Buffalo03 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 51 minutes ago, babulator said: Do Von next! Rip that bandage BBB! I don't know if it's doable this season. We may have to go one more year with him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 8 minutes ago, Norcalbillsfan said: pay von to be a scare crow. LOL good one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 35 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Von has an out that only cost $15 million against the cap if cut him in 2025. I'd rather not touch that term with his status unknown for now.  34 minutes ago, Steptide said: Oh I didn't realize that  It does not "cost" us anything. Moving on from Von after this season nets us $8.45M in cap space. Having Von on the roster in 2025 COSTS us $23.8M in cap space. Removing Von from the roster in 2025 SAVES us $8.45M in cap space.  When it comes to moving on from players the net is much more important than the dead cap number. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 13 minutes ago, Virgil said: 23 mil in dead cap space is rough   Beane obliterated the all time record for dead cap created in the 2018 offseason.  I think it was about twice that figure and that was, of course,  when the cap was much smaller.   Now Denver has like $70M plus dead cap just for cutting Russ.  It's all relative.  I used to laugh when Beane would wax about how the previous regime had put them in cap hell when they were $32M under the cap heading into free agency in 2017 with almost nothing committed into 2019.  Gotta' respect the audacity it took to say sh!t like that when it could so easily be refuted.  He just knew the average fan would buy it unconditionally because they wanted a regime change.   BB has been faking it til' he makes it.........I think he's smart he was just really raw as a personnel man...........and I am hoping THIS is the offseason where he really kills it with great decisions.  Off to a good start not being a slave to sentimentality.   These moves had to be made, IMO. 2 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 12 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:  Spotrac is keeping up pretty well. It's -$16M with $10M added to the cap June 1st.  https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/  I saw that. I wasn't sure if that -$16M number was with or without Tre. He is in red but I still have the option to move on from him in the roster editor. I cam here to ask and it has been answered. Thanks! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted March 6 Author Share Posted March 6 35 minutes ago, TPS said: By the time they sign the picks, the cap hit from the draft will only be about half that amount. For example, the top pick is slotted to make $2.46 mil, but will knock someone off the top 51 list making $900K, so the net addition will be $1.56 million, and the bottom half of the draft picks may not even count for the top 51. Spotrac estimates we'll need 11,570,141 to sign our picks and it will cost cap wise 9,185,141.https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 40 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: the recap. And it was needed.  What's the Douglas salary conversion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 50 minutes ago, Steptide said: RE structure Josh and von and we'd be in good shape  Actually, I wish they'd designate Von as a post June 1st cut.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 9 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Â What's the Douglas salary conversion? looks like they restructured 3.5M of his base salary over 4 years so it saves 2.6M of cap spave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, FireChans said: Someone has to explain how Von survives these cuts Next year post June 1 designation (6m dead cap or 15m cut after season). Still 17m for post June this year/ 32m if cut now.  His dead cap is higher than his cap hit currently. Next year it will be 6m vs 23m with a post Jun 1st designation.   Edited March 6 by The Wiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Jettison the over thirty guys. Â Has to be done. Â Go younger and build for another run at the championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 33 minutes ago, Norcalbillsfan said: Gonna miss those guys, i think the worst part for me as a fan is watching contributors like po and morse walk to save pennies compared to what we pay von to be a scare crow. But I'm happy so far. Get younger and cheaper.  And more athletic. Are the players that come, will they be better than Poyer and Hyde, for example? Maybe not, but I don't think it'll be a huge drop off.  I have heard a lot this offseason about big plays Poyer and Hyde made, even this year. But I have 2 questions when you are dealing with 30+ year old guys in the secondary....They made those plays in the past, but here another year, and another year older, would they be able to make them again? And 2nd, Those are the plays they made...how many plays did they NOT make that someone younger/faster might have had they been in their place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 3 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Next year post June 1 designation (6m dead cap or 15m cut after season). Still 17m for post June this year/ 32m if cut now.   Save 6.7M this season though.  Can you get a warm body to play that position for -$4M and put up Von’s production (1 tackle). I think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 35 minutes ago, Norcalbillsfan said: Gonna miss those guys, i think the worst part for me as a fan is watching contributors like po and morse walk to save pennies compared to what we pay von to be a scare crow. But I'm happy so far. Get younger and cheaper. Scarecrows are more valuable than present day Von and we are saving a lot more than pennies. Von is a Hall of Famer, no one cut today is close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 16 minutes ago, Brandon said:  Actually, I wish they'd designate Von as a post June 1st cut.  Wouldn't it be better to cut him before this?  Remaining $6.435M of 2024 salary fully guarantees 03/18/2024  Or am I missing something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) 5 minutes ago, FireChans said: Save 6.7M this season though.  Can you get a warm body to play that position for -$4M and put up Von’s production (1 tackle). I think so. could you, yes. but that 6.7 will likely turn into 2.2m quickly when replacing Von with 1 or 2 players. No I dont think he is the same as 2 players but they will pay 2 players to rotate in his place if they did cut him for around 4-5m so the savings isn't that much. And when you are talking about that amount of money for edge rusher, you have no clue what you are going to get in FA in terms of production for the year. The devil you know... Edited March 6 by The Wiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 A Josh restructure, Dawkins and Taron extensions  will give us a decent amount of space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 51 minutes ago, Virgil said: 23 mil in dead cap space is rough Hopefully swallowing that this year will ease the hit next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 23 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: Spotrac estimates we'll need 11,570,141 to sign our picks and it will cost cap wise 9,185,141.https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/  Yes, I saw that. It's a rough estimate based on the Bills current roster of 48-49 bodies, so most of the picks would count against the top 51 as of now. As I said, that will change significantly by the time they actually sign the draft picks. The cap hit will be significantly less at that time when they have a full roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Â 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 2 minutes ago, wppete said: Â He just restructure so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 2 minutes ago, wppete said:  Top ten all time tweet 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 9 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said: Wouldn't it be better to cut him before this?  Remaining $6.435M of 2024 salary fully guarantees 03/18/2024  Or am I missing something?  I wasn't aware of that provision of his contract. That probably explains why he's still on the roster.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 19 minutes ago, The Wiz said: could you, yes. but that 6.7 will likely turn into 2.2m quickly when replacing Von with 1 or 2 players. No I dont think he is the same as 2 players but they will pay 2 players to rotate in his place if they did cut him for around 4-5m so the savings isn't that much. And when you are talking about that amount of money for edge rusher, you have no clue what you are going to get in FA in terms of production for the year. The devil you know... Von took a cut, so I think he was in more danger of an outright release than you give him credit for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 1 hour ago, Allen2Moulds said: Can't restructure Von given his age. No time left to kick the can down the road. worse, if he doesn’t return to form you are just making it harder to escape.  If he was playing elite it would be worth a convo but the only way I’m making his 24 hit worse is by spreading his dead money because he’s cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 49 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:  What's the Douglas salary conversion? Base to Bonus. I would have thought it was an extension in the mix. But guess wasn’t in the cards at this moment. Maybe summer when Tres’s money frees up. 18 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: He just restructure so... Yeah a Pay cut.   1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 6 minutes ago, FireChans said: Von took a cut, so I think he was in more danger of an outright release than you give him credit for. I don't think it wouldn't have happened. Honestly wouldn't have been surprised if that was the case. But that was a different conversation 20 minutes ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said:  DO NOT touch Vons contract. We need out of it next year. Or... restructure Vons contract 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babulator Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Not even restructure, renegotiate. Subtle but impactful difference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLinALLEN Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 2 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said: I will try to work more Mojo,but Beane really sapped my strength today Well you (we) sorta just got it done! Lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 rght now it shows about 1 million in the hole and that is without Tre White's cut. You can go in there an add that, restructure Josh and Diggs gets you to 45 Million in cap for 24 if the Bills wanted to do that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 3 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said: rght now it shows about 1 million in the hole and that is without Tre White's cut. You can go in there an add that, restructure Josh and Diggs gets you to 45 Million in cap for 24 if the Bills wanted to do that. Was going to say after the Von paycut we are now cap compliant. Some simple things like a Dawkins extension or Allen restructure can give them close to 50 million in cap space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Between von gifting Beane $14m in cap space and the unexpected extra $13m in cap space, our whole off-season outlook has changed. Â 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 When the offseason first started, my dream was cutting White, Morse, Poyer, and Harty, and convincing Von to take a paycut. Consider me satisfied! Once we restructure Allen's contract we can be real players in free agency. 2 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Wondering where we stand after all the madness…  We likely want to see Josh still convert his $$$.  But after that, can we content at all in FA without having to extend older guys (Diggs etc) that we aren’t entirely confident in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Just now, HappyDays said: When the offseason first started, my dream was cutting White, Morse, Poyer, and Harty, and convincing Von to take a paycut. Consider me satisfied! Once we restructure Allen's contract we can be real players in free agency. I agree all of this was needed but I hope we’re not real players in free agency. I hope we hit on our draft picks then whatever we don’t fill in the draft we address in free agency once the dust settles and good players like Floyd last year are sitting there looking for one year bargain deals. Let’s be smart this time around Beane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 2 hours ago, Success said: This is a soft rebuild - but I don't think that takes us out of contention this year.  Quite the opposite. Putting younger less injury prone players on the field and freeing up cap space puts us MORE in contention this year. No doubt in my mind we will be a better team than last year. 5 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, FireChans said: Von took a cut, so I think he was in more danger of an outright release than you give him credit for. He would have kept more money if we just released him, he wants to win & be a team player Edited March 7 by uticaclub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Coot Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Rasul listed as a "salary conversion." What does that mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Spotrac has us at 7mil over the cap currently (I am not sure if all of the moves are reflected) but obviously before any Allen deal.  Going off this number; and 11 mil for rooks, it looks like they’ll have 10 or so mil at minimum to play with in free agency if they get the Allen money converted.  https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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