Billsfan1972 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 And yes the 18 year curse was lifted. The Bills won the tie-breakers and we're in the playoffs with the best possible first round opponent (something I predicted btw). The point is (and I keep repeating) is that this is pretty much the same records as 2014-2016, so quit thinking this coaching staff & HO turned water into wine. What it did do was create such low expectations that some consider it a miracle. What was miraculous was winning 6 games where the opposition had the ball at the end of the game with a chance to win & the Bills winning each and every time. I am as excited as anyone that they are in the playoffs and planning my Sunday, but I am not getting ahead of myself and anointing this coaching staff as an all time great. However I am a fan and don't get stuck on the minutiae wrt to drafts, schemes and philosophy. It is quite simple for us fans. If a team is 8-8 for 3 seasons in a row, you look at it and say 2 more wins and you're in the playoffs. I look at the skill positions and how they are utilized (and yes was pissed at Watkins, the trade and not targeting him enough). I thought better coaching and tweaks to properly utilize Taylor and we'd see a huge improvement. On the defensive side, it did not take much to see that they were undisciplined, took way too many penalties, and disorganized under Rex, which could be fixed easily to the point they would be competent. So as said I will be here and cheering Sunday & hopefully beyond & will leave shortly thereafter while you argue about the draft, personnel moves & free agency. I will return when Sammy signs and when a decision is made on Tyrod. Again would we fans be so excited if they went 8-8, or 8-7-1 (as McDermott tried vs. Indy) and no playoffs. It is the Playoffs that has created this euphoria, not a record that matches those the prior 3 years...... Flame away!!!!! 2 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Booooooo 2 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Is this an order, or is it optional? If it's optional, I opt out. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Yeah McD is garbage. Took this team loaded with all pro talent and they only got 9 wins. An embarrasment to the city of Buffalo. That **** might fly in Cleveland, but here in Buffalo, a paltry 9 win season is just unacceptable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 8 14 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Thanks for sharing that with us. No one is anointing this coaching staff as "alltime great" & everybody here I am pretty sure knows this teams shortcomings. Noone is predicting them to go to the super bowl. Could we just have a week to enjoy ourselves & enjoy wildcard weekend, with the Bills in it without a pompous know it all like yourself telling us Bills nation should not get excited. It must be miserable looking at the glass half empty all the time. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 You must be the fun guy to talk to at parties 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 The team is in the playoffs after some bold FO, coaching and ownership moves: FO: Moved players out who did not fit scheme and team culture in return for draft picks and other players who have contributed. Coaching: The most impressive moves to me are taking the back end of a defense that included a bunch of previous no names and me them into the strength of the D (if not the team) FO: moved on from Rex and Whaley - not that long ago this franchise was considered a dumpster fire - not to mention - on a personal level was it not fun watching Kim Pegula being a fan during the Miami game? It’s nice to have ownership that truly cares about the franchise, the fans and the region - enough said 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Someone's always got to poop in the ice cream. Don't like it? I hear Mexico is the s@#% so go there. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 McLegend came down from the clouds and caused it to rain after 17 years of no rain. I was thirsty and now I drink. I swim. I bathe in it. 3 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said: You must be the fun guy to talk to at parties I picture him as someone who is always sarcastically apologizing for "being too real" 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Johnson Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Yes, 9-7 is not an earth-shattering won-loss record. However, this is a turning point for the city and the general perception of the franchise as a cursed afterthought. The truth is the Bills haven't actually been bad since Gailey's last year. They were bad for about twelve years and they have actually been right in the middle of the league for the last five years. They are 33-31 since 2014, which again, is not earth shattering but it is also not bad, and not in keeping with the national perspective on the team. That record is better than (for example) Ravens Chargers Titans Raiders Dolphins as well as the franchises that have been truly bad like the Jets, Browns, Jaguars. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) You mention how the other teams had a chance to win in 6 games with the ball at the end. The defense stepped up and made stops, he's a defensive coach haha. Props to him. Those games wouldn't have been so close if we had a QB that was more comfortable with throwing the ball into tight coverage down the field. They seem to know what talent fits what they want to do. Look at how productive Poyer, White, Milano, Dawkins, Hyde, Johnson at times, Gaines, and Benjamin when Tyrod actually threw it to him was. I'm gonna trust them. Edited January 2, 2018 by Buffalo30 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 If it was so easy, why didn’t it happen in the past 17 years? If it’s luck this year that 9-7 made it, were we always just really that unlucky? Is luck the deciding factor? Yes, we were 9-7, but we were a better 9-7 than two other teams. We won games we normally lost. I’m sorry, but I’m not buying what you’re selling. This was a special season and we saw glimpses of it at times. We aren’t great...yet. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 So 9 wins is enough already? Enough's enough? WTF? The most success this team's had in 17 years and you're all poopie diapers about it. What a fan! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 This staff and their program has earned the full 5 years to right this ship. The Bills are not full of talent. They got rid of a good amount of it, actually. They were tested and passed. McDermott has this team rumbling into the playoffs with a winner's mentality. The fans need to adopt that mentality, as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 This post is missing a huge factor and that’s the fact that this team won the games down the stretch that it needed to in order to get in. Ryan’s teams IMPLODED. 5-5 and it looked like it was all headed south. Mcdermott rallied the Troops and they then went INTO arrowhead for a win, conquered the snow game at long odds and then swept the fins. Ryans teams weren’t made up of that sort of “MAN STUFF” 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Christ Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Here we go.. Those fake closet bill fans who come out and complain.....good job man good job 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 you suck haha 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 No one is arguing that this isn't a severely flawed roster and a lot of work to be done. That said: They just ended a 18 years playoff drought that hung on everyone fans head like a noose, something that only haters would use to reaffirm our irrelevance during this period, something media nationally loved to bring up as a passing insult, something like people like me who have one memory of watching a Bills playoff game with my dad had to wonder if it really would and countless others did the same with family, and something that had caused years of frustration and mistakes by the team itself. This roster had less talent compared to any team the last 5 years and yes the coaching staff deserves credit for that. No one is saying McD and Beane are the all time greatest, they do deserve credit for a good year one given everything that happened. Don't let people being excited who may be in euphoria for the reasons I stated hit nerves because you have a healthy grounded POV on the team and coach. This is great and let it be, if others may be building a statue that is OK to that is what they needed. GO BIlls! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 not gonna flame away but you should go away. This is playoff week.......waited a long time for this 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 And I am a fan....... But I also look at this team without rose-coloured glasses...... I've said it if not a FAN, this team is hard to watch. They are hanging on for dear life almost every win and come the second half they lose almost everytime on halftime adjustments. They should have kicked Miami's butts twice, thoroughly outplayed KC too, yet hung on for dear life. Jauron ball kills me and the inability to throw for 300 (though they seem up for the challenge the first half at times). So you think this team is better the the prior 3 years? I will say they are more disciplined and for a change getting some breaks. Y^es I'm excited, but TBD and the pom pom waving does make me smirk. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) You point out that the record is essentially the same as it has been the last few years, which is correct. You also point out that the team unloaded a lot of the talent (and salary), which is correct. But you seem to fail to address the fact that achieving the same record with less talent is impressive. I'm not convinced that McD and Beane will succeed in turning us into a true contender, but I am encouraged by this year's results. The luck of getting into the playoffs is just an added bonus, that will only further help the transition (hopefully) into a contender as it ends the negativity of the last two decades and allows everybody to focus on the future. Edited January 2, 2018 by Buddy Hix 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 I agree that this team isn't any better than the last 9-7 Bills team, but playoffs are playoffs and it's awesome to have the 'streak' ended. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 You deserve every bit of abuse you take. You got caught, dong out, pissing in the punchbowl. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said: And I am a fan....... But I also look at this team without rose-coloured glasses...... I've said it if not a FAN, this team is hard to watch. They are hanging on for dear life almost every win and come the second half they lose almost everytime on halftime adjustments. They should have kicked Miami's butts twice, thoroughly outplayed KC too, yet hung on for dear life. Jauron ball kills me and the inability to throw for 300 (though they seem up for the challenge the first half at times). So you think this team is better the the prior 3 years? I will say they are more disciplined and for a change getting some breaks. Y^es I'm excited, but TBD and the pom pom waving does make me smirk. You're more of a Sammy Watkins fan than a Bills fan. Your posts prove it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTheTrust Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 This post should be called "How to rain on a parade for no good reason". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: You deserve every bit of abuse you take. You got caught, dong out, pissing in the punchbowl. As usual, he will play the victim and then find another reason to talk about Sammy Watkins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Dorkington said: I agree that this team isn't any better than the last 9-7 Bills team, but playoffs are playoffs and it's awesome to have the 'streak' ended. And I agree 100%....... I've been glued to the TV (or at the games) since 1972. Doubt I've missed more then a dozen (travel, trips) over that time, so yes I am a diehard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 I was expecting 5 wins and ended up getting a pretty damned entertaining season. Are you not entertained? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Of course there has to be at least one poster who pisses in everyone's wheat flakes... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: And I am a fan....... But I also look at this team without rose-coloured glasses...... I've said it if not a FAN, this team is hard to watch. They are hanging on for dear life almost every win and come the second half they lose almost everytime on halftime adjustments. They should have kicked Miami's butts twice, thoroughly outplayed KC too, yet hung on for dear life. Jauron ball kills me and the inability to throw for 300 (though they seem up for the challenge the first half at times). So you think this team is better the the prior 3 years? I will say they are more disciplined and for a change getting some breaks. Y^es I'm excited, but TBD and the pom pom waving does make me smirk. I bet if you win the lottery you will immediately complain about the money you lose in taxes...ARRRGH i won 340 million dollars and I lost 100 million in taxes, that isn't FUN Edited January 2, 2018 by Like A Mofo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davspo Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 I am as critical as anyone on these boards. With that being said, a first year head coach took a team that I thought would have no more than 3 wins to the playoffs breaking a 17 year streak. In so doing, he made bold front office moves that will pay dividends for years. Getting rid of Darius with that huge contract number was a great move. Moving Sammy (500 or so receiving yards this year even though he was health and had a real qb) was a great move. EJ Gains is proving to be a step above Darby. Gathering draft picks. His game day decisions could be questioned but at the end of the day, in one year he has been better than any other coach over the last two decades. Yes I have been critical, but no I am not dumb. This guy is good, and the future looks bright. Just think- the rookies (who are preforming well) will now feel the playoffs are a must, not merely a goal. The vets know it is now possible. He has changed the culture. He is a great coach, anybody who says otherwise is not being objective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said: You point out that the record is essentially the same as it has been the last few years, which is correct. You also point out that the team unloaded a lot of the talent (and salary), which is correct. But you seem to fail to address the fact that achieving the same record with less talent is impressive. I'm not convinced that McD and Beane will succeed in turning us into a true contender, but I am encouraged by this year's results. The luck of getting into the playoffs is just an added bonus, that will only further help the transition (hopefully) into a contender as it ends the negativity of the last two decades and allows everybody to focus on the future. That's exactly what impresses me. We got rid of some of our biggest stars (Sammy, Darby, MD), signed some no-names, and got into the playoffs. I'm not sure what kind of roster Beane will build over the years. But today's roster is weak. Yet we're in the playoffs. McD must be doing something right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 There is 2 really encouraging things with the current team. 1) they traded away alot of good talent and completely over achieved. I believe alot of this has to do with coaching 2) after all the hot starts we've seen over the years (2008/2011/2016) this team was able to battle through all of it and finish 9-7. They never threw in the towel regardless of who was playing qb, or reciever etc. Are the bills really good? No. But now we go into 2018 with alot of draft picks and ready to build a team that can potentially play for the superbowl year after year. We finally have a front office that learns from mistakes, and is creating a team for the long term. You could've said this back in the Gailey/nix era, but bills fans should be able to see the difference between the front offices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Steptide said: There is 2 really encouraging things with the current team. 1) they traded away alot of good talent and completely over achieved. I believe alot of this has to do with coaching 2) after all the hot starts we've seen over the years (2008/2011/2016) this team was able to battle through all of it and finish 9-7. They never threw in the towel regardless of who was playing qb, or reciever etc. Are the bills really good? No. But now we go into 2018 with alot of draft picks and ready to build a team that can potentially play for the superbowl year after year. We finally have a front office that learns from mistakes, and is creating a team for the long term. You could've said this back in the Gailey/nix era, but bills fans should be able to see the difference between the front offices. We are a team in the playoffs with 5 picks in the first 3 rounds coming up. That's exciting. Edited January 2, 2018 by Royale with Cheese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 jesus. the op needs meds. i haven't seen someone so upset that the team they supposedly love made the playoffs. all of this over the loss of sammy. the same sammy who hasn't done much of anything this year...again. the same sammy the op called elite. the same sammy that the op was insistent that the rams coach was telling his qb not to throw too. i just don't get it. 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: We are a team in the playoffs with 5 picks in the first 3 rounds coming up. That's exciting. we should all be thrilled with where this team is right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 I wonder if any Giants fan thought this when they won the Super Bowl after posting a 8-8 record? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) Dude - they squeaked into the playoffs (getting the monkey off their backs) AND they stockpiled picks - how is this not incredible progress for the franchise?? Team McBeane knows they aren't all there yet. McD practically said as much. BUT cracking the playoff wall is just plain good for the psyche of the franchise and the fans - although apparently some fans are just too scarred to realize it... 6 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: I wonder if any Giants fan thought this when they won the Super Bowl after posting a 8-8 record? Hehe - it's true - we have no idea if Tyrod has secretly been an Eli-style playoff-clutch QB all this time!! (... and no, I don't expect that ) Edited January 2, 2018 by BobChalmers added thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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