Marshall Faulk, 2 others suspended from NFL Network.

[jaybee]

Message relay:  More sex allegations.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/sexual-misconduct/nfl-network-suspends-hall-famer-marshall-faulk-two-others-over-n828621

[Steptide]

It's going to get to a point where if you look at an attractive woman it's gonna be sexual harassment 

[BuffaloBill]

I wonder how long it is before the parade of high profile guys accused of sexual harassment finally grinds to a halt.  It seems like now there are two or three every week.

Just now, Steptide said:

It's going to get to a point where if you look at an attractive woman it's gonna be sexual harassment 

 

 

You are seriously off here if the allegations against the men are proven true.

[Captain_Quint]

Im about to start harrassing women due to all of this. I feel like Ive missed the boat all these years, wasting time with prostitutes and druggies. 

[CommonCents]

1 of 50 accused by the same woman? I'm not making an excuse for any of these guys, from what I have seen they are mostly jack asses...but 50??? You got harassed by 50 different men at the same job. 50. 

 

All the sudden it bothers you? It didn't bother you enough say after the 1st one to put an end to it? Or say maybe after the 25th? 50 guys later you realized you needed to speak up! 

 

Man. 

[White Linen]

1 minute ago, Commonsense said:

1 of 50 accused by the same woman? I'm not making an excuse for any of these guys, from what I have seen they are mostly jack asses...but 50??? You got harassed by 50 different men at the same job. 50. 

 

All the sudden it bothers you? It didn't bother you enough say after the 1st one to put an end to it? Or say maybe after the 25th? 50 guys later you realized you needed to speak up! 

 

Man. 

 

How did they get her cell number to send her videos and texts?  I'm sure these guys are scum but there's a lot of dangerous women out there too.

[Mr. WEO]

"The original suit alleges that Cantor was fired in October 2016 after having falsely been accused of stealing clothes from a network employee.

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The suit seeks unspecified damages for wrongful termination, sexual harassment, retaliation, defamation and age discrimination, alleging that the person who was hired to replace Cantor is 21 years younger than she."

 

This plaintiff has a lot of beefs.  My guess is that all those guys will be able to produce phone records that might show voluntary participation by the plaintiff in  such conversations.

[Kmart128]

Wow this is getting out of hand. Watching the news last night and someone claimed sexual harrassment for a unwanted hug... Like really? What the hell is wrong with women in today's world? I don't condone men sexual harrassment at all but seems to me that women are just throwing out allegations to anyone somewhat famous. This is like the 8th time in past 2 weeks.

[T master]

9 minutes ago, Kmart128 said:

Wow this is getting out of hand. Watching the news last night and someone claimed sexual harrassment for a unwanted hug... Like really? What the hell is wrong with women in today's world? I don't condone men sexual harrassment at all but seems to me that women are just throwing out allegations to anyone somewhat famous. This is like the 8th time in past 2 weeks.

 

Its the latest fad !! 

[Mickey]

14 minutes ago, Steptide said:

It's going to get to a point where if you look at an attractive woman it's gonna be sexual harassment 

 

Really? In your mind "looking at an attractive woman" is the same as "sending a video of yourself masturbating to a co-worker"?? Can you really not see why one of those is wrong and the other is not? Let's try another one: Which one of these is wrong: A) looking at an attractive woman, or B) sending sex toys to a female co-worker?

[T-Bomb]

32 minutes ago, Steptide said:

It's going to get to a point where if you look at an attractive woman it's gonna be sexual harassment 

 

That's what 3rd wave feminists want, and there are plenty of feminist men who agree.

2 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

What I don't like is that actions are being taken against men without any proof. What happened to due process? Scary stuff. Any women that doesn't like you can stick it to you.

 

Again, 3rd wave feminism...

[Steptide]

44 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

I wonder how long it is before the parade of high profile guys accused of sexual harassment finally grinds to a halt.  It seems like now there are two or three every week.

 

 

You are seriously off here if the allegations against the men are proven true.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the accusations arnt true. It was more that everyday we hear of some new allegation. And while men should not be able to do these things, it will get to a point where if a man courts a woman, even in a respectful way, it'll turn into a harassment case because she felt uncomfortable. 

[Beast]

It’s going to get to the point where nobody is going to like anyone. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

30 minutes ago, Steptide said:

It's going to get to a point where if you look at an attractive woman it's gonna be sexual harassment 

 

I was browsing a blog on hiking the AT.  Post about "how to avoid being Creepy Guy" by a female AT hiker.  Had advice like "say Hi, make a typical weather/rocks/packweight comment, but if it isn't reciprocated Move On Along"  "Don't ask questions about where she's planning to camp that night" "Don't offer her food then expect to get laid for it" "don't touch her or her gear without asking (outside of emergency), even if you're trying to help her along the trail" - all seemed pretty straightforward "well DUH" to me.

Surprising number of responses were along your vein - "OMG OMG Shock Panic Can't look at a woman hiker now without sexual harassment"

I have a teen daughter who gets f**king catcalls from doofuses in nearby apartment buildings when she's taking the dog for a run in a baggy cotton tshirt and running shorts over tights.  This is in a super-safe conservative midwestern neighborhood.  I would love to beat said doofuses into pulp for making my girl uncomfortable but there's plenty more where they came from.  Doofus-beating could be a full-time job and after I'm jailed, they'll just repopulate.

 

So the above gets no sympathy from me.   Looking is not the d*mn problem here.

If women complain of being groped without their consent and having a guy pull out his junk and demand sex of some form - don't go all defensive and chirp about how "what's next, looking at an attractive woman is gonna be sexual harassment".  We're only just getting to the point where actually touching without consent and demanding sex from subordinates on the job is sexual harassment, y'know?

 

It's really just not that hard.
 

 

 

[hemma]

It has been a pain in the ass to be a small employer for a while now, but I bet it's about to get worse.

Employers will begin seeing physically attractiveness as a negative that will need to be covered by the ADA.

 

I know I'd be extra careful.

 

Meanwhile, let's jam everyone into the same bathroom.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

this sexual allegations stuff is way out of hand and frankly ridiculous. don't get me wrong, have some respect for the ladies but it's looking more like gold diggers coming out of the woodwork.

[Steptide]

I dunno, for me I just think of it this way, you had a sexual revolution in the 60s and 70s, then released porn movies into theaters in the 80s, and now everything in media and on TV is overly sexualized. Meanwhile theirs probably 40 different websites you can stream free porn on, but the public is shocked and outraged when a sexual allegation happens. Again, Im not justifying it, but what does the public expect. It is a result of culture that we've created. On top of that, our president owns or owned the miss America pageant and is married to a very attractive woman who's posed nude for magazines. 

Edited December 12, 2017 by Steptide

[GunnerBill]

11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I was browsing a blog on hiking the AT.  Post about "how to avoid being Creepy Guy" by a female AT hiker.  Had advice like "say Hi, make a typical weather/rocks/packweight comment, but if it isn't reciprocated Move On Along"  "Don't ask questions about where she's planning to camp that night" "Don't offer her food then expect to get laid for it" "don't touch her or her gear without asking (outside of emergency), even if you're trying to help her along the trail" - all seemed pretty straightforward "well DUH" to me.

Surprising number of responses were along your vein - "OMG OMG Shock Panic Can't look at a woman hiker now without sexual harassment"

I have a teen daughter who gets f**king catcalls from doofuses in nearby apartment buildings when she's taking the dog for a run in a baggy cotton tshirt and running shorts over tights.  This is in a super-safe conservative midwestern neighborhood.  I would love to beat said doofuses into pulp for making my girl uncomfortable but there's plenty more where they came from.  Doofus-beating could be a full-time job and after I'm jailed, they'll just repopulate.

 

So the above gets no sympathy from me.   Looking is not the d*mn problem here.

If women complain of being groped without their consent and having a guy pull out his junk and demand sex of some form - don't go all defensive and chirp about how "what's next, looking at an attractive woman is gonna be sexual harassment".  We're only just getting to the point where actually touching without consent and demanding sex from subordinates on the job is sexual harassment, y'know?

 

It's really just not that hard.
 

 

 

 

Hear, hear.  

[HappyDays]

 

Wow those details are disturbing. You would think she has the text messages as proof at least. No response from the accused yet.

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

Are we talking about the same Marshall Faulk who has six children with four different women?

 

We ain't exactly talking about a born-again Christian here.

 

 

[Wayne Arnold]

4 minutes ago, Steptide said:

I dunno, for me I just think of it this way, you had a sexual revolution in the 60s and 70s, then released porn movies into theaters in the 80s, and now everything in media and on TV is overly sexualized. Meanwhile theirs probably 40 different websites you can stream free porn on, but the public is shocked and outraged when a sexual allegation happens. Again, Im not justifying it, but what does the public expect. It is a result of culture that we've created. 

 

Interesting perspective but the environment doesn't excuse sexual misconduct. 

 

No idea if this woman is legit or not but guys like Weinstein are getting exactly what they deserve. 

[Captain_Quint]

16 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

It's really just not that hard.
 

 

 

So you're saying there's a medical issue at play here, too?

Edited December 12, 2017 by Captain_Quint

[Richard Noggin]

1 hour ago, Steptide said:

It's going to get to a point where if you look at an attractive woman it's gonna be sexual harassment 

Or, you know, don't be a d!ck.

[Helpmenow]

9 minutes ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said:

Are we talking about the same Marshall Faulk who has six children with four different women?

 

We ain't exactly talking about a born-again Christian here.

 

 

Might claim to be

[dpberr]

It seems like every week there is a congressman resigning or a new celebrity allegation.

 

I think some real-world fallout is going to be nobody says or does anything to anybody at any time - so there will be no corporate parties, picnics, zero opportunities to have anything possibly ever happen on the corporate dime where they'd be liable.  The corporate lawyers will say "avoid the risk" and just cancel social events entirely.

 

I can see the workplace becoming sterile too.  Men will hire men, women will hire women because you might say "Hey, you look nice today." and somebody feels harassed, files a complaint, and then resources have to be dedicated to investigating it because you can't really define harassment.  Everyone has a different sensitivity to it.  

 

Plus, although it appears a lot of these cases have been going on a long time impacting numerous women, there is something about being innocent until proven guilty.  These allegations have serious consequences.  I'm assuming that the allegations are true since a lot of these men aren't filing massive lawsuits in court.

Edited December 12, 2017 by dpberr

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

I have a sure-fire two-step method for avoiding this kind of situation:

 

1) Keep your hands to yourself at all times.

 

2) Be anti-social with all co-workers. No idle chit-chat, nothing. Someone says hi, say hi and keep walking.

 

That keeps you above reproach and out of the clutches of feminist crazies.

 

[Chicken Boo]

12 minutes ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said:

Are we talking about the same Marshall Faulk who has six children with four different women?

 

We ain't exactly talking about a born-again Christian here.

 

 

 

The guy in the White House has 5 children by 3 different women and sexual assault allegations aplenty.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

22 minutes ago, Steptide said:

I dunno, for me I just think of it this way, you had a sexual revolution in the 60s and 70s, then released porn movies into theaters in the 80s, and now everything in media and on TV is overly sexualized. Meanwhile theirs probably 40 different websites you can stream free porn on, but the public is shocked and outraged when a sexual allegation happens. Again, Im not justifying it, but what does the public expect. It is a result of culture that we've created. On top of that, our president owns or owned the miss America pageant and is married to a very attractive woman who's posed nude for magazines. 

 

You get no argument from me that the entertainment and fashion industries have been super-sexualized, and that and the free availability of p*rn create a sexualized culture.  It's a great point, even before moving to the boy's clothes department 'cuz you can't buy sturdy non-sexualized clothes in girls for your 6 year old daughter.

As far as "what does the public expect" though, all my friends who discuss being into p*rn make a big deal that p*rn-consumers understand the difference between fantasy and real life and just because they enjoy a good fantasy doesn't mean they'd overstep IRL.  And I have a good friend, middle aged mom, who is a member of a nudist club so she tries to get me to visit and talks about what it's like, how people behave etc - it's not at all sexual according to her.

So I'm kinda not sure what you're arguing here - are you saying that contrary to the p*rn lovers arguments and the behavior expected at nudist clubs, people really can't tell the difference between entertainment/fantasy and real life or can't control themselves, so we need to control entertainment in order to have folks behave decently IRL? 

Edited December 12, 2017 by Hapless Bills Fan

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You get no argument from me that the entertainment and fashion industries have been super-sexualized, and that and the free availability of p*rn create a sexualized culture.

It's a great point.

As far as "what does the public expect" though, all my friends who discuss being into porn make a big deal that p*rn-consumers understand the difference between fantasy and real life and just because they enjoy a good fantasy doesn't mean they'd overstep IRL.  And I have a good friend, middle aged mom, who is a member of a nudist club. 

So I'm kinda not sure what you're arguing here - are you saying that contrary to the p*rn lovers arguments and the behavior expected at nudist clubs, people really can't tell the difference between entertainment/fantasy and real life or can't control themselves, so we need to control entertainment in order to have folks behave decently IRL?

 

Let me ask you a question:

 

How much faith do you put into the intellect and wisdom of the average human being?

 

[T-Bomb]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You get no argument from me that the entertainment and fashion industries have been super-sexualized, and that and the free availability of p*rn create a sexualized culture.

It's a great point.

As far as "what does the public expect" though, all my friends who discuss being into porn make a big deal that p*rn-consumers understand the difference between fantasy and real life and just because they enjoy a good fantasy doesn't mean they'd overstep IRL.  And I have a good friend, middle aged mom, who is a member of a nudist club. 

So I'm kinda not sure what you're arguing here - are you saying that contrary to the p*rn lovers arguments and the behavior expected at nudist clubs, people really can't tell the difference between entertainment/fantasy and real life or can't control themselves, so we need to control entertainment in order to have folks behave decently IRL?

 

Some people can't handle porn, just like some can't handle guns.

 

I think we're getting to the crying wolf stage of this sexual harassment stuff, ambulance chasers have found a new currency stream.

[sullim4]

It would seem incredibly easy to fabricate a complaint against someone you seek revenge against.

 

I'm not saying these accusations aren't credible, but the prevailing feeling here is that these guys are guilty until proven innocent.  Given the sheer volume of complaints recently, I have to believe less than 100% of them are credible.

[Lfod]

6 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

I have a sure-fire two-step method for avoiding this kind of situation:

 

1) Keep your hands to yourself at all times.

 

2) Be anti-social with all co-workers. No idle chit-chat, nothing. Someone says hi, say hi and keep walking.

 

That keeps you above reproach and out of the clutches of feminist crazies.

 

I am exactly like that. Still they follow me around and get into my business even though they have no power over me.

[Steptide]

6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You get no argument from me that the entertainment and fashion industries have been super-sexualized, and that and the free availability of p*rn create a sexualized culture.

It's a great point.

As far as "what does the public expect" though, all my friends who discuss being into porn make a big deal that p*rn-consumers understand the difference between fantasy and real life and just because they enjoy a good fantasy doesn't mean they'd overstep IRL.  And I have a good friend, middle aged mom, who is a member of a nudist club. 

So I'm kinda not sure what you're arguing here - are you saying that contrary to the p*rn lovers arguments and the behavior expected at nudist clubs, people really can't tell the difference between entertainment/fantasy and real life or can't control themselves, so we need to control entertainment in order to have folks behave decently IRL?

 

In some cases yes. You and I know the difference between fantasy and reality, but some don't. You watch enough porn and or movies/TV and some think it's reality. 

 

On top of that, smartphones and social media also add to these things. I remember in high school trying to download porn on a friend's computer (this was in the 90s with dial up internet) and you'd be lucky to get a photo of a naked chic. Now any 15 yr old kid can go on his phone and find any kind of porn or fetish his heart desires. You put that impression on young minds and yes, I can absolutely see why some men may not be able to discern reality from fantasy. 

 

Let me also add a personal story to the equation. This is just my own example, and I'm not dis crediting any accusations made by woman. When I was about 19, I worked with a chic who was super flirty. She'd rub up against you and litterally mess with you all day. She lived  with her bf by the way. After a few months of working with her, for whatever reason she told her bf that I slept with her. I never once even kissed this chic or did ANYTHING with her. She ended up quitting but everyone I worked with thought I had sex with her. I never ever even tried or tried to even hang out with her outside work. This was roughly 17 years ago, but I can only imagine if that happened today. 

Edited December 12, 2017 by Steptide

[keepthefaith]

40 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

It’s going to get to the point where nobody is going to like anyone. 

 

You need to get a pad of sexual consent forms and keep it with you and become a notary.  If you're interested in someone, you throw paper at them and only pursue those that sign off on engagement. 

Edited December 12, 2017 by keepthefaith

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Lfod said:

I am exactly like that. Still they follow me around and get into my business even though they have no power over me.

 

I've actually told people to leave me alone, I have work to do. Of course it helps that I don't care about what people think of me.

 

[Lfod]

I worked with girl I would of loved to be with. I made my move and got rejected. She didn't complain because after I knew she wasn't interested I left her alone. 

Edited December 12, 2017 by Lfod

[Royale with Cheese]

Lets see how this plays out.  I'm not going to assume anything at this point.  I've been accused of sexual assault in the past and it sucked.  I was completely innocent so nothing happened but still made me worry.  This girl was just trying to gain attention from her ex and using me to do it....by telling him I assaulted her.  He reached out to me and we talked and found out she was lying.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

You know, a lot of people mocked Mike Pence about his philosophy on being in the presence of a woman other than his wife.

 

Looks pretty smart right about now.

 

[nucci]

1 hour ago, Steptide said:

It's going to get to a point where if you look at an attractive woman it's gonna be sexual harassment 

No, if you touch her without permission in a sexual manner, then it is harassment...which is apparently  what all these guys are doing.....I don't get it

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, jaybee said:

Message relay:  More sex allegations.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/sexual-misconduct/nfl-network-suspends-hall-famer-marshall-faulk-two-others-over-n828621

 

Its ridiculous.   I hope guys start suing companies so they realize they simply cannot just take anyone's word for it and make the guys suffer consequences with no evidence.  They also should start suing the women themselves.  Once you force them to spend 25K in lawyer fees I bet a lot of tunes change---can't have it cutting into the shoe, hair and nail budget after all...

 

Funniest part is, it's only "harrassment" when the woman isn't interested in you...if they are interested half the time they end up in the nearest closet or bathroom with you...SMFH at the double standards they are allowed to get away with.  They literally want it both ways so they can have the law be whichever way is beneficial to them at the time.  15 years later after they've had some time to reconsider, it can change.

Edited December 12, 2017 by matter2003