Roundybout Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 minute ago, KDIGGZ said: Maybe Von should retire and take up painting! I want a buddy cop show where Von learns painting with George W. Bush 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly McButterpants Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, Allen2Diggs said: Daquan Jones He's overlooked because of being primarily a run defender, but he is always doubled and frees up linebackers to make plays. He's what Star Lotulelei was supposed to be. Agreed, but also invisible last Sunday 😞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, Brandon said: Mario Williams was the closest they've had to that since the 90s. A truly dominant, disruptive pass rusher is the hardest thing to find with the exception of QB. It's not impossible to find one outside the top 10 picks, but the odds are definitely stacked against you. Greg Rousseau definitely isn't at that level, but the Bills are damn lucky he's as good as he is. I hope 5 sacks a year isn't "as good as he is"...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said: I hope 5 sacks a year isn't "as good as he is"...... I think he had a foot injury for awhile this year. Regardless, 6-8 per year is about what I'd expect of a 'good' LDE and I think Rousseau will likely average in that range yearly until age and injuries become a long term factor. That 20-32 area tends to be fool's gold when it comes to DE. Not always, but too many of them never do anything. I'm just glad Rousseau has been a productive starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 All of the mario williams answers are wrong. He got bullied when games mattered. 2 hours ago, LarryMadman said: Aaron Schobel This is the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 I would say Mario Williams was the last great one, at least in terms of pass rush prowess. Defensive line as a whole has been a true enigma for this team in recent years, and another reason that McD's failures should be magnified even more: -Oliver: Lived up to the contract but completely invisible when it mattered most against the Chiefs -Miller: Started off last year strong but his injury rendered 2023 a wasted season. Ironically was really the only guy that showed up against Chiefs though. -Rouseau: Injuries have been an issue for him. Seems to be following Shaq Lawson trajectory as a great run defender but bust as a pass rusher which is what he was drafted for. -AJE: Has emerged as a solid rotational piece, but injury also slowed him down in 2nd half of season and likely going to get bigger deal elswhere in FA -Floyd: Was great in the first half of season but only had one sack in final 8 games including playoffs. -Jones: Has shown pass rush prowess but also has had injury history and didn't deliver when needed in playoffs either. Other than that expect more musical chairs with some of these other guys in the offseason, including Lawson and Phillips who it's probably time to move on from once and for all too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, st pete gogolak said: Name Impact Play #2 from Kelsey. I didn’t say he had any. He was a fine rotation DE, that the Bills tried to make an every down starter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babulator Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Mario Williams remains one of the most confusing Bills enigma's to me ever. Just the most physically impressive and dominant man "when" he felt like playing. I mean he could just manhandle grown a$$ men around like nothing. Yes, Bruce was the best, but Mario was just a completely physically imposing man, when he wasn't checked out. If we think Von's invisibility stints were bad, just remember watching Mario standing around play after play doing absolutely nothing. I don't think I've ever seen it before or since, completely checked out, standing around. I still have nightmares of watching him drop back into coverage too ??? WTF was happening.... like the twilight zone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PonyBoy Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 3 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said: I know you are joking, but his tipped pass INT of Romo on MNF is still one of the most athletic plays I've ever seen a DL make Your post made me look up replay. Agree. Also realized we had John its not delivery, it's DiGiorgio on the team 😀 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessImproverMan Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Aaron Schobel. Multiple pro bowler, had a significant games played/started streak, put up consistent sack numbers, and sacked Brady the most out of any player. Dude was the definition of a high motor impactful player that was largely underappreciated during the drought era. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haslett_Stomp Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) BRUCE !!! Edited January 26 by Haslett_Stomp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) 4 hours ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: Mario Williams is probably the most talented guy from the last 20 years with Kyle following up. Mario/Kyle Williams is spot on. Maybe Schobel? Could add Jerry but I don’t think you can classify him as “great”. Edited January 26 by BBFL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Aurelius Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 This guy ... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somnus00 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 4 hours ago, Maybe Someday said: Chris Kelsay Always loved the move when he would sprint 10 yards down the field, then, with the grace and agility of a row boat, would turn around to start rushing the QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, babulator said: Mario Williams remains one of the most confusing Bills enigma's to me ever. Just the most physically impressive and dominant man "when" he felt like playing. I mean he could just manhandle grown a$$ men around like nothing. Yes, Bruce was the best, but Mario was just a completely physically imposing man, when he wasn't checked out. If we think Von's invisibility stints were bad, just remember watching Mario standing around play after play doing absolutely nothing. I don't think I've ever seen it before or since, completely checked out, standing around. I still have nightmares of watching him drop back into coverage too ??? WTF was happening.... like the twilight zone. My memories of Mario Williams are tainted by the last 2 years here where he fell off a cliff in quality and became mostly irrelevant. The first 2 seasons he could be incredible in games and dominate. Dareus was a bust, Schoebel and Kyle Williams were pretty solid. Nothing compares to Bruce though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Pat or Kyle Williams. We haven't had a dominant DE in like 20 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par73 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Ted Washington and Pat Williams were a great interior duo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Kyle Williams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 3 hours ago, Marcus Aurelius said: This guy ... Best DT of his era, Knees gave out at the same time the Bills fell apart in the late 60's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 KYLE WILLIAMS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 I've been wanting a premier pass rusher in his prime soooooo bad for decades now...that is one of the most important championship pieces after getting the QB. Imagine our Defense with a TJ Watt, Nick Bosa or Aidan Hutchinson...BAD THINGS MAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaenon Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Von Miller did have 8 sacks in 10 games last season before tearing his ACL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 SAM ADAMS!!! He was a beast. I know Mario got the sacks, but Ted Washington and Sam Adams were terrors! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) Seeing these names like Jones and Schobel makes me wonder if people even understand what an impact guy looks like. AJ's performance against Jacksonville is what it looks like. A defensive lineman who literally alters the course of game perhaps even multiple times. Schobel had good stats but he's not wrecking a game like that. Probably the last guy who could do it was Mario. Edited January 27 by Mikie2times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 I'll throw in Sam Adams and Ted Washington. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Von Miller pre ACL injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El_diablo Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Mount Washington 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) I feel like in today's NFL it's a mistake to invest too heavily in DL. Elite offenses can almost totally neutralize pass rush either through scheming and releasing the ball in under 2.5 seconds(Purdy, Burrow, Tua) or just having an elusive QB that can extend plays with their legs(Allen, Mahomes, Lamar). Look how our divisional rounds ended the last 2 years. Burrow carved us up like a surgeon last year. This year neither Allen or Mahomes were sacked as both QBs simply avoided any pressure either used their legs or in Mahome's case ripped off huge chunk plays. Good DL will manhandle average teams but when facing the top of the top, they become ineffective. The positions are still important moreso for the sake of run defense IMO but in the Bills case we have guys on the edge who like to over pursue the QB and often leave huge openings to the outside. Mahomes, Pacheco and Edwards-Helaire each had 20+ yd runs against us last week. If the Bills take DL too early in this next draft that would be a critical mistake IMO. Recent history has proven it doesn't matter how much you invest in those positions, their is huge diminishing returns when you face elite offenses in this league. Edited January 27 by Lost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 22 hours ago, Maybe Someday said: Chris Kelsay Lol lunch pail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 22 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Mario Williams was the last truly elite game changer we had up front. I think Ed was pretty close this past year. Yes Sunday was not a good game for him, but I have confidence he will build again next season. Thuney had a 99.1 percent win rate this season, so I can’t really fault Ed. Thuney was off-the-charts good this season. The bigger question posed by a very close friend who is a diehard Pats fan (going back to the Grogan/Sam Bam Cunningham days) is why Belichick let him go. Yet another terrible personnel decision by BB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 11 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Thuney had a 99.1 percent win rate this season, so I can’t really fault Ed. Thuney was off-the-charts good this season. The bigger question posed by a very close friend who is a diehard Pats fan (going back to the Grogan/Sam Bam Cunningham days) is why Belichick let him go. Yet another terrible personnel decision by BB. And just our luck he is out for tomorrow. Typical. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 21 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Thuney had a 99.1 percent win rate this season, so I can’t really fault Ed. Thuney was off-the-charts good this season. The bigger question posed by a very close friend who is a diehard Pats fan (going back to the Grogan/Sam Bam Cunningham days) is why Belichick let him go. Yet another terrible personnel decision by BB. I fault Ed. It’s understandable, but like they say, you want to be a star, you gotta give me a star effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 22 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: Aaron Maybin! Most talented painter we've ever seen on the Bills DL How embarrassing was that pick? OBD was so inept, they didn’t even realize he could get on the field for 3rd Downs… because he was so ***** light! Arakpo, Cushing, Jenkins, Maclin, Harvin, Clay Mathews & A Davis all came immediately after! I cringe when that name comes up associated with that buffoon Head Office! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 23 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Mario Williams was the last truly elite game changer we had up front. I think Ed was pretty close this past year. Yes Sunday was not a good game for him, but I have confidence he will build again next season. Oliver strikes me as mediocre and a bust, overall. Despite his best season of his career this past year. How about Ted Washington? I'll add him to the list of good ones since Bruce. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 minute ago, Nextmanup said: Oliver strikes me as mediocre and a bust, overall. Despite his best season of his career this past year. How about Ted Washington? I'll add him to the list of good ones since Bruce. He isn't mediocre. Or a bust. If he strikes you as that, that is a you problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 The one and only Ted Washington. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wonderful Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 23 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: Aaron Maybin! Most talented painter we've ever seen on the Bills DL Ha ha. The Buffalo News did a feature on his "art work" several years ago. Garbage in my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Bruce Smith #1 Tom Sestak behind Bruce Ted Washington behind Sestak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Stadium Original Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 2 hours ago, Lost said: I feel like in today's NFL it's a mistake to invest too heavily in DL. Elite offenses can almost totally neutralize pass rush either through scheming and releasing the ball in under 2.5 seconds(Purdy, Burrow, Tua) or just having an elusive QB that can extend plays with their legs(Allen, Mahomes, Lamar). Look how our divisional rounds ended the last 2 years. Burrow carved us up like a surgeon last year. This year neither Allen or Mahomes were sacked as both QBs simply avoided any pressure either used their legs or in Mahome's case ripped off huge chunk plays. Good DL will manhandle average teams but when facing the top of the top, they become ineffective. The positions are still important moreso for the sake of run defense IMO but in the Bills case we have guys on the edge who like to over pursue the QB and often leave huge openings to the outside. Mahomes, Pacheco and Edwards-Helaire each had 20+ yd runs against us last week. If the Bills take DL too early in this next draft that would be a critical mistake IMO. Recent history has proven it doesn't matter how much you invest in those positions, their is huge diminishing returns when you face elite offenses in this league. Just curious, then ...do you think Detroit wasted a 2nd overall pick on Hutchinson, and he is NOT one of the main reasons Detroit is in NFC championship game? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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