Buffalo03 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 51 minutes ago, babulator said: Do Von next! Rip that bandage BBB! I don't know if it's doable this season. We may have to go one more year with him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 8 minutes ago, Norcalbillsfan said: pay von to be a scare crow. LOL good one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 35 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Von has an out that only cost $15 million against the cap if cut him in 2025. I'd rather not touch that term with his status unknown for now. 34 minutes ago, Steptide said: Oh I didn't realize that It does not "cost" us anything. Moving on from Von after this season nets us $8.45M in cap space. Having Von on the roster in 2025 COSTS us $23.8M in cap space. Removing Von from the roster in 2025 SAVES us $8.45M in cap space. When it comes to moving on from players the net is much more important than the dead cap number. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 13 minutes ago, Virgil said: 23 mil in dead cap space is rough Beane obliterated the all time record for dead cap created in the 2018 offseason. I think it was about twice that figure and that was, of course, when the cap was much smaller. Now Denver has like $70M plus dead cap just for cutting Russ. It's all relative. I used to laugh when Beane would wax about how the previous regime had put them in cap hell when they were $32M under the cap heading into free agency in 2017 with almost nothing committed into 2019. Gotta' respect the audacity it took to say sh!t like that when it could so easily be refuted. He just knew the average fan would buy it unconditionally because they wanted a regime change. BB has been faking it til' he makes it.........I think he's smart he was just really raw as a personnel man...........and I am hoping THIS is the offseason where he really kills it with great decisions. Off to a good start not being a slave to sentimentality. These moves had to be made, IMO. 2 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 12 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Spotrac is keeping up pretty well. It's -$16M with $10M added to the cap June 1st. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ I saw that. I wasn't sure if that -$16M number was with or without Tre. He is in red but I still have the option to move on from him in the roster editor. I cam here to ask and it has been answered. Thanks! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted March 6 Author Share Posted March 6 35 minutes ago, TPS said: By the time they sign the picks, the cap hit from the draft will only be about half that amount. For example, the top pick is slotted to make $2.46 mil, but will knock someone off the top 51 list making $900K, so the net addition will be $1.56 million, and the bottom half of the draft picks may not even count for the top 51. Spotrac estimates we'll need 11,570,141 to sign our picks and it will cost cap wise 9,185,141.https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 40 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: the recap. And it was needed. What's the Douglas salary conversion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 50 minutes ago, Steptide said: RE structure Josh and von and we'd be in good shape Actually, I wish they'd designate Von as a post June 1st cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 9 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: What's the Douglas salary conversion? looks like they restructured 3.5M of his base salary over 4 years so it saves 2.6M of cap spave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, FireChans said: Someone has to explain how Von survives these cuts Next year post June 1 designation (6m dead cap or 15m cut after season). Still 17m for post June this year/ 32m if cut now. His dead cap is higher than his cap hit currently. Next year it will be 6m vs 23m with a post Jun 1st designation. Edited March 6 by The Wiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Jettison the over thirty guys. Has to be done. Go younger and build for another run at the championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 33 minutes ago, Norcalbillsfan said: Gonna miss those guys, i think the worst part for me as a fan is watching contributors like po and morse walk to save pennies compared to what we pay von to be a scare crow. But I'm happy so far. Get younger and cheaper. And more athletic. Are the players that come, will they be better than Poyer and Hyde, for example? Maybe not, but I don't think it'll be a huge drop off. I have heard a lot this offseason about big plays Poyer and Hyde made, even this year. But I have 2 questions when you are dealing with 30+ year old guys in the secondary....They made those plays in the past, but here another year, and another year older, would they be able to make them again? And 2nd, Those are the plays they made...how many plays did they NOT make that someone younger/faster might have had they been in their place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 3 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Next year post June 1 designation (6m dead cap or 15m cut after season). Still 17m for post June this year/ 32m if cut now. Save 6.7M this season though. Can you get a warm body to play that position for -$4M and put up Von’s production (1 tackle). I think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 35 minutes ago, Norcalbillsfan said: Gonna miss those guys, i think the worst part for me as a fan is watching contributors like po and morse walk to save pennies compared to what we pay von to be a scare crow. But I'm happy so far. Get younger and cheaper. Scarecrows are more valuable than present day Von and we are saving a lot more than pennies. Von is a Hall of Famer, no one cut today is close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 16 minutes ago, Brandon said: Actually, I wish they'd designate Von as a post June 1st cut. Wouldn't it be better to cut him before this? Remaining $6.435M of 2024 salary fully guarantees 03/18/2024 Or am I missing something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) 5 minutes ago, FireChans said: Save 6.7M this season though. Can you get a warm body to play that position for -$4M and put up Von’s production (1 tackle). I think so. could you, yes. but that 6.7 will likely turn into 2.2m quickly when replacing Von with 1 or 2 players. No I dont think he is the same as 2 players but they will pay 2 players to rotate in his place if they did cut him for around 4-5m so the savings isn't that much. And when you are talking about that amount of money for edge rusher, you have no clue what you are going to get in FA in terms of production for the year. The devil you know... Edited March 6 by The Wiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 A Josh restructure, Dawkins and Taron extensions will give us a decent amount of space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 51 minutes ago, Virgil said: 23 mil in dead cap space is rough Hopefully swallowing that this year will ease the hit next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 23 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: Spotrac estimates we'll need 11,570,141 to sign our picks and it will cost cap wise 9,185,141.https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ Yes, I saw that. It's a rough estimate based on the Bills current roster of 48-49 bodies, so most of the picks would count against the top 51 as of now. As I said, that will change significantly by the time they actually sign the draft picks. The cap hit will be significantly less at that time when they have a full roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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