transient Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Hands down, Gibran Hamdan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 3 hours ago, Norwood for Wall of Fame said: Jeff Tuel Brian Brohm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 If were going actual production and not just talent/potential I would go in this order: 1. London Fletcher (Dude might make the HOF) 2. LeSean McCoy (Recent but dear god is he good) 3. Kyle Williams (Enough said) 4. Fred Jackson (Enough said) I understand those who would say Marshawn Lynch but he really made his mark more in Seattle. NOW If we going off of talent regardless of if they actually hit their full potential my list looks like this: 1. CJ Spiller (He had one season where we saw what he really could do and before and after that season Chan couldn't out how to use him enough. I really believe had he had the proper coach and injuries didn't effect him the guy could've been an all time great. Different team and offense and I believe his story is far different) 2. Kyle Williams (If he wasn't in Buffalo aon a team that makes the playoffs a lot he might be in the discussion for the HOF some day. His numbers were always good and his play had almost zero drop off for a decade) 3. Eric Wood (When an offense is good and the QB play is good the line gets credit fair or not. Wood has always played at a pretty high level and with a better QB I think it would've enhanced his career) 4. Antoine Winfield (BUF completely botched this thinking Nate Clements was the better player and not wanting to pay him money to stay here. Clements was decent, but Winfield turned into a Pro Bowl CB and had a far longer more productive career. If the Bills had kept Winfield they don't end up drafting McKelvin because Clements leaving after 06 forced that draft pick and wasn't worth the money he wanted, Winfield was.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 3 hours ago, LittleJoeCartwright said: He made a couple Pro Bowls. So did Tyrod. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Kyle Williams just on longevity and consistency alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 The Bills have been serving as a farm team for the rest of the league. Lots of success for those leaving. That has to stop to produce a winner here. As far a Jason Peters, he willingly violated his contract with the Bills....and is a no good individual, his legal word is not good. He deliberately laid down on the job to get traded. There needs to be a good faith effort clause in these big contracts. (J Byrd did the same and is also somebody I never want to see again in Buffalo as he is also low character) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 11 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Im pretty sure marshawn was pretty wasted during his whole stint here he loved Hennessy And walking up to random people and taking money from then apparently too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KW95 - JA17 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Why no Jerry Hughes love? Sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 uhhh... come on people PERCY HARVIN!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Fred Jackson, Jason Peters & Kyle Williams. KW would be a HOFer if he were with a better team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) Eric Moulds, Fred Jackson and Kyle Williams are the names that first come to my mind. Maybe Eric doesn't qualify for the topic but I really feel for him. What a wasted talent! If Moulds had (1) played for a playoff team with a good QB, and (2) stayed healthy, he would have gone to multiple Pro Bowls and received HOF votes. While I liked Evans, Moulds was a much better receiver. Regards to Freddy, I really disagree with the POV that he was a high-effort but humbly talented guy. Freddy was continually forced to make something out of nothing. Our OL was poor in Freddy's time. As I recall, Fred was among the league's leaders in yards-after-contact a couple years. And I remember reading PFF articles where Freddy rated high in their metrics as well. Mostly, though, he was such a joy to watch. Not OJ good - but still a very skilled runner. Edited December 7, 2017 by hondo in seattle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Ko Simpson - The guy who told police officers "I'm a Buffalo Bill! I'm worth millions!" was pretty wasted that night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Kyle Williams for longevity alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Seantrell Henderson was pretty wasted running though the neighborhood in his boxers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 JP Looserman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simool Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 How about Leodis, he deserves the lawn pride he was so clearly deprived of. JP, I swear to god he was capable of being a good QB. If we had just hired Mike Sherman, he actually wanted to draft JP in Green Bay. Thing look a lot different when you have a coach that actually wants you. I saw someone mention Orton, obsofrigginlutely. How about Craig Nall for the win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said: Ko Simpson - The guy who told police officers "I'm a Buffalo Bill! I'm worth millions!" was pretty wasted that night. I like that winners attitude. Aaron Schobel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 How can it be anyone but Meatball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 K. Williams and Lynch Also Schoebel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 14 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: Punters are people too. Brain Moorman (2001-2013) Oh they didn't waste him , On the contrary the Bills inept offenses provided him with so many opportunities to punt that he became a punting superstar because of it!!!! There were definitely no cobwebs on his legs!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Nate Clements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 14 hours ago, BuffaloRush said: Over the past 17 years of very bad moments and sometimes equally bad players, it me wonder who was the best Bills player that should have received more fame and notoriety, but instead get overlooked given the Bills dreadful performance over the past 19 years. Here's a few options: Eric Moulds Eric played in the Bills two playoffs games but the majority of his career was spent in Buffalo during the drought era. His numbers are stellars when he had a decent QB (Bledsoe and/or Flutie) and still had good numbers with bad QB's. It always made me wonder what Moulds could have done in a good offense with a top QB. I think he could have been a household name - he had some serious athletic ability. Lee Evans I think that Lee was a very underrated receiver. He played nearly his entire career in Buffalo with some very bad QB's and yet he was still very productive. Like Moulds above, I always wondered what could have been if Lee was on a team with a good QB. Aaron Schobel Schobel was one of the NFL most productive edge rushers for a few seasons in the mid 2000's but hardly anyone paid attention to him in the Buffalo market. It seemed like that could have gotten to later on his career, as it appeared he was mailing it in. But still a great pass rushers in his day. Fred Jackson Bills fans all know Fred's story. A leader at RB who had great ability and excellent in all three facets of playing the position - running, catching, and blocking. Fred was very productive on some atrocious teams and never really seemed to get attention in the league until the Patriots victory in 2011. Kyle Williams Another players that doesn't get enough credit playing on a very bad football team. While his best days are behind him, at one time you could make the argument that Kyle was one of the top performers at the position in a 4-3 defense. Those are my choices - how about yours? A++ nice job 14 hours ago, Bills fan since 87 said: Takeo Spikes good call 14 hours ago, Rob's House said: Why isn't Kyle Orton on that list? umm because he sucks? Pat Williams? One of the big guy Williams' run stuffers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 8 minutes ago, Rico said: Nate Clements. I've been reading through and Lesean seems like the obvious choice. But can I can package Clements with Winfield as an honorable mention? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Kyle Williams, Fred Jackson and Shady... Aaron Schobel was one of my least favorite "lunch box" players. Couldn't stand him. He played great against crappy players and never showed up when needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: I've been reading through and Lesean seems like the obvious choice. But can I can package Clements with Winfield as an honorable mention? You can, but I can’t. Lil Antoine showed mediocre coverage skills and non-existent playmaking skills with the Bills. Nice tackler, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Brady could be here in his prime and the Bills still would not make the playoffs. The drought is too powerful. I agree that Shady McCoy and Lee Evans have been the most talented players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 4 hours ago, corta765 said: If were going actual production and not just talent/potential I would go in this order: 1. London Fletcher (Dude might make the HOF) 2. LeSean McCoy (Recent but dear god is he good) 3. Kyle Williams (Enough said) 4. Fred Jackson (Enough said) I understand those who would say Marshawn Lynch but he really made his mark more in Seattle. NOW If we going off of talent regardless of if they actually hit their full potential my list looks like this: 1. CJ Spiller (He had one season where we saw what he really could do and before and after that season Chan couldn't out how to use him enough. I really believe had he had the proper coach and injuries didn't effect him the guy could've been an all time great. Different team and offense and I believe his story is far different) 2. Kyle Williams (If he wasn't in Buffalo aon a team that makes the playoffs a lot he might be in the discussion for the HOF some day. His numbers were always good and his play had almost zero drop off for a decade) 3. Eric Wood (When an offense is good and the QB play is good the line gets credit fair or not. Wood has always played at a pretty high level and with a better QB I think it would've enhanced his career) 4. Antoine Winfield (BUF completely botched this thinking Nate Clements was the better player and not wanting to pay him money to stay here. Clements was decent, but Winfield turned into a Pro Bowl CB and had a far longer more productive career. If the Bills had kept Winfield they don't end up drafting McKelvin because Clements leaving after 06 forced that draft pick and wasn't worth the money he wanted, Winfield was.) Fred Jackson was a decent back. Over 1000 yards once in his career, never a 20 carry a game guy. A folk hero, great team mate. But he didn't waste his career here. Spiller did go to another team and another system (4 of them). His career wasn't wasted in Buffalo--it's where he had his only brief success. Wood? A better QB would make him a better....Center? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Fred Jackson was a decent back. Over 1000 yards once in his career, never a 20 carry a game guy. A folk hero, great team mate. But he didn't waste his career here. Spiller did go to another team and another system (4 of them). His career wasn't wasted in Buffalo--it's where he had his only brief success. Wood? A better QB would make him a better....Center? Your missing my point it is potential talent not actual execution. Spiller in an offense that highlighted his skills to run and catch getting the appropriate amount of carries could've been special. For center's you get linked with how good your QB is or isn't. Kent Hull would not have gotten the same adoration if he had Jeff George as his QB. I know fans don't like to hear it but circumstance, coach, and team matter a lot on how players are defined. As I said it was overall potential not what their career translated into also, I viewed it as What If when looking at their skill and position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Murray Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) One that hasent been named yet: Terrence McGee. Decent cover guy, and holy hell could he return kicks. 5450 return yards for a 26.3 average and 5 TDs. Next closest on return yards in team history is McKelvin with 2471 and in TDs is Charley Warner (back in 1964) with 3... 2x All-Pro as a returner! From Wiki: Bills franchise records[edit] Most career kickoff return yards (5,450)[1] Most career kickoff return touchdowns (5)[1] Most career All-Purpose yards (5,450)[1] Longest Kickoff return touchdown: 104[1] Most career fumble return yards (106)[1] Most passes defended (97)[1] Edited December 7, 2017 by Bill Murray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Aaron "Mayhem" Maybin. Total beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 15 hours ago, Rob's House said: Why isn't Kyle Orton on that list? Yes and CJ Spiller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 21 minutes ago, corta765 said: Your missing my point it is potential talent not actual execution. Spiller in an offense that highlighted his skills to run and catch getting the appropriate amount of carries could've been special. For center's you get linked with how good your QB is or isn't. Kent Hull would not have gotten the same adoration if he had Jeff George as his QB. I know fans don't like to hear it but circumstance, coach, and team matter a lot on how players are defined. As I said it was overall potential not what their career translated into also, I viewed it as What If when looking at their skill and position. Gailey was the only one who got anything out of Spiller. The other 4 teams couldn't find anything to do for/with him. So, how could his time in Buffalo be considered wasted? Doesn't make sense. 21 minutes ago, Bill Murray said: One that hasent been named yet: Terrence McGee. decent cover guy, but holy hell could he return kicks. 5450 return yards for a 26.3 average and % TDs. Next closest on return yards in team history is McKelvin with 2471 and in TDs is Charley Warner (back in 1964) with 3... 2x All-Pro as a returner! From Wiki: Bills franchise records[edit] Most career kickoff return yards (5,450)[1] Most career kickoff return touchdowns (5)[1] Most career All-Purpose yards (5,450)[1] Longest Kickoff return touchdown: 104[1] Most career fumble return yards (106)[1] Most passes defended (97)[1] I agree with this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 My picks: WR's: Evans and Moulds - Both were saddled with terrible QBs but could have had substantially better careers had they not been stuck in Buffalo with bad QB play. Moulds specifically was a guy who should have had a HOF career, the talent and drive was there. The QB's unfortunately were not. He will not be a guy remembered they way he should have been outside Buffalo because of the garbage he mostly played with. DL: Shcobel and Mario Williams: Dominant D players stuck on terrible overall teams. In Marios case, the D was pretty good, but the offense was one of the worst in the NFL during his peak. RB: Fred Jackson - This was a guy who should have been given the starting job and never really was, always a share with someone. We wasted first round picks on Lynch and Spiller when we had a very talented do it all RB already. All the while ignoring the QB position and other holes on the team. FJ had the ability to be a perennial 1100-1200 yard rusher with 600+ yards receiving and double digit TD's. Yet they never leaned on him and kept trying to find a shinier RB and ignored the teams real needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 15 hours ago, Elite Poster said: Lesean freaking HOF McCoy This is a no brainer. Shady! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 If Moulds counts I would like to add Winfield. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Chris Hogan and Aaron Williams. It is clear to me that our players's value cannot be properly assessed with the garbage we have had at QB and previous coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 17 hours ago, bobobonators said: Kyle Williams is going to be on the wall of fame one day. And he’ll have nothing else to show for his efforts unfortunately. I think his bank account will show what he received for his efforts. I’m I’m sure it isn’t small either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, Idandria said: I think his bank account will show what he received for his efforts. I’m I’m sure it isn’t small either. Thats not the point of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 17 hours ago, bobobonators said: Kyle Williams is going to be on the wall of fame one day. And he’ll have nothing else to show for his efforts unfortunately. except for millions of dollars...which isn't all that bad a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 19 hours ago, Rob's House said: Why isn't Kyle Orton on that list? Preach!! The player we wasted during the drought? Easy. Paul Posluzny. MLB that could have stayed on our team for ten years...he's still playing and playing well. MLB is the QB of the defense. Too bad we let him leave. Less obvious choice: Eric Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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