John from Riverside Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Sammy traded Boldin retires I really thought there was a chance that Holmes might get cut in that 3rd round comp pick formula.......I dont think that is happening now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 well, at least Matthews can move back to the slot with Holmes on the outside with Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Imagine if half this fanbase cared about wins as much as comp picks? Where else have you ever heard them even get talked about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) Sammy traded Boldin retires I really thought there was a chance that Holmes might get cut in that 3rd round comp pick formula.......I dont think that is happening now. They don't have to make the moves until week 10 right? They will absolutely do what it takes to the that pick. 100% certain. Edited August 21, 2017 by vincec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 21, 2017 Author Share Posted August 21, 2017 Imagine if half this fanbase cared about wins as much as comp picks? Where else have you ever heard them even get talked about? To me its got nothing to do with whether I want them to win or no (of course i do) I just think that it was the plan.....but you cannot plan on a veteran nfl wide receiver who is supposed to be this great locker room presence just up and quitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 i think they have to week 10 by then there will be little reason to keep him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 They don't have to make the moves until week 10 right? They will absolutely do what it takes to the that pick. 100% certain. Agreed. Week 10 Holmes is gone unless he breaks out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Sammy traded Boldin retires I really thought there was a chance that Holmes might get cut in that 3rd round comp pick formula.......I dont think that is happening now. Depends on who becomes available in roster cuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 If streater and Matthews are not healthy soon Holmes will be forced to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustWinPlease Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Imagine if half this fanbase cared about wins as much as comp picks? Where else have you ever heard them even get talked about? The Patriots make these moves all the time...it's part of the way they've built their team. You couldn't trade Andre Holmes, Ryan Davis and Vlad Ducasse for a 3rd round pick...cutting fringe players, at best, is definitely worth a 3rd round pick. I'd rather keep Brandon Reilly, bring back Kolby Listenbee or sign Dorial Green-Beckham, than keep Andre Holmes...he's 29 years old, with 1,400 yards and 12 TD's in 6 seasons. (You can find an Andre Holmes anywhere, just like they found Justin Hunter and his 4 TD's last year...you can easily find someone cheaper to provide 250 yards and 2 TD's per season.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 If streater and Matthews are not healthy soon Holmes will be forced to stay. Week 10 is the deadline, not week 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_believer Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Since they traded off there top receiver for a 2nd round pick and their top cornerback for a 3rd round pick, I think they will cut enough of their signed free agents to possibly get a third round pick and a fourth round pick. Most of those free agents are not overly impressive and you probably can find a replacement when the teams cut down to 53 that will be pretty close in terms of talent. I suspect the Bills will be active when teams cut down to 53. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 What an off season. I cant believe I miss Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Week 10 is the deadline, not week 1. Injuries happen. Its doubtful to me that he makes the 53 but isnt on the roster week 10. Only way he gets hurt and they do an injury settlement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Injuries happen. Its doubtful to me that he makes the 53 but isnt on the roster week 10. Only way he gets hurt and they do an injury settlement. We'll use him until we are either out of the playoff hunt by week 10 (likely) or we'll keep him if he plays better than what a 3rd round pick is worth. Pretty simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Imagine if half this fanbase cared about wins as much as comp picks? Where else have you ever heard them even get talked about? Yeah the draft geeks follow them, lots of great comp picks that have changed entire organizations starting with Brady, Hines Ward, Larry Allen, Colston, Brian Dawkins, Garcon etc. Comp picks can be huge and good GM's (and fans?) follow them carefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) Imagine if half this fanbase cared about wins as much as comp picks? Where else have you ever heard them even get talked about? Considering Beano just traded two of the Bills best players for a 2nd and 3rd and two one yr rentals, it would be smart to think this way as this is the "year of the tank" and a 3rd round and 5th round comp pick in 2018 for cutting 4 marginal players by week 9 in 2017, that you could immediately resign if you wish, would be very very smart. It is what any smart GM would do. PS: no one really knows if week 10 is the deadline. That is specualtion as NFL has never released the "super secret" comp pick formula. Edited August 21, 2017 by cba fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 PS: no one really knows if week 10 is the deadline. That is specualtion as NFL has never released the "super secret" comp pick formula. No, it's week 10 and there's no speculation. The Jets cut Jarvis Jenkins after week 9 last year for the same reason. This only delays the inevitable for Holmes (and it still may not even do that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Week 10 is the deadline, not week 1. Partly true. If they cut him before week 1 then re-sign him after he doesn't count. I think with a stacked receiver room they might have chanced that. Suspect they won't now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 the Cover 1 guys were talking about Holmes' technique. How come the Raiders never fixed it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 i think they have to week 10 by then there will be little reason to keep him exactly. the tank will be in full flower by then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffalothruMyVeins Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Does anyone know... What if the Bills want to play the game of chicken by cutting him by week 10, but he gets injured on week 6? Doesn't his presence on season-ending IR make his contract guaranteed for the whole season? What if they IR and then release with an injury settlement, are they then out of the woods? It seems like a dangerous game of chicken to keep him... I say just get the roster down to 51 or 52 guys on cutdown day, including Ducasse, Holmes, and the DE, and then pick up the best WR that gets cut by another team. Don't chance it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 By week 10 we could be 4-6 so it will be a tough call but I hope they do the right thing and get those comp picks at all costs. Keep in mind we will still have 2 Pats games remaining on the schedule so I hope they don't keep the players in hopes of a long shot wild card berth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Sammy traded Boldin retires I really thought there was a chance that Holmes might get cut in that 3rd round comp pick formula.......I dont think that is happening now. Not necessarily. Holmes has seemed just awful in camp, and after Jones and Matthews, the receivers seem pretty interchangeable. Could easily see them going: Matthews, Jones, Streater (if healthy), Philly Brown, Tate, Shorts or Reilly. Plus, considering how this team is constructed, they might not keep all that many wide receivers, in favor of running backs, fullbacks, and tight ends. Also, I suspect we might be closer to the comp picks than we think. Nobody really knows what the formula is, and if memory serves, the experts (who will readily admit they aren't certain) listed Justin Hunter as the first guy who did not qualify and EJ pretty close. Both those players might already count, plus if EJ is a back-up and Hunter has a solid season, that would likely play into the formula. Now, if they don't cut Ducasse, that'd be frustrating (sorry Vlad). If he's starting (barring injury to Miller), I'd even start turning a bit negative on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HT02 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Imagine if half this fanbase cared about wins as much as comp picks? Where else have you ever heard them even get talked about? You saw the title of this post, you knew what it was about but yet you still felt the need to take the time to ridicule anyone who is so "dumb" to discuss this topic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Sammy traded Boldin retires I really thought there was a chance that Holmes might get cut in that 3rd round comp pick formula.......I dont think that is happening now. The thing that really helped Holmes possibly stick on this Roster will be how bad the Steater injury is. Boldin was done when signed. I think WRs will be added on cuts as well. Plus they still have until week 10 to cut him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 They don't have to make the moves until week 10 right? They will absolutely do what it takes to the that pick. 100% certain. I'll take that bet. If they really were forward-thinking enough to care about comp picks, why would they sign Hauschka? He's 32 now. Are we planning on him being our kicker in 3 years when the team is actually rebuilt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 I'll take that bet. If they really were forward-thinking enough to care about comp picks, why would they sign Hauschka? He's 32 now. Are we planning on him being our kicker in 3 years when the team is actually rebuilt? Kickers do play on until late 30s early 40s to be fair..... but I agree with the principle. As I asked in my alignment thread last week which was reacted to as though I had suggested moving the team.... is this direction still the vision we had during FA back in March and the draft in April? I'm not sure you can say it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo86 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 This sucks. I was hoping we'd have 7 picks in the first 3 rounds, but I guess now we'll only have 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) Formula is crap and false. Real formula = Pats get pick. Everything else random. Edited August 21, 2017 by 4merper4mer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Kickers do play on until late 30s early 40s to be fair..... but I agree with the principle. As I asked in my alignment thread last week which was reacted to as though I had suggested moving the team.... is this direction still the vision we had during FA back in March and the draft in April? I'm not sure you can say it is. Fair point - it's possible that the FO has decided to take a different tack. But if so, it's still concerning that they went through the entire FA period with a "win now with lots of budget veterans" mindset before pivoting. Even at the time, it made no sense. You probably couldn't trade our entire free agent class for a 3rd and 4th round pick, and certainly couldn't get either of those for combined haul of Ducasse, Davis, Holmes, and Hauschka. Thus far, only Hauschka looks like a decent signing, but I don't see how that helps us. If the FO is throwing in the towel on this season, do we really want a reliable kicker? Isn't it better for the "process" to lose that 13-10 game instead of win it? I'm not really sure what McDermott's "process" is, but I won't be on board with it until it leads to wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 The thing that really helped Holmes possibly stick on this Roster will be how bad the Steater injury is. Boldin was done when signed. I think WRs will be added on cuts as well. Plus they still have until week 10 to cut him. Can always cut him and bring him back after week 1 too. I seriously doubt people will be lining up for him anyway. Same with Ryan Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 They'll probably dump Holmes after week 6 when Powell comes off of suspension Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 They don't have to make the moves until week 10 right? They will absolutely do what it takes to the that pick. 100% certain. I agree. They'll make it happen. They value picks in this draft too much not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Not necessarily. Holmes has seemed just awful in camp, and after Jones and Matthews, the receivers seem pretty interchangeable. Could easily see them going: Matthews, Jones, Streater (if healthy), Philly Brown, Tate, Shorts or Reilly. Plus, considering how this team is constructed, they might not keep all that many wide receivers, in favor of running backs, fullbacks, and tight ends. Also, I suspect we might be closer to the comp picks than we think. Nobody really knows what the formula is, and if memory serves, the experts (who will readily admit they aren't certain) listed Justin Hunter as the first guy who did not qualify and EJ pretty close. Both those players might already count, plus if EJ is a back-up and Hunter has a solid season, that would likely play into the formula. Now, if they don't cut Ducasse, that'd be frustrating (sorry Vlad). If he's starting (barring injury to Miller), I'd even start turning a bit negative on this team. Can you imagine Ducasses starting against the New York Jets, my God, I think that turns maybe our easiest game of the year into a toss up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 I agree. They'll make it happen. They value picks in this draft too much not to.i agree with you. I do think Ryan Davis looked good on Thursday though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Imagine if half this fanbase cared about wins as much as comp picks? Where else have you ever heard them even get talked about? It's so stupid to even think anyone on a MESSAGE BOARD does not want what is best for this team in the long-run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offsides#76FredSmerlas Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Sammy traded Boldin retires I really thought there was a chance that Holmes might get cut in that 3rd round comp pick formula.......I dont think that is happening now. I agree 100%. Also with Streater getting hurt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Imagine if half this fanbase cared about wins as much as comp picks? Where else have you ever heard them even get talked about? Searching for the old bbmb :yeahthat: , but to no avail. So I guess I will settle with: Yeah, that>>>/\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyToughII Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Imagine if half this fanbase cared about wins as much as comp picks? Where else have you ever heard them even get talked about? LMAO only on this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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