BigDingus Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 AJ didn't just hurt himself... Allen hasn't been playing against 1st team defenses going up against our porous line. People always look at parts of the picture instead of the whole thing. Sure, Allen isn't playing with the 1's... but let's not pretend our 1's are world-beaters or something. We're not throwing him in with a loaded team like we had when Orton took over for EJ, or the Cowboys inserting Dak behind a powerhouse line with great playmakers at skill positions... We have a pretty good, injury-prone WR, a great but older RB, and a notably worse O-line than last year, when last year was already a significant step back from the prior season. Let Allen look good in PRESEASON against backups and guys trying to make the roster. Give him time to build confidence and learn. The last thing he needs is to get thrashed around, then running for his life feeling he needs to win it on his own and end up getting lost for the season. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Just now, BigDingus said: AJ didn't just hurt himself... Allen hasn't been playing against 1st team defenses going up against our porous line. People always look at parts of the picture instead of the whole thing. Sure, Allen isn't playing with the 1's... but let's not pretend our 1's are world-beaters or something. We're not throwing him in with a loaded team like we had when Orton took over for EJ, or the Cowboys inserting Dak behind a powerhouse line with great playmakers at skill positions... We have a pretty good, injury-prone WR, a great but older RB, and a notably worse O-line than last year, when last year was already a significant step back from the prior season. Let Allen look good in PRESEASON against backups and guys trying to make the roster. Give him time to build confidence and learn. The last thing he needs is to get thrashed around, then running for his life feeling he needs to win it on his own and end up getting lost for the season. To the contrary, there are active threads discussing both Ducasse and Dawkins so I don't think anyone is overlooking the OL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 No disrespect, but you just made a lot of assertions based on two preseason games. I will wait, however, to disagree with your assessment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 With the way this OL is he's going to play sooner or later this year anyway. Peterman cannot extend plays and will be a sitting duck. He has a weak arm. It's not a good recipe at all. Bad OL, weak arm QB who cannot extend plays but will have to run for his life. Peterman doesn't need another 5 INT game. It's a major possibility if the OL plays like it did last night. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, NewEraBills said: With the way this OL is he's going to play sooner or later this year anyway. Peterman cannot extend plays and will be a sitting duck. He has a weak arm. It's not a good recipe at all. Bad OL, weak arm QB who cannot extend plays but will have to run for his life. Peterman doesn't need another 5 INT game. It's a major possibility if the OL plays like it did last night. ...well they did open a ton of holes for Shady, right??........... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, BigDingus said: AJ didn't just hurt himself... Allen hasn't been playing against 1st team defenses going up against our porous line. People always look at parts of the picture instead of the whole thing. Sure, Allen isn't playing with the 1's... but let's not pretend our 1's are world-beaters or something. We're not throwing him in with a loaded team like we had when Orton took over for EJ, or the Cowboys inserting Dak behind a powerhouse line with great playmakers at skill positions... We have a pretty good, injury-prone WR, a great but older RB, and a notably worse O-line than last year, when last year was already a significant step back from the prior season. Let Allen look good in PRESEASON against backups and guys trying to make the roster. Give him time to build confidence and learn. The last thing he needs is to get thrashed around, then running for his life feeling he needs to win it on his own and end up getting lost for the season. In your world we lose a couple of winnable games until the oline gets Peterman killed. then we bring in Allen and get him killed. In my world, seeing the whole picture, I realize that Allen is far stronger, quicker and faster, and much more able to make do with the sad sack line than j peterman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Allen's athleticism can help make up for blocking deficiencies, as evidenced by his TD pass last night. He's not a statue back there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 So which is it? The OL from Game 1 that had some schemed motion and chip blocks and kept everyone upright OR the OL from Game 2 that was vanilla and had some missed assignments? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 The Browns brought alot of pressure last night in the 1st team series. This is a product of not game planning. While I think the o line needs to improve prior to the regular season, I also don't think they'll be as bad what it looked like last night 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, SCBills said: So which is it? The OL from Game 1 that had some schemed motion and chip blocks and kept everyone upright OR the OL from Game 2 that was vanilla and had some missed assignments? It's true they looked good in the 1st game. They were so bad last night I forgot about it! How is that possible? Sure the opponents differ but come on. And for the OP, the O Line is discussed in all the threads I've looked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said: Allen's athleticism can help make up for blocking deficiencies, as evidenced by his TD pass last night. He's not a statue back there. The OL is def a problem, but... Like you said, he is alot more athletic/mobile than most give him credit for. He moves around pretty well (footwork isn't always pretty), but some of what we lost with Tyrods departure, Allen can make up for. Besides that, the thing I think gets most overlooked (and also evident on that TD), is how fast his release is. I saw on Soul and Science they said his release was faster than Brady. I didn't believe it. Now I do. Once he decides to throw the ball, it's GONE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, SCBills said: So which is it? The OL from Game 1 that had some schemed motion and chip blocks and kept everyone upright OR the OL from Game 2 that was vanilla and had some missed assignments? ....Airhorn Greggy was a genius and Daboll had no answers......oh boy.......knowing that Greggy would certainly bring pressure, going vanilla made perfect sense...ask McCarron.... Edited August 18, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 38 minutes ago, BigDingus said: AJ didn't just hurt himself... Allen hasn't been playing against 1st team defenses going up against our porous line. People always look at parts of the picture instead of the whole thing. Sure, Allen isn't playing with the 1's... but let's not pretend our 1's are world-beaters or something. We're not throwing him in with a loaded team like we had when Orton took over for EJ, or the Cowboys inserting Dak behind a powerhouse line with great playmakers at skill positions... We have a pretty good, injury-prone WR, a great but older RB, and a notably worse O-line than last year, when last year was already a significant step back from the prior season. Let Allen look good in PRESEASON against backups and guys trying to make the roster. Give him time to build confidence and learn. The last thing he needs is to get thrashed around, then running for his life feeling he needs to win it on his own and end up getting lost for the season. Both sets of starters were still on the field when Allen came on. Pocket awareness was vastly different. AJ just stands there. Allen's TD would have been a sack with either other QB in. I complained about the free rushers Allen was facing too. He could just deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Like I've been saying, you got to get Bodine out of that lineup. Ducasse sucks as well. at this point I'd like to see Groy at Center and let's bring that Teller kid up to play guard. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyToTasker Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 29 minutes ago, SCBills said: So which is it? The OL from Game 1 that had some schemed motion and chip blocks and kept everyone upright OR the OL from Game 2 that was vanilla and had some missed assignments? I'm sure McDermott told Daboll to tone back the offense from game 1, concerned that they were showing too much. They're still tinkering and evaluating. Ducasse was rough, Dawkins didn't play to his standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, KellyToTasker said: I'm sure McDermott told Daboll to tone back the offense from game 1, concerned that they were showing too much. They're still tinkering and evaluating. Ducasse was rough, Dawkins didn't play to his standard. In both games free rushers was coming from the left to. If I heard #56 was unblocked one more time against Carolina....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Every fan base cries about their OL. By now, we should understand these behemoths are actually highly skilled, talented football players vs the ‘Bouncers off the street’ so many infer. There isn’t a single NFL OL player that doesn’t deserve the rare prestige of being on a final NFL roster -if only for continued evaluation. Its all about scheme and acquiring OLmen with skill sets best suited to it. If, as suggested, Dabol plans different schemes week to week, then the jury is out on how well this novel approach may work. Are Defensive Ends & Linebackers better athletes and trimmer body styles than OL? Of course. Therein lies the challenges of protection and initial hole run blocking tactics. Just because we don’t know these guys like we knew Wood, Incog & Glenn (with all their detractors) doesn’t mean Bubba & Jimbob from the corner gin mill can step in and be better. Its ALL about scheme fit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Every fan base cries about their OL. By now, we should understand these behemoths are actually highly skilled, talented football players vs the ‘Bouncers off the street’ so many infer. There isn’t a single NFL OL player that doesn’t deserve the rare prestige of being on a final NFL roster -if only for continued evaluation. Its all about scheme and acquiring OLmen with skill sets best suited to it. If, as suggested, Dabol plans different schemes week to week, then the jury is out on how well this novel approach my work. Are Defensive Ends & Linebackers better athletes and trimmer body styles than OL? Of course. There in lies the challenges of protection and initial hole run blocking tactics. Just because we don’t know these guys like we knew Wood, Incog & Glenn (with all their detractors) doesn’t mean Bubba & Jimbob from the corner gin mill can step in and be better. Its ALL about scheme fit. This. Aside from maybe 3-4 teams, every other team has to “make it work” on the OL. Nobody is trotting our 4-5 stud linemen week to week. Edited August 18, 2018 by SCBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderGun Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Also going overlooked by the OP is the fact that all through training camp I’m pretty sure McCarron took more sacks than Peterman and Allen combined. While he certainly wasn’t getting help from the OL, it’s not as if he does then any favors with his lack of quick decision making. Also not sure what game you were watching, even though Allen didn’t have Myles Garrett in his grill, he definitely saw his fair share of pressure and did a better job handling it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 1 hour ago, BigDingus said: AJ didn't just hurt himself... Allen hasn't been playing against 1st team defenses going up against our porous line. People always look at parts of the picture instead of the whole thing. Sure, Allen isn't playing with the 1's... but let's not pretend our 1's are world-beaters or something. We're not throwing him in with a loaded team like we had when Orton took over for EJ, or the Cowboys inserting Dak behind a powerhouse line with great playmakers at skill positions... We have a pretty good, injury-prone WR, a great but older RB, and a notably worse O-line than last year, when last year was already a significant step back from the prior season. Let Allen look good in PRESEASON against backups and guys trying to make the roster. Give him time to build confidence and learn. The last thing he needs is to get thrashed around, then running for his life feeling he needs to win it on his own and end up getting lost for the season. I don't think anyone is forgetting the O-Line...it's being discussed here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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