T master Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 I know the Bills are in a good place now with the Mc Bean era firmly in place, the play off drought is over & i see good things in the future under this new regime but while reading today on Rumblings i saw a What If post about the coaching staff prior to this one that the Pegula's have now . The post was about how after Marrone stiffed the Bills & the Bills had this kick butt D in place the coach of the unit was Jim Schwartz which had head coaching experience & has now put a Super Bowl ring on his finger . I for one was hoping they would keep him for the continuity part of him staying & through reading that article was wondering what you all thought about that ? I know the past is the past & i am glad in the direction that the Bills are taking but do you think if the Pegula's would have put Schwartz in the HC ing position it would have been better or worse than Rex ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berg1029 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Jim Schwartz was (and still is) a great coordinator. That doesn't necessarily translate into success as a head coach. Supposedly, when he was HC for the Lions, he had issues with player discipline. Schwartz would have likely been a better and more successful HC then Rex (with Buffalo). With that being said, I'm happy with McD thus far and so the "what ifs?" don't really matter too much because at the moment it would appear as though we have a quality HC 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Super bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Better or worse? Not sure it could be worse especially with Rex changing a defense hence dumping players for a defense which was already working. Not sure about better though. Jim Schwartz did not do such a good job in Detroit and not sure how he would have learned his lessons and changed so quick and it is not likely IMO we would have reached playoffs in a year three Jim Schwartz reign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 But we’d have missed out on so many Rex jokes! At this point it is what it is, and I like what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Who is the GM? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Can’t wait for the season to start. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 I suspect we would have had a better playoff shot, but as with any hypothetical it comes down to what would’ve happened at QB. If given rexs year 1 roster, I think he could’ve potentially made it though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinxedBill1 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 What if the emperor had sent those star destroyers into battle instead of just using the Death Star? 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Every year the web based pundits would have been saying the Bills will go 2-14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. If the Queen had balls, she'd be King. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 I think Schwartz as HC with Whaley as GM would have had this team a QB away from being a powerhouse. That said, as much as I think Whaley was a good GM, I don't think he had the chops to get that QB. We'll never know. But I can say with certainty that the Bills would have been better with Schwartz/Whaley than with the Ryan circus the Pegulas invited into Buffalo. That's in the past, though. We have a better GM; that is certain. We'll see how the coaching staff is, as well as the QB situation. But, overall, the team is a lot less talented than it was back then. I trust the process and feel good about where we are and where we're going. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 19 minutes ago, Limeaid said: it is not likely IMO we would have reached playoffs in a year three Jim Schwartz Respectfully disagree , providing he brought a decent OC in . All that D needed was a top 16 offense and we get a WIld Card in there somewhere. i do agree he is not a head coach( which is an administrative position , often) but a heck of a DC 17 minutes ago, JinxedBill1 said: What if the emperor had sent those star destroyers into battle instead of just using the Death Star? https://goo.gl/images/RWjQDb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 (edited) What if 49 minutes ago, T master said: it would have been better or worse than Rex ? It would of, could of, should of...... ......but it's not as ridiculous as the antiquated notion of this thread. Edited June 12, 2018 by Ifartalot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Schwartz as head coach is what should have happened. Him and Whaley should have been given the following season if improvement continued re new their contracts, if it wasn't the direction you wanted start fresh. This would have potentially saved time in starting fresh but instead we got a second season of rex Schwartz in my opinion deserved a shot even for just one season However this is all in the past and we seem to have hired the right guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Boca BIlls said: Who is the GM? and who would have been his OC. Also, TT came to the BIlls primarily due to the Rex connection. We may never have had Tyrod in the building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 1 hour ago, T master said: I know the Bills are in a good place now with the Mc Bean era firmly in place, the play off drought is over & i see good things in the future under this new regime but while reading today on Rumblings i saw a What If post about the coaching staff prior to this one that the Pegula's have now . The post was about how after Marrone stiffed the Bills & the Bills had this kick butt D in place the coach of the unit was Jim Schwartz which had head coaching experience & has now put a Super Bowl ring on his finger . I for one was hoping they would keep him for the continuity part of him staying & through reading that article was wondering what you all thought about that ? I know the past is the past & i am glad in the direction that the Bills are taking but do you think if the Pegula's would have put Schwartz in the HC ing position it would have been better or worse than Rex ? Good question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Good question. So he started a thread - a good one - without pasting a !@#$ing tweet. Stop being obnoxious. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Some do not even read tweets unless quoted on wall and even in this case I need to highlight it to read it since it is in all blue. I wonder if it was pasted on Packers board would it be green? Some do not even read tweets unless quoted on wall and even in this case I need to highlight it to read it since it is in all blue. I wonder if it was pasted on Packers board would it be green? Of course posting and following tweets are for twits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 What if C-A-T really spelled dog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 (edited) What if St Doug hadn't quit.... ? Edited June 12, 2018 by Lfod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessYaDigg Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Our biggest mistake was drawing up a contract that would allow Morrone to walk away and get paid for it. So dumb on our part. Then, we would still have Schwartz as our D-Coordinator, cuz that's his place, not HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Ifs and butts and so on. It’s over. We have a great team now. Let it go. Revisionist history is fruitless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Gugny said: So he started a thread - a good one - without pasting a !@#$ing tweet. Stop being obnoxious. That guy and the tweets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Every year the web based pundits would have been saying the Bills will go 2-14. And the Kool Aid Krowd at OBD would have been predicting 19-0. The reality? We would still have been 7-9, 8-8, or 9-7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 I'm thankful for the Ryans for ushering in the McBeane era. I think Gym Shorts is a great DC. But we have seen plenty of coordinators (OC and DC) that excel in that role but not HC. (Norv Turner, Wade Phillips, Gregg Williams etc) McDermott has the temperment, mentality and brains to be a very good HC. He did not lose the team after the horrible 2-3 game stretch last year. Guys stayed motivated, didn't pipe out on social media and the team circled the wagons. Good signs from a rookie HC keeping control and focus on the team. Not sure Jim S could have done that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 3 hours ago, T master said: I know the Bills are in a good place now with the Mc Bean era firmly in place, the play off drought is over & i see good things in the future under this new regime but while reading today on Rumblings i saw a What If post about the coaching staff prior to this one that the Pegula's have now . The post was about how after Marrone stiffed the Bills & the Bills had this kick butt D in place the coach of the unit was Jim Schwartz which had head coaching experience & has now put a Super Bowl ring on his finger . I for one was hoping they would keep him for the continuity part of him staying & through reading that article was wondering what you all thought about that ? I know the past is the past & i am glad in the direction that the Bills are taking but do you think if the Pegula's would have put Schwartz in the HC ing position it would have been better or worse than Rex ? And if your mother had balls she'd be your uncle. Who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 the D would be very similar to now, who knows what the O would be like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowgirlsFan Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 The real question is where would this team be had McDermott been hired rather than Ryan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habes1280 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 I was all-in for Hue Jackson to be our head coach, with Schwartz remaining in place as the DC. Shows what I know. I was also all-in on Rosen over Allen, so let's hope the trend continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 5 hours ago, T master said: I know the Bills are in a good place now with the Mc Bean era firmly in place, the play off drought is over & i see good things in the future under this new regime but while reading today on Rumblings i saw a What If post about the coaching staff prior to this one that the Pegula's have now . The post was about how after Marrone stiffed the Bills & the Bills had this kick butt D in place the coach of the unit was Jim Schwartz which had head coaching experience & has now put a Super Bowl ring on his finger . I for one was hoping they would keep him for the continuity part of him staying & through reading that article was wondering what you all thought about that ? I know the past is the past & i am glad in the direction that the Bills are taking but do you think if the Pegula's would have put Schwartz in the HC ing position it would have been better or worse than Rex ? I love Schwartz as a DC but think he won't be a great HC. I think he'd have been better than Rex, particularly on defense, but not actually very good. And I have hopes that maybe the current group really will be very good down the road. So I think we're better off having suffered through the Rex era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 7 hours ago, T master said: I know the Bills are in a good place now with the Mc Bean era firmly in place, the play off drought is over & i see good things in the future under this new regime but while reading today on Rumblings i saw a What If post about the coaching staff prior to this one that the Pegula's have now . The post was about how after Marrone stiffed the Bills & the Bills had this kick butt D in place the coach of the unit was Jim Schwartz which had head coaching experience & has now put a Super Bowl ring on his finger . I for one was hoping they would keep him for the continuity part of him staying & through reading that article was wondering what you all thought about that ? I know the past is the past & i am glad in the direction that the Bills are taking but do you think if the Pegula's would have put Schwartz in the HC ing position it would have been better or worse than Rex ? What if they extended Marrone? Would have saved $26m well $21m or so anyway Thankfully the Wrex era ended quickly and the Pegs fixed the mess they made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 If Schwartz was HC #1 - you start with and keep that Top 5 Defense intact #2 - you don't waste draft picks and salary cap money converting to a 3-4 #3 - we would have been able to concentrate on improving the Offense #4 - for that team, hiring rex was a DISASTER which I put the blame on Russ Brandon who prioritized selling tickets and sponsorships (which rex provided) #5 - not convinced whaley would have gotten a franchise QB CONCLUSION: Bills would have enjoyed enough success that BOTH Schwartz and Whaley would still be here today. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Lfod said: What if St Doug hadn't quit.... ? The entire SU football department would have eventually moved to OBD. Edited June 12, 2018 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 We'd have been better in 2015 and 2016.... I think we'd probably have made the dance in 2015 if we had been able to find someone to just be competent (we wouldn't have even needed Tyrod... less than Tyrod would have done) at QB. But I don't think it was a championship window and we might have gone something like 10-6, 8-8 and then fallen off a bit in 2017 when the roster started to churn (Mario gone, Kyle ageing, who knows with Dareus). I feel like this current regime gives us a chance to be set up for the long term.... ultimately it will come down to whether their gamble on Josh Allen works out or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 8 hours ago, T master said: I know the Bills are in a good place now with the Mc Bean era firmly in place, the play off drought is over & i see good things in the future under this new regime but while reading today on Rumblings i saw a What If post about the coaching staff prior to this one that the Pegula's have now . The post was about how after Marrone stiffed the Bills & the Bills had this kick butt D in place the coach of the unit was Jim Schwartz which had head coaching experience & has now put a Super Bowl ring on his finger . I for one was hoping they would keep him for the continuity part of him staying & through reading that article was wondering what you all thought about that ? I know the past is the past & i am glad in the direction that the Bills are taking but do you think if the Pegula's would have put Schwartz in the HC ing position it would have been better or worse than Rex ? They should have hired Schwartz, but suffering through Wrecks was worth it because McDermott is a special coach who is doing things the right way with the right system and the players love him. I don think this would have happened under Schwartz. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 This is like asking if we had cheated like the patriots did, would we have won all 4 Super Bowls?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 He is 29-52 as a HC. Maybe that defense could have carried him for a season before the inevitable drop. He is a coordinator not a HC. The guy asked his players to carry him off the field when the Bills beat the Lions, he is a goofball not a leader of men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 It's hard to say, but I believe Schwartz would have been more successful than Rex. The defenses would have been sick. It would be similar to his run in Detroit. With Schwartz as coach it's hard to say whether Tyrod would have ever been here though. Tyrod was a Rex guy. Incognito may have never been here either because Rex went after him. Schwartz would have surely been a better hire than Rex, but Whaley still would have been his GM. No telling where we would be right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Would Mario Williams play dropped off so quickly? Would Orton would have still retired? Would be have signed Tyrod? Would we have traded for McCoy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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