H2o Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 The Pontoon Two floating into a stadium near you Fish fansĀ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Ā Yes.Ā Ā Leslie is a good coach though. He'd be a good hire for Miami. And their personnel is pretty transferrable for the most part. Ā He would be a better choice than Fangio, one of the most over rated coaches in the NFL. Sadly for Frazier, I suspect this is not a serious effort by Miami. Ā One part competitive intelligence gathering, and one part satisfaction of rules. Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaBill Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 2 hours ago, Einstein said: Just fyi. We averaged 30 turnovers forced under Frazier in 2021 and 27 in 2022. We had 30 turnovers this season. Ā Without Von,Tre, Milano and Daquan.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 2 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said: As long as there is less than 13 seconds leftā¦Leslie is your man!Ā Dolphins will never be in that position, so nothing to worry about! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bruffalo said: I know people are gonna joke here, but I don't want a DC in the division who knows Allen that well and can tell McDaniels about what he expects McDermott to do.Ā Ā Not for nothing but this goes both ways, McDermott and company know Frasier's coaching style and defensive mind probably better than anyone. Ā Another low hanging fruit Ā Interview Ā 1st Question: How will you stop Josh Allen? Ā Frasier: All I need is 13 seconds. Edited January 30 by Warcodered 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakAttack Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Babich...Frazier...seems Dolphins are more obsessed with us than we are with KC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 I actually think Frazier would be a good hire for them. Heās steady and with their oddball HC, they could use a serious if not boring presence sometimesĀ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Defense Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Frazier's defenses were the best overall in the league during his tenure in Buffalo--what Bills' fans can possibly think he would not make a huge positive difference for the fish's defense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattlinBill Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 I'm confused, so when he was here he was horrible and the fans wanted him gone but now that Miami is interested in him he is good again? Must have learned a lot during that year off... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 13 hours ago, Steptide said: I think fraiser takes alot of unnecessary flack. I know he was super frustrating at times, but the outcome this year was no different without him it kinda was,Ā Frazier never dealt with all these injuries and D still gave the O a chance, down a fg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAinLack. Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 14 hours ago, Roundybout said: Please god yesĀ Ā 14 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Ā No disrespect to Leslie but maybe we can hang 70 on them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, BattlinBill said: I'm confused, so when he was here he was horrible and the fans wanted him gone but now that Miami is interested in him he is good again? Must have learned a lot during that year off... Ā He was never horrible. He was really good for the Bills.Ā 14 hours ago, Nextmanup said: The story was that he needed a year off and was planning to come back in 2024.... Ā If he left on his own accord and is welcome in Buffalo, why isn't he coming to Buffalo? Why is he looking for a job in Miami? Ā Actually, this does disprove the theory. Ā IT was pure BS in the first place; can't imagine anyone actually believed it. Lots of fans don't have much experience in the corporate world. Ā Neither the Bills, nor Frazier, ever said he was coming back to Buffalo. Just that he had decided to take a year off but still wanted to coach beyond that. The chances he was ever coming back here after a year off were next to nil.Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 14 hours ago, Einstein said: The theory was that Frazier was done being a DC and would only accept a HC job. Ā The whole taking a year off thing was just code for fired-without-having-the-label-of-fired IMO. Aka, McDermott has such respect for Frazier that he allowed him to leave gracefully. Ā Whose theory was that? That was never what the Bills said. Or what Leslie said. Ā He wasn't fired he stepped down. I know that for a stone cold fact. What Brandon said in the presser, that when they took their week off in Feb and then came back Leslie said "I'm not coming back I want to take a year off" is absolutely true. What prompted that, you can speculate on. My thinking has always been that McDermott had decided to take a greater role in playcalling (either he was going to call the entire game or maybe he was going to do a Rex Ryan and call 3rd down and redzone or something) and Leslie decided that under those circumstances it was better for all concerned if he moved on. Ā Some people here created their own narrative that if he was really not fired presumably he'd be back after his year out but neither the Bills nor Frazier ever committed to that. They didn't totally shut the door, and to do so would have been foolish, but I know, again for a stone cold fact, that Leslie's belief when he stepped away was that would be the end of his stint in Buffalo.Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) 14 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Hope he is charging like $250k per interview ā¦ Some organizations: "Gladly, Mr. Frazier!" Other organizations: "How about a Zoom call?" Organizations from years ago: "Drive down, we'll give you a $10 Kwik Fill card. Ā And separate lunch checks, please." (Some unnamed owners were cheap!) * š Edited January 30 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 With the relentless hunt for quality coaching, especially in the Rooney Rule era, Iām frankly a bit shocked we havenāt heard his name mentioned way more often in the past few weeks.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 16 hours ago, Steptide said: I think fraiser takes alot of unnecessary flack. I know he was super frustrating at times, but the outcome this year was no different without him Maybe the issue is lack of talent and not coaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Captain Hindsight Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 2 hours ago, BattlinBill said: I'm confused, so when he was here he was horrible and the fans wanted him gone but now that Miami is interested in him he is good again? Must have learned a lot during that year off... I never thought he was horrible, but I also thought it might be time for a new approach. That's pretty much how I feel with McDermott 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 17 hours ago, Roundybout said: Wonder how that will help a guy like Chubb who shined in the OLB role.Ā Chubb will be mostly recorering next year.Ā ACL if I recall correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 That's the thing with the Rooney rule: hard to know if the Fish are serious or just want to satisfy the quota... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) 17 hours ago, BobBelcher said: Babich...Frazier...seems Dolphins are more obsessed with us than we are with KC. Ā Well....under McDaniel, we are the immediate roadblock to their playoff dreams.Ā 20 hours ago, Bruffalo said: I know people are gonna joke here, but I don't want a DC in the division who knows Allen that well and can tell McDaniels about what he expects McDermott to do.Ā Ā Ā What makes you think Frazier knows Allen that well?Ā The defensive coaches are not generally studying our own offense.Ā They're watching film of our next opponent's defense, and leading practice against a scout team simulating that defense.Ā I don't think they have a lot of time or spend a lot of time studying our own offensive tendencies. Ā As far as McDermott, I don't follow this myself, but people who do have said there are only a few times in their 6 years when McDermott took over playcalling from Frazier.Ā Frazier knows the defense well, but do those few times actually give him more insight than watching 2023 game film? Ā Ā Edited January 30 by Beck Water 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 That'll make the Dolphins much better, especially against the Bills. Ā Hope they don't hire him š 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: He wasn't fired he stepped down. I know that for a stone cold fact. Ā Youāve mentioned this before but youāve never told us how you know it for a stone cold fact. Do you personally know Leslie? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Grid Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 18 hours ago, Steptide said: I think fraiser takes alot of unnecessary flack. I know he was super frustrating at times, but the outcome this year was no different without him Iād add one big caveatā¦.Frazier with almost perfectly healthy teams came up short every time from having his D make an impact in the playoffs. Ā This year, Bills had a D riddled with critical injuries and the result was the same. Ā Ā There would be no 13 second let down if Frazier had been without his two starting LBs, his best CB and numerous critical backups. Ā It wouldāve been the game the Bills scored 30 something and the chiefs dropped 50 on them. Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasNootz Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 I'm much more concerned with Babich going there than Frazier.Ā Ā Babich should be made DC, even if only in title. Ā 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man with No Name Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 33 minutes ago, Einstein said: Ā Youāve mentioned this before but youāve never told us how you know it for a stone cold fact. Do you personally know Leslie? maybe he stepped down, but was given a nudge in that direction. ie: "you are still the d coordinator, but I am calling the plays next year."Ā that's the most likely scenario in the mind of random board poster Man with no name, if it's true that he stepped down.Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Man with No Name said: maybe he stepped down, but was given a nudge in that direction. ie: "you are still the d coordinator, but I am calling the plays next year."Ā that's the most likely scenario in the mind of random board poster Man with no name, if it's true that he stepped down.Ā Ā I think that is the most likely scenario too. I don't know that is how it went down, but it feels the most likely reason Leslie would essentially resign.Ā Edited January 30 by GunnerBill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co_springs_billsfan Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 This potentially raises Miami's floor, but does not help with their ceiling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) I've always wanted to see Josh Allen against a McDermott/Frazier defense Ā Maybe I will get the chanceĀ Ā Could actually be a nail in McDermott's coffin if it fails horribly and Allen puts up historic numbers against it Edited January 30 by Cheektowaga Chad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) 1 hour ago, DC Grid said: Iād add one big caveatā¦.Frazier with almost perfectly healthy teams came up short every time from having his D make an impact in the playoffs. Ā This year, Bills had a D riddled with critical injuries and the result was the same. Ā Ā There would be no 13 second let down if Frazier had been without his two starting LBs, his best CB and numerous critical backups. Ā It wouldāve been the game the Bills scored 30 something and the chiefs dropped 50 on them. Ā Ā Where did you get the idea "Frazier with almost perfectly healthy teams" came up short? Ā Last season of course we were missing Von Miller after T'Giving.Ā Our starting DT's vs the Bengals were Tim Settle and Eli Ankou.Ā Ed Oliver and Jordan Phillips were playing in a brace - Phillips needed post- season surgery.Ā Da'Quan Jones was out.Ā In the backfield, Marlow and Jaquan Johnson was playing for Hamlin who was playing for Hyde, so 3rd string.Ā Elam was playing for Benford across from Dane Jackson. Ā I'm not saying this to make excuse -the team sucked that day - but it's simply not true that we were "almost perfectly healthy" on D in playoffs for Frazier. Edited January 30 by Beck Water 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 I have a love hate relationship with the rooney rule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 2 hours ago, BigDingus said: That'll make the Dolphins much better, especially against the Bills. Ā Hope they don't hire him š Ā That's what they said about Fangio too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 20 hours ago, Roundybout said: Please god yesĀ Why would you want the Fish to upgrade from Fangio? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 19 hours ago, Nextmanup said: The story was that he needed a year off and was planning to come back in 2024.... Ā If he left on his own accord and is welcome in Buffalo, why isn't he coming to Buffalo? Why is he looking for a job in Miami? Ā Actually, this does disprove the theory. Ā IT was pure BS in the first place; can't imagine anyone actually believed it. Lots of fans don't have much experience in the corporate world. Ā Ā Ā Ā Typically a coach taking a year off is a sign they want out....when have you ever seen a coach take a year off and come back to the same team...see Sean Payton.Ā Ā Again this proves nothing. My guess is still that he chose to leave. The Bills wouldn't have waited so long to fire him.Ā Ā He decided he wanted out, all the coaching vacancies were filled. So he took a year off let his contract expire and then started looking for new opportunities this offseason.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 11 minutes ago, Beast said: Why would you want the Fish to upgrade from Fangio? I would like them having a coach that we know very well and we know isnāt that aggressive.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerstAusGosheim Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 20 hours ago, Back2Buff said: Ā I dont think we make the playoffs if Frazier is the DC.Ā The D was more aggressive this year which lead to turnovers that won us games, when the offense left the D for dead. Sean's D gave up 3-game winning drives that ended up in losses and almost lost to the Giants as well. His aggressiveness backfired at times. 2 hours ago, DC Grid said: Frazier with almost perfectly healthy teamsĀ In 2022, Leslie Frazierās top ranked D went 13-3 missing the following players... Ā Micah Hyde - 15 games Tre White - 11 games Von Miller - 8 Games Christian Benford - 7 games Damar Hamlin - 5 games Jordan Phillips - 4 games Jordan Poyer - 4 Games Gregory Rousseau - 3 Games Tremain Edmunds - 2 Games Ed Oliver - 2 Games Daquan Jones - 1 Game (Bengals Playoff!) Boogie Basham - 1 Game Dane Jackson - 1 Game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasNootz Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 2 hours ago, DasNootz said: I'm much more concerned with Babich going there than Frazier.Ā Ā Babich should be made DC, even if only in title. Ā Obviously Beane and Pegula read this board. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Aside from the nonsense about Frazier not being fired by the Bills and deciding to 'take a year off', I really don't understand this move by the Dolphins if he does get hired. Ā Seems a bit desperate by McDaniel especially if they think he's going to help solve the Josh Allen puzzle because of his intimate knowledge of the Bills organization. But that's just it, even though the Dolphins have made the playoffs the last 2 years I can see them firing McDaniel if they don't win the division in 2024 and/or make a deeper postseason run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 With Frazier, you know what you're getting.Ā The Dolphins will get a quality defense that is sold on zone and hates blitzing.Ā In the modern NFL, there are ways for quality offenses with smart offensive coordinators and great QBs to beat a Frazier defense.Ā Ultimately, I think that's why the Bills decided to move on from Frazier.Ā Yes, McDermott is primarily a zone defense guy, but he understands the need to vary what you do in order to keep offenses off balance.Ā That's also why I don't worry about Buffalo facing a defense where Frazier is in charge.Ā Buffalo will know what they are facing and how to combat it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Has Frazier interviewed with the giants?Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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