Josh Allen ain’t bad

[twist_to_open]

We're being awfully critical of a guy who hasn't play in a football game in several months and was his first time playing against NFL level talent in a new system. I thought overall he did good under the circumstances and am excited to see his development continue.

[CSBill]

7 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Today was proof he isn't ready to start, but he's clearly a talent worth developing. Once he learns the game he will be unstoppable... assuming we have receivers who can keep up.

 

Today was proof that the 3rd string o-line sucks--most of the time he was running for his life, put him with NFL players and see what he can do.

[LeGOATski]

30 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said:

Almost counts in horseshoes, but that didn’t happen. You think Peterman or McCarron would have had the night they had behind the OL Allen had? If you’re gonna nitpick the bad , give credit for the good

 

You made a specific statement and I made a specific counter-argument.

 

Your quip about horseshoes is worthless. If you have nothing valuable to add, then don't bother.

 

None of the O-lines performed very well, as a whole. I don't think McCarron's line was much better than Allen's, if at all.

14 minutes ago, twist_to_open said:

We're being awfully critical of a guy who hasn't play in a football game in several months and was his first time playing against NFL level talent in a new system. I thought overall he did good under the circumstances and am excited to see his development continue.

And awfully critical of Edmunds...and Foster....

 

Everyone is excited. 

 

That doesn't matter.

[T master]

Time is needed for him to develop into a good NFL QB saw a lot of mistake kind of passes if he was to go from the start 7 & 9 would be the best this team would see this year !! 

 

Peterman looked good with the 1's now it's AJ's turn with the 1's then we can get a real over view of both ! 

 

Both AJ & Nate looked good though from what i saw but i'm still liking AJ to be our starter .

[SouthNYfan]

8 hours ago, Commonsense said:

It’s an easy thing to say when Peterman and AJM play lights out. Folks will be singing a different tune as soon as those two show how “average” they really are.

 

It almost sucks that both played so well tonight because seeing Allen with the 1’s or 2’s would give us more insight and that’s not going to happen next week. 

 

Allen needs to improve each week, he was patient in the pocket but things need to develop faster. Tough to tell if that was him, the WRs or both.

 

Foster did himself no favors nor his QB. If you want to make the team you have to lay out for that ball, instead he throws up the mitts in a half baked attempt. 

 

Agree completely.

I think Allen stares his target down a bit also.

I noticed this in his college film, doesn't seem to have changed much at all.

Foster sucks.

[Kirby Jackson]

If you came out of there unimpressed by Allen you didn’t watch the game. I was with some Steeler fans and they were blown away. The one guy was all fired up yelling at us “how can you not love this guy?!?” He was fantastic. Allen is a great athlete, with a cannon. He made 4 or 5 throws in that game that no one other than Aaron Rodgers can make. I’m excited to see him play with Corey Coleman so he can run under those bombs. Allen played with a garbage OL and CFL receivers.

Edited August 10, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

If you came out of there unimpressed by Allen you didn’t watch the game. I was with some Steeler fans and they were blown away. The one guy was all fired up yelling at us “how can you not love this guy?!?” He was fantastic. Allen is a great athlete, with a cannon. He made 4 or 5 throws in that game that no one other than Aaron Rodgers can make. I’m excited to see him play with Corey Coleman so he can run under those bombs. 

I was honestly thinking the same thing.  Only player I’ve seen make the rope throw to Ray-Ray and the TD to Ray-Ray like that, is Rodgers. 

[mjt328]

The thing that stood out to me was Josh Allen's ability to escape the rush.  Even when defenders got hands on him, they couldn't seem to bring him down.  It was very similar to what Ben Roethlisberger and Cam Newton bring to the table.

 

On the night, there were at least 2-3 "wow" throws from Allen.  The zip and placement on that touchdown was impressive.  I know that people were always impressed with EJ Manuel's physical abilities too, but I don't ever remember being wowed by anything he actually did on the field. 

 

Quite a few of Allen's incompletions were the fault of his receivers.  Either drops or poorly run routes.  Between the sieve of an offensive line, and the awful play of his receivers - you have to wonder how Allen would look with the 1st or 2nd team.

 

I don't think you can fault Allen too much on the 4th down play -- simply because it was 4th down.  He was trying to make something happen and there was nothing to lose.  Now if he does that on 1st-3rd down, it's another story.

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

I was honestly thinking the same thing.  Only player I’ve seen make the rope throw to Ray-Ray and the TD to Ray-Ray like that, is Rodgers. 

How about the back foot to Khari Lee right before it? That was another Rodgers special. Considering the OL he played behind and the receivers that he played with I was thrilled. He looked way better than anyone expected.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

If you came out of there unimpressed by Allen you didn’t watch the game. I was with some Steeler fans and they were blown away. The one guy was all fired up yelling at us “how can you not love this guy?!?” He was fantastic. Allen is a great athlete, with a cannon. He made 4 or 5 throws in that game that no one other than Aaron Rodgers can make. I’m excited to see him play with Corey Coleman so he can run under those bombs. Allen played with a garbage OL and CFL receivers.

 

THIS.

 

People have made up their mind about this kid, and it's just freaking stupid. But it's the same damned people since day one, so easy to ignore.

 

[LeGOATski]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

How about the back foot to Khari Lee right before it? That was another Rodgers special. Considering the OL he played behind and the receivers that he played with I was thrilled. He looked way better than anyone expected.

I thought that was more...Matt Stafford-esque.

 

The kid can do it all. Hopefully, he pieces it all together.

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

The thing that stood out to me was Josh Allen's ability to escape the rush.  Even when defenders got hands on him, they couldn't seem to bring him down.  It was very similar to what Ben Roethlisberger and Cam Newton bring to the table.

 

On the night, there were at least 2-3 "wow" throws from Allen.  The zip and placement on that touchdown was impressive.  I know that people were always impressed with EJ Manuel's physical abilities too, but I don't ever remember being wowed by anything he actually did on the field. 

 

Quite a few of Allen's incompletions were the fault of his receivers.  Either drops or poorly run routes.  Between the sieve of an offensive line, and the awful play of his receivers - you have to wonder how Allen would look with the 1st or 2nd team.

 

I don't think you can fault Allen too much on the 4th down play -- simply because it was 4th down.  He was trying to make something happen and there was nothing to lose.  Now if he does that on 1st-3rd down, it's another story.

 

 

I thought Allen was impressive, especially given the OL and WRs he had to work with.  His stat-line and perception looks a lot different if Foster makes that TD grab.  The media would have that “should’ve been” TD throw on a loop all day.  

 

That being said, he cannot do what he did on that 4th down play.  It was tipped up and almost picked, which would’ve led to a convoy of Panthers going the other way.  With how good our defense should be, we can’t be spotting teams TD’s like that.  It’s ok though, rookie moment and he should be able to learn from it. 

[LeGOATski]

4 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

I don't think you can fault Allen too much on the 4th down play -- simply because it was 4th down.  He was trying to make something happen and there was nothing to lose.  Now if he does that on 1st-3rd down, it's another story.

 

We can't make excuses for him either. That's the kind of stupid play that results in -7 point momentum-changer.

 

"Nothing to lose" isn't accurate. The Bills were still in the game.

[JoPar_v2]

3 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

THIS.

 

People have made up their mind about this kid, and it's just freaking stupid. But it's the same damned people since day one, so easy to ignore.

 

You could say the same thing about the posters here that have excuses for every bad thing he does and are comparing him to current/future HOFers. In this very thread I’ve seen Rodgers’ and Newton’s names brought up. That’s silly and stupid homer BS. Sorry if some people here aren’t buying that **** yet.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, JoPar_v2 said:

You could say the same thing about the posters here that have excuses for every bad thing he does and are comparing him to current/future HOFers. In this very thread I’ve seen Rodgers’ and Newton’s names brought up. That’s silly and stupid homer BS. Sorry if some people here aren’t buying that **** yet.

 

Right.

 

You haven't seen that from ME.

[Teddy KGB]

7 hours ago, Scorp83 said:

????????????

 

You can't be serious?!?!

 

He looked like that in college... bad foot work, over thrown balls...late decision making. But out of nowhere... he'll make a few throws that will "Wow" you...

 

Allen is a project, he was a project during college, coming out of college... & nothing has change. He has a little talent... but was he worth a 1st like the 5 experts thought? Heck no!

 

Other experts like Bucky Brooks, DJ, Charles Davis, heck our own best reporters, Sal, Joe B, Fairburn, ect... all said he should be a 2nd rd pick, but given the position it's not going to happen.

 

That's what people got confused on. Just cause he was projected to go in the 1st doesnt mean he was suppose to go in the 1st. Projects like Allen shouldn't sniff the 1st... but it's a QB league..& this stuff happens.

 

This is why something's I love what McBeane has done & some things I don't. 

 

Like, what made then not want Deshaun Watson??? What made him not worth the 11th pick 2 years ago? Yet, the Pegula's went gushing over Allen??? How you not gush over Watson??? 

 

But hey drafting Allen was bold... & like I've said... "Its a bold strategy Cotton, let's see if it pays off"

EJ & JP looked better then Allen in their preseason games... that's facts...not being negative 

 

Care to comment on Allen’s escapability, monster arm, and above average running ability? 

 

 

[JoPar_v2]

1 minute ago, joesixpack said:

 

Right.

 

You haven't seen that from ME.

Absolutely not. Did not mean to imply that just a follow up to your post. The haters need to pump their brakes as well it was one game.

[BruceVilanch]

Just now, Teddy KGB said:

 

Care to comment on Allen’s escapability, monster arm, and above average running ability? 

 

 

Probably not, that would mean he would have to give Josh Allen credit for what he does well, I think he wants him to fail.

[Beast]

Peterman and McCarron had better stats but it was easy to see who has the most talent.

 

For the first time in 35 years, it looks like the Bills drafted themselves a gem at QB.

 

I’m not saying he will be as good as John Elway because that would be idiotic but that is exactly who Allen reminds me of.

Edited August 10, 2018 by Binghamton Beast

[Kirby Jackson]

4 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said:

You could say the same thing about the posters here that have excuses for every bad thing he does and are comparing him to current/future HOFers. In this very thread I’ve seen Rodgers’ and Newton’s names brought up. That’s silly and stupid homer BS. Sorry if some people here aren’t buying that **** yet.

I brought up Rodgers because I don’t think any other QB (with the possible exception of Stafford as someone noted) could have made that back foot throw to Khari Lee or the TD throw to McCloud. No other QBs in the world have the requisite arm strength to get the ball, from that position, past the defender. That’s why Rodgers name came up, not because Allen is going to the HOF after 1 preseason half. 

 

In terms of Cam, he really is the appropriate comparison for Allen at this point. When he entered the league he had the same strengths and weaknesses (and size) as Allen. We are always using player comps for rookies based on that. That doesn’t mean that he will be a future MVP.  It just means what he does well and what he needs to work on are similar.

Edited August 10, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[stevewin]

11 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

How about the back foot to Khari Lee right before it? That was another Rodgers special. Considering the OL he played behind and the receivers that he played with I was thrilled. He looked way better than anyone expected.

I mentioned in the game thread those are the kind of throws that a normal QB usually chucks up and if it gets completed it is because it ends up being woefully underthrown  and the receiver makes a play to come back for it - but that throw was right on the money over the defender in perfect position.  It was a crazy throw under pressure.

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

Peterman and McCarron had better stats but it was easy to see who has the most talent.

 

For the first time in 35 years, it looks like the Bills drafted themselves a gem at QB.

 

That’s how I came out of that game (and I was thrilled with the play of Peterman and McCarron). We got great play from the QBs.

 

On that note, a game ball goes to Brian Daboll for his design. It was night and day from Rico.

[Hebert19]

Dude is pretty quick too.  He had a couple nice runs.  Just dont rush him. 

[Coach Tuesday]

Folks are talking about the arm strength but that's missing the point - we knew he had that.

 

What I saw last night was a concerted effort by Daboll to make Allen throw short touch passes as well (screens, dumps, flats, etc.) because that's a key area he didn't get exposed to in college.  And he did surprisingly well at it.

 

I guarantee you the coaches are happier about that than anything else.

 

Didn't love the 4th down play but maybe - unlike Tyrod - he actually knew it was 4th down and had to take a shot.

 

Not sure about that TD - the coaches might not love that throw, against decent safeties that might be a 100-yard pick-six.  Maybe not, maybe Allen's ball has eyes on it, like Eichel's passes.  We'll soon find out.

Edited August 10, 2018 by Coach Tuesday

[Max Fischer]

7 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Serious question. Was this a perfectly timed pass threaded through the defenders to a place where only his guy could catch it, or an underthrown ball that the WR made a great play on?

 

looked to me like the WR was suppose to continue to the corner and the pass should hit him in stride.  But he Had to comeback for it.

 

great TD regardless.

 

IMO, there is no way a receiver could react in time to a errant missile.  That had to be planned route at the pylon.  

[CLTbills]

Kid has a cannon for an arm, that's for sure.

[BigBuff423]

I was texting a friend during the game last night, and it is so hard to determine what the issue was for Allen and the Offense. I've said it in other places (including this board earlier) but it looked so much like his days at Wyoming, especially 2017. He was running for his life half the time, receivers weren't open, dropping passes or not putting in full effort as others mentioned Foster, and in general it looked like a fire drill out there. 

 

I'm sure it's easier for the coaches, but it still must be quite a challenge to evaluate where Allen is in his development when it seems everything was just a cluster out on the field. IMHO, it is near impossible to truly evaluate Allen without AT LEAST giving him the #2 unit to work with. We saw AJ and he did well enough with that unit - which by the way after the initial sack they looked quite good and I don't think depth on the O-line is as much of an issue as some thought it might be - so Allen should be able to do something similar if not better. Overall, it was a typical Rookie showing: signs of promise and tremendous talent and not just the arm and signs of needing more time to develop. But, I hope they give him the 2s in the 4th game for at least a Quarter or four series to see where he is truly at......assuming he doesn't win the job out-right which at this rate with Peterman and AJ, I don't think it happens nor do I believe it should. We all knew he needed time....with Peterman / AJ holding the spot, and presuming the Offense can continue to produce, there's no pressure to get him on the field too soon and destroy the budding star in Buffalo. 

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

9 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

You streamed WGR 550 during the game?  Hmmm.  It wouldn't work for me. 

 

 

Boys it's 2018, you can find the game online streaming at a number of sites. You have internet, right?

[Dave Allen]

9 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Good view of his TD pass:

 

 

Looked like a darn good catch, too. Keeping my eye on this kid.

[DCOrange]

Was hoping to see more progress with his footwork...seems like all his bad habits are still there (which is probably to be expected this early but I was still hoping anyways). Seemed to throw a more accurate ball last night than usual despite the same footwork flaws though. He still reminds me a lot of Cam Newton, which makes me very excited.

 

Really happy with the playcalling from Daboll. Makes me wish we had him last year; I never understood playing Tyrod while transitioning away from the shotgun handoffs that Buffalo excelled so much with under Tyrod/Rex

Edited August 10, 2018 by DCOrange

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, LeGOATski said:

We can't make excuses for him either. That's the kind of stupid play that results in -7 point momentum-changer.

 

"Nothing to lose" isn't accurate. The Bills were still in the game.

 

Dude it's preseason. I don't even think of it as a game, it's a series of practice scrimmages. In a real game we wouldn't have even gone for it there. It was just an opportunity to practice a play, but the play got blown up and Allen tried to make something happen on his own. Who really cares?

[Wayne Cubed]

Out of his 19 passes, there were 2 that he shouldn't have thrown, a couple drops and 2 missed long balls. There were about 4 really, really impressive throws. The other 5 completions were short and showed touch.

 

The biggest take away, didn't see the inaccuracy that seemed to be his problem in college. All in all I came away impressed by what he did considering the talent level around him and what he was given to work with.

[BuffaloHokie13]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s how I came out of that game (and I was thrilled with the play of Peterman and McCarron). We got great play from the QBs.

 

On that note, a game ball goes to Brian Daboll for his design. It was night and day from Rico.

I am so beyond thrilled that he's working with the Jets.

[Heavy Kevi]

7 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Jesus Christ, how much stupid sports talk radio do you listen to? To make an observation like that, it's laughable. What a dumb cliche. 

 

But according to the other poster I quoted, he needs to command that huddle.

 

None sports talk. He looked like he was swimming in his head, was not caught up with what's happening, which leads to not being able to hold other players accountable.

 

What's laughable is for you to pretend you know what I'm thinking.

 

You could make a real observation, or just talk **** because you have nothing of value to say. Welcome to my ignore list, champ.

[Wayne Arnold]

11 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

For some on this board and their obvious NFL expertise over the likes of Jim Miller and Phill Simms I was waiting for a stuttering idiot that was supposed to be the next Jamarcus Russell

 

If you read the insight from the national media it is an absolute certainty that Allen's ceiling is a homeless man's Jamarcus Russell after a full lobotomy. 

[Magox]

11 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Good view of his TD pass:

 

 

 

Wow!!

 

That's ridiculous on so many levels!

9 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Serious question. Was this a perfectly timed pass threaded through the defenders to a place where only his guy could catch it, or an underthrown ball that the WR made a great play on?

 

looked to me like the WR was suppose to continue to the corner and the pass should hit him in stride.  But he Had to comeback for it.

 

great TD regardless.

Looked like to me he was slowing down into the only area he could have received the ball.  That safety help would have picked it off if it would have led him.

[FeelingOnYouboty]

I wonder how bruised Ray Ray McCloud's chest cavity is. I thought his chest caved in on that TD pass. Took him a while to get back up too. It made a sound I've never heard on a football field lol.

[Your Brown Eye]

12 hours ago, Commonsense said:

Robert Foster is bad.

 

Now we know why his highlight reel during his time at Alabama consisted of 3 plays

[John from Riverside]

Just now, Your Brown Eye said:

 

Now we know why his highlight reel during his time at Alabama consisted of 3 plays

Robert Foster was making me livid last night......

 

Your a deep threat speed guy

You have a QB throwing the ball in your area deep

Stretch out and  MAKE A DAMN PLAY

 

Josh Allen showed some good stuff last night...imagine of Foster caught those deep throws that he didnt even bother to make a play on?

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

Robert Foster was making me livid last night......

 

Your a deep threat speed guy

You have a QB throwing the ball in your area deep

Stretch out and  MAKE A DAMN PLAY

 

Josh Allen showed some good stuff last night...imagine of Foster caught those deep throws that he didnt even bother to make a play on?

Corey Coleman, you just lucked into a great opportunity. Put your past behind you and take advantage, young man.