something. Odd pick up if he doesn't start. Edited August 18, 2018 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 3 hours ago, BigDingus said: AJ didn't just hurt himself... Allen hasn't been playing against 1st team defenses going up against our porous line. People always look at parts of the picture instead of the whole thing. Sure, Allen isn't playing with the 1's... but let's not pretend our 1's are world-beaters or something. We're not throwing him in with a loaded team like we had when Orton took over for EJ, or the Cowboys inserting Dak behind a powerhouse line with great playmakers at skill positions... We have a pretty good, injury-prone WR, a great but older RB, and a notably worse O-line than last year, when last year was already a significant step back from the prior season. Let Allen look good in PRESEASON against backups and guys trying to make the roster. Give him time to build confidence and learn. The last thing he needs is to get thrashed around, then running for his life feeling he needs to win it on his own and end up getting lost for the season. So he will be better off watching ('learning") someone else get thrashed running around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: The thing that drives me nuts about Decause is he constantly lets defenders get under his pads..... YOUR NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT And because of this he gets pushed all over the place. He consistently gets beaten at the point of attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 OP - You do realize we can do things schematically to help our OL, correct? Lets assume our OL is as bad as they looked last night. Worst case scenario.. We can use TE’s heavily and keep them in to block. We can run screens and utilize RBs to keep the pass rush honest. We can move the pocket since Allen is mobile. Etc etc etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 I think it’s offensive that no one is discussing the offensive line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 33 minutes ago, MPT said: Huh? Pouncey, Villanueva, and DeCastro all went to the Pro Bowl this past year and they ranked #1 in sacks per game in 2016. Their depth is also great. Granted, the past few years have been better than in the past, but they've usually been about average in sacks allowed during Roethlisberger's time. And this board laughed when I wanted DeCastro in the first round. Relax. They will be an average OL this year with Groy at C. Keep investing in OL. Miller is going to be very good this year. Dawkins will be fine. Mills is what he is. Groy will be fine. Teller is the LG of the future. Next year draft a C in round 2 or 3. Look at a new RT in FA. Or vice-versa. They will have a ton of cap money. Go get a top tier FA C or RT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 17 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: well make it $40 now.... That was for you bucko. An extra $40 it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 33 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Agreed. Who we trading for OP? Don’t make us do your homework for your thread. Put some thought into viable trade candidates. Well our line is real bad and rookie QB could get hurt.........so.... Lets trade our Rookie QB to a team with a really good line and maybe a really good QB that way he is on the pine so he can't get hurt Then with our improved line we can get a veteran scrub QB like we always do to throw 20 TD`s and 20 picks and finish 7-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, H2o said: And because of this he gets pushed all over the place. He consistently gets beaten at the point of attack. Have no fear. Wyatt Teller will be in that spot soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 1 minute ago, SCBills said: OP - You do realize we can do things schematically to help our OL, correct? Lets assume our OL is as bad as they looked last night. Worst case scenario.. We can use TE’s heavily and keep them in to block. We can run screens and utilize RBs to keep the pass rush honest. We can move the pocket since Allen is mobile. Etc etc etc. a missed block is a missed block. But you are quite correct, and Bills might well be pinning their hopes and Daboll and Castillo making magic happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 26 minutes ago, Finkle Is Einhorn said: Why would we burn draft picks trading for top level talent when we will be going into 2019 with the most cap space in the NFL. Let Allen gain some valuable experience this year and load up next season through the draft and free agency. Agreed. Burn draft picks for Mack but not OL. Use FA money on C or RT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 29 minutes ago, Degenerate Mike in HHDS said: Was there a problem with it? It makes me sad..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, SCBills said: I’m not sure what good any of this will do. Hopefully with AJ out of the mix, we aren’t forced to see Bodine starting. Groy at C gives us 3 solid linemen along with Dawkins and Miller. Mills is ok at RT, upgradeable for sure, but playable. We can go out and trade/sign for a LG but it seems we’d need a Quenton Nelson to unseat Vlad’s deathgrip on a starting spot. Someone needs to steal the memory stick from him with all the compromising photos of Castillo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimKellyTryouts Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Should I make a fourth thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 This looks like the group we have for this season unless a team that drafted offensive linemen happens to release a vet due to financial reasons in cuts......we have to make sure we have the best of the OL we CURRENTLY have are on the field...... Dawkins is fine.....one pre season game with no help against a monster like Garrett does not change that Decauuse......I would love to see Teller get a chance to supplant him Groy should already be the starter Miller is under rated....and the scheme fits him Mills is a player we are gonna have to live with this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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