smuvtalker Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I think there are several factors here once you get passed Darnold and Rosen as I strongly believe 3 QB's will be drafted in the top 10. Baker still elicits concerns over off field or attitude issues (although personally I love the killer mentality on the field and I am not personally worried about his off field stuff). Baker still elicits concerns over his height, although it doesn't bother me too much. He is 2 inches taller than Russell Wilson, an inch taller than Brees and only 1 inch shorter than Aaron Rodgers. All 3 are among NFL Elite, and he is bigger than 2 of em and slightly shorter than 1. There are QB's who can move up the draft board EASILY with strong combines and workouts. The two that come to mind are Allen and Jackson. In fact, if Jackson has a strong off season, he very well could go top 10 himself, especially after Watson had such a strong showing early which I think helps Jacksons cause a lot...assuming he throws well at the combine and in workouts. Mason could also make a case, but he is an extreme long shot to leap frog into the 3rd QB taken IMO. So, I think if we all want Baker, the guys we NEED to cheer for are Allen and Jackson to show big before the draft. If they do, We might get Baker with our pick at 21, although I am HIGHLY skeptical he falls that far. So I am thinking its quite plausible to grab him in the 12-15 range in a trade up unless the other 2 fail to impress as much as Baker this offseason. The one wild card though is after Bakers year and playoff game, its also not out of the question for him to leap frog above the 3rd QB spot too. Although I think teams are too in love with size and raw potential of Darnold and Rosen for that to happen, but its still a possibility. Long time before the draft, and the QB rankings will be an interesting plot to watch. Excellent point regarding Allen and Jackson. You know every year some team panics and takes a QB earlier then they should, and then it starts a rash of QBs getting picked. My biggest fear is that Darnold and Rosen go 1 and 2, and then it opens the floodgates and Mayfield goes top 5, which I fear would be too rich a spot for the Bills to move up, considering how many other holes we have to fill. I'll be rooting for Allen and Jackson to absolutely light it up at the combine and/or their pro-day workouts. Let's get Mayfield!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 (edited) I don't think you have to worry about Mayfield going very high. He is not a first round talent. Allen will likely go to the Jets, if not Denver. I just don't see these QBs getting past all those QB needy teams. Rudolph will shoot up I bet, and end up in the first round. Jackson has serious physical talent, but mentally he isn't there. Can he get there is the question??? Historically, that's going against the odds Darnold is over rated and Rosen the rumor is he doesn't love Football. I'm hoping those two guys go early and we can trade up for someone else. Edited January 7, 2018 by peterpan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will-GM-for-food Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Browns (1), Giants (2), Broncos (5) , Jets (6), Redskins (13) , Cardinals (15) should, and mostly will, be looking at QB. I would consider moving up for the Brown's 2nd pick at #4. If they take a QB with #1 it might lower the cost just enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, peterpan said: I don't think you have to worry about Mayfield going very high. He is not a first round talent. Allen will likely go to the Jets, if not Denver. I just don't see these QBs getting past all those QB needy teams. Rudolph will shoot up I bet, and end up in the first round. Jackson has serious physical talent, but mentally he isn't there. Can he get there is the question??? Historically, that's going against the odds Darnold is over rated and Rosen the rumor is he doesn't love Football. I'm hoping those two guys go early and we can trade up for someone else. I actually think that Denver is going to go the veteran route. I think they will be the team that gets Kirk Cousins/Alex Smith imo. Elway knows the value of the QB position and I think he knows his team is a QB away from another deep playoff run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 21 Vita Vea 22 Mason Rudolph 2a Orlando Brown OT 2b Ronald Jones II RB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, bills6969 said: #21 Ben Dover #22 Jack Mehoff What about Cranges McBasketball? He’s had some flashes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Can't say yet for sure until the pro days are over, but I say one defensive player (Smith) and a QB (Rudolph or Mayfield) Mayfield *might* be available, but Mayfield is very unlikely to be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Just now, MiltonWaddams said: 21 Vita Vea 22 Mason Rudolph 2a Orlando Brown OT 2b Ronald Jones II RB Haven’t seen Vita play but I’ve heard his name mentioned...is the guy a pass rushing DT or run stopper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullim4 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 (edited) Assuming they have a legitimate shot at Cousins, they will draft DL help to replace Kyle and Dareus. I'd like to see them go LB with the second pick but I suspect they will spend it on offense, either a WR or a lineman. Otherwise, I think they pick "their guy" and trade up. I can't see them going into next season with a journeyman quarterback and a middle-round rookie QB. Edited January 7, 2018 by sullim4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Haven’t seen Vita play but I’ve heard his name mentioned...is the guy a pass rushing DT or run stopper? Honest assessment-both. He has a sizeable number of TFL's and Sacks, but is a beast against the run. It was fun to watch his three year improvement. Might be biased, but I'd love to continue to cheer for him in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will-GM-for-food Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Ran a Fanspeak mock: 21) Mike McGlinchey OT - not sure if he would ever fall this far but great value 22) Josh Allen QB 2a) Courtland Sutton WR 2b) Billy Price OG 3) Dre'Mont Jones DL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, NewDayBills said: I'd take Mason Rudolph with the 1st pick, with the other 1st I'd trade down and pick up an extra 2nd and 3rd, then I'd send Kansas City one of our 2nds for Alex Smith that's contingent on a contract extension being signed, something like 4 years 72 million for Smith, sit Rudolph on the bench until Smith retires. 1.) Mason Rudolph 1.) Trade 2.) To KC for Alex Smith 2.) Extra pick 2.) Extra pick 3.) Extra pick 3.) Extra pick I don’t know about Rudolph but I would be very happy with this concept (i..e. A QB of the future), A Qb that can run the current system for a year or two and then plug other gaps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, 1billsfan said: I think Lamar Jackson will be their guy. They come from Carolina and they might be thinking they can mold him into a Qb like Newton. I think Mayfields height and personality will turn them off from perusing him. Cam sux , they learned their lesson, Jackson not happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Do not trade the 21 and 22 and other picks to get up high I. The draft. Take what’s their at 21and 22or drop down further picking up more picks to fill roster with elite talent. If a QB is there that you like at 18or so maybe move up to get him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Lots of people still want to build a team and basically ignore QB, that has worked so well in the past... Taking the best QB at your available spot generally = JP Losman 4th best QB talent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Process said: DL and LB All the QBs will be long gone by the time we pick, and we have way too many holes to move up to early first round. Trade for Smith and get a QB in 2019 I think if we get Smith we’ll just be in this position in 2019. If we bring Smith in he’ll instantly make us a better team. McDermott took one of the worst drought rosters to the playoffs. If we bring Smith in then I don’t think we’ll trade up for a QB and we’ll load up in the draft. I think next year if the Bills invest wisely in free agency and draft well that this can be a 10 win team and playoff team again. This will just put the team in the same position in 2019. All I know is Tyrod can’t be back and they’ll need to make at least one bold move this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, mellaman101 said: Erik Flowers John McCargo If troupe is still there you gotta pull the trigger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneykm Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 I've come around to figuring out a way to draft Baker Mayfield. I hear the Manziel comparisons but I believe they are way, way off. This guy has that "it" factor that will win a franchise a lot of games down the road. We need that swagger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 2 hours ago, TonyBeets said: Give it a guess!!! I'm guessing we go defense with both picks. It's amazing the lack of defensive talent we have. It's amazing that Frazier and MCDermott got them playing as good as they did. QB Mason Rudolph, QB Oklahoma State and LB Cameron Smith, LB USC. 8 minutes ago, rodneykm said: I've come around to figuring out a way to draft Baker Mayfield. I hear the Manziel comparisons but I believe they are way, way off. This guy has that "it" factor that will win a franchise a lot of games down the road. We need that swagger. If only was in a body 3 inches taller. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 According to the NFL Draft Trade Chart (take that with a grain of salt of course) https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp Packaging both firsts and both seconds (remember we also hold the Rams second from the Sammy Trade) would be enough ammo to move into the bottom half of the top 10. Adding next years first might crack the top 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 minute ago, /dev/null said: According to the NFL Draft Trade Chart (take that with a grain of salt of course) https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp Packaging both firsts and both seconds (remember we also hold the Rams second from the Sammy Trade) would be enough ammo to move into the bottom half of the top 10. Adding next years first might crack the top 5 That's too much to give up. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 2 hours ago, TFBillsfan said: Either move up to get your QB or you hold tight and get two studs with those picks. I don't want to give up the house to move up as 4 picks in the first two rounds will instantly improve this team if you hit on your picks!!! More likely one stud and one bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 1 R. smith 1b Hurst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 I can tell the people that don't watch college FB. Mason Rudolph is not an NFL QB. He will be added to the long list of great college system QBs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Sorry guys and gals, I'm not sold on Rosen. Darnold or Mayfield will work though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafter Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 43 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Cam sux , they learned their lesson, Jackson not happening Not a Cam fan, but he doesn't suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, rafter said: Not a Cam fan, but he doesn't suck. Did you just see him puss out and crumble walking off the field? Guy is not a leader nor consistent thrower, wouldn't want him here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 For me I'd take 21 Quenton Nelson Guard ND. 22 Vita Vae or Christian Wilkins if they are there 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 If i'm wrong you can tell me, but wouldn't Jackson be about 10 million cheaper than TT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Did you just see him puss out and crumble walking off the field? Guy is not a leader nor consistent thrower, wouldn't want him here. Bash him for getting a concussion ? Weak take. Puss out ? You would still be on the ground if you took that hit. Cam is awesome. Nice long toss to Mcccaffery. Baker, Rosen, or Darnold please. Zero interest in Allen or Jackson. Edited January 8, 2018 by Teddy KGB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 To me this sets up Buffalo to trade back in 1st round IF they stay put with both picks, meaning they don’t trade up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Bash him for getting a concussion ? Weak take. Cam is awesome. Nice long toss to Mcccaffery. More like nice long run by McCaffrey Edited January 8, 2018 by Buffalo Barbarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Yes, Cam with the D giving up 31 and they are still in the game....that would happen with TT.....never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Saints offense is just good folks. Brees has so many toys it's ridiculous. Their OL holds up a majority of the time. If the Panthers can't get to you then most teams are not going to get to you. Doesn't hurt that Peyton calls great games most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 3 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said: QB watch begins. 21 Mayfield/Rudolph 22 Vita Vea 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turftoe Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 43 minutes ago, /dev/null said: According to the NFL Draft Trade Chart (take that with a grain of salt of course) https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp Packaging both firsts and both seconds (remember we also hold the Rams second from the Sammy Trade) would be enough ammo to move into the bottom half of the top 10. Adding next years first might crack the top 5 I'm not sure about your math but it looks like our 2 firsts are about equal to pick #7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Will-GM-for-food said: Ran a Fanspeak mock: 21) Mike McGlinchey OT - not sure if he would ever fall this far but great value 22) Josh Allen QB 2a) Courtland Sutton WR 2b) Billy Price OG 3) Dre'Mont Jones DL Lol all 1st round picks dude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayjent Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Don’t trade up for any of these bozos at QB. Rosen and Darnold are mediocre at best NFL QBs. Mayfield is actually better, but not much and I have doubts about his decision-making on throws. These guys will all be gone early and good riddance on Darnold and Rosen - that can be some other fanbase false hope. I do think Mayfield is the best of this class, but will be 3rd off board. The next best option is Lamar Jackson in the draft, and I think the Bills can get him without moving up, but Jackson and Allen will both go in 1st. Question to me is whether it is worth drafting Jackson there - I’d say yes, but it depends on if Dennison remains and whether really good OLine or DLine players are available. This team needs an infusion of talent, an QB isn’t going to solve the problems this team has and is going to have as guys like Williams, Incognito, MCoy and LorAx decline/retire. This draft is a time to restock the cupboard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Best QB on the board and best player of the DEs and CBs on the board. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Best potential trade targets would be Indy #3 or Clev #4... Trade those two 1sts and Cordy to Indy if possible... Perhaps sign Keenum in FA... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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