Buffalo_Stampede Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 I typically do the 3 count and I didn’t get to the 3 count. No catch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 3 hours ago, Virgil said: I wish I could agree. He didn’t make the football move Tucking it is a football move. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 3 hours ago, Special K said: Two steps and a football move! If it was called a fumble on the field like it should have been, there would be no way the booth would overturn it. The last of a series of biased calls in favor of the Eagles throughout the game!! From start to finish Hercules Jr and his crew absolutely screwed the Bills. The first half was legendary. No one will be fired or suspended. No apologies, just business as usual for the shield. 3 1 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 2 hours ago, peterpan said: Diggs had a catch/fumble they also ruled incomplete. He had possession on his knees. Down by contact as soon as he is touched, The defender should not then be able to punch it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 4 hours ago, JESSEFEFFER said: Tucking it is a football move. correct a. secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and b. touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and c. after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so. 4 hours ago, JESSEFEFFER said: He had possession on his knees. Down by contact as soon as he is touched, The defender should not then be able to punch it out. Also correct. That should have been a catch and down by contact. That was ruled the opposite way against us in another game. I cant remember the game but I remember we punched out the ball immediately but the ref ruled forward progress or some crap but should have said down by contact instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Scott7975 said: correct a. secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and b. touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and c. after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so. The 2nd law of thermodynamics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Looked incomplete to me. Plenty of other officiating problems, though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 I just loved how it was initially ruled a fumble and changed to incomplete within 30secs. Broken league... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) IF THAT PLAY WAS A BILLs WR, ITS A FUMBLE! IF ITS A BILLS DEFENDER, NO CATCH! FU REFs, YOU HAVE MADE TICKY TACK CALLS THAT BURNED THE BILLS IN EVERY LOSS THIS SEASON Edited November 27, 2023 by Pete 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeLLy1278 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 4 hours ago, Pete said: IF THAT PLAY WAS A BILLs WR, ITS A FUMBLE! IF ITS A BILLS DEFENDER, NO CATCH! FU REFs, YOU HAVE MADE TICKY TACK CALLS THAT BURNED THE BILLS IN EVERY LOSS THIS SEASON The NFL is rigged so why do you watch it? You put money in their pockets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 The exact same thing happened in the 8pm game. Fumble. Makes me ***** insane. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetzGoBuffalo Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 14 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: Never caught the ball. Stop it Watch it again, are you blind? He tucked the ball away, had 2 steps and a turn towards the upfield direction. Definition of a catch and fumble. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Could’ve been ruled either way…that was far from the most controversial call of that game lol 10 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: From start to finish Hercules Jr and his crew absolutely screwed the Bills. The first half was legendary. No one will be fired or suspended. No apologies, just business as usual for the shield. I understand we had our chances to win and blew them but that game isn’t even close if the officiating was a little more even in the first half. I’ve never seen anything like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Definitely not a catch. Too quick! needed another second or another step. That was one of the few calls that trainwreck crew got right. So many bad calls, phantom calls and outright missed calls. I think it could be the worst officiated game I've ever seen (and that includes penalties that were awarded to Philly as well). I also think that the NFL needs to have the eye in the sky call penalties off the ball. That dirty hit on Diggs after the TD was WWE style blind from the officials. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 hour ago, LetzGoBuffalo said: Watch it again, are you blind? He tucked the ball away, had 2 steps and a turn towards the upfield direction. Definition of a catch and fumble. Time to see the eye doctor. Stop reaching 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 19 hours ago, Wizard said: Sure. This has more to do though with a swiss cheese 2nd half defense, a crappy field goal kicker, and a HC over his head. To be fair - had that been a fumble and recovery we win the game and we are all talking about how heads up poyer was there to strip it and win the game whcih should have been the case becuase it was clearly a fumble twobfeet down fumble ball game over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Nice hot take, the exclamation points are a dead giveaway of a fan-biased hot take. It was an incomplete pass all day. 3 minutes ago, Drew21PA said: twobfeet down fumble ball game over Only if that was the rule it would be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 So if he got tackled on the spot then it's a catch, but if he gets it punched out on that same spot it's incomplete. Like I get it but at the same time it just confuses what a catch is and is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Football move? What other kind of move would they do...baseball? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Can anyone put the Brown and K Allen plays up together? Interested to do a side by side comparison. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said: So if he got tackled on the spot then it's a catch, but if he gets it punched out on that same spot it's incomplete. Like I get it but at the same time it just confuses what a catch is and is not. Apparently now there’s a 3 second rule or something according to posters here. What I don’t get is does that apply if you catch it and fall down? Like do you have to fall really slow to reach the required made up time? Bills got screwed. Think the league cares? Nope. They just been giving calls to the opposition for decades now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 He had two feet down, the ball was tucked, and he took a third step. It was by rule a catch. The Refs are terrible, you have to know that going into a game. That said, you have to win in spite of it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 26 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: He had two feet down, the ball was tucked, and he took a third step. It was by rule a catch. The Refs are terrible, you have to know that going into a game. That said, you have to win in spite of it. Unfortunately, that was their opportunity to win. Keenan Allen, same play last night. Ruled fumble. McCauley explained it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanislebills44 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 im on the fence with that play, if u catch the ball and bring it into your body, that 'seems' 2 me 2 appear as possession, yet a football move??? probably not, but who defines a football move?? shoulda never came to that play anyways... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Coot Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 20 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said: need three feet down before it’s a fumble. How many three-footed receivers are there in the NFL? Seriously, I watched the play a ton of times and it's difficult to tell whether it's a fumble or an incomplete pass. Rules say if there is doubt call it incomplete. Why do we have the two feet down plus a football move? Is the two feet down rule for sideline catches? If so, I'd have a special rule for those catches and a simple rule that if it's a catch then it's a fumble without the two feet plaus a football move complication. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlbills13 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 I wouldn't have called it a catch but I guarantee they would have called it a catch if he caught it in the endzone for a TD (rendering the proceeding fumble irrelevant). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, stlbills13 said: I wouldn't have called it a catch but I guarantee they would have called it a catch if he caught it in the endzone for a TD (rendering the proceeding fumble irrelevant). Interesting take. You might be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PayDaBill$ Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) Even through Bills colored glasses it is was an incomplete pass especially based on the current rules. If you ask me the entire catch no catch BS is so convoluted. It really needs to be updated and simplified. Edited November 28, 2023 by PayDaBill$ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 It used to be two hands and a football move. The ball stops in both of his hands (control) and he starts to turn up the field. That time has seemingly gotten longer and longer over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Applicable Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 I thought he never had possession. Seeing an identical play in the Sunday night game actually get called a fumble irked me, though. There's no consistency. If you need to complete the catch, why was that 3rd down conversion on Denver's last drive against us not only counted as a completion, but ruled forward progress when the ball (almost immediately) came out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theAteam Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 He started tucking it which to me says he has control. But I can see why they went the other way with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 Did I want it to be a fumble, yes. Was it a fumble, it was right on the line of fumble/incomplete. Blowing it dead removed all possibility of it being questioned by review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 He caught the ball over his head and it got knocked out at his waist. It’s a catch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 On 11/27/2023 at 12:08 AM, Punch said: I think the distinction here is that in the Chargers game, the ruling on the field was a fumble. In our game the ruling on the field was an incomplete pass. In both cases it was close enough either way that the play was unlikely to be overruled. For conspiracy theorists, compare that to the last drive in regulation where the officials ruled a fumble on Hurts that was (rightfully) reversed to an incomplete pass. The announcers were complimentary of the refs for having let the play go on and NOT blow the whistle knowing that it would be reviewed and overturned if need be. Conversely, with Brown's catch-no catch, they did NOT do the same thing. The former was very clearly going to be over-turned, whereas the latter's call would have probably stood either way. Hmmm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 I’d be more enraged if the exact same thing did not happen on a Diggs catch the prior possession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 On 11/27/2023 at 1:41 PM, Dan said: Apparently now there’s a 3 second rule or something according to posters here. What I don’t get is does that apply if you catch it and fall down? Like do you have to fall really slow to reach the required made up time? Bills got screwed. Think the league cares? Nope. They just been giving calls to the opposition for decades now. The league doesn't care. We're a very small market team that's relatively inconsequential to the shields greater objectives. Not even the marketing of JA seems to help anymore. We'll always be chasing calls v the blue bloods. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 The broadcast rules expert, forget which one, said they like to see a third step. Two feet down and then a complete step. He may be totally correct in the way they want to call it but that is not the way the rule is written. Scott7975 had the language of the rule posted up thread. c. after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so. That's 6 equal examples given as acts common to the game but game officials only want to see the third step? It's like counting to three is the only judgement they are willing to make. The ball was clearly brought to the tuck position. Any talk of a minimum time element is irrelevant to the application of the rule. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 23 hours ago, jkeerie said: Unfortunately, that was their opportunity to win. Keenan Allen, same play last night. Ruled fumble. McCauley explained it. And there in lies the problem with human officiating, it's all in eye of the beholder and not everyone sees and analyzing things the same. There should be some accountability and more than red flags which can only called in certain plays. All plays should be reviewable imo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 26 minutes ago, 2003Contenders said: I think the distinction here is that in the Chargers game, the ruling on the field was a fumble. In our game the ruling on the field was an incomplete pass. In both cases it was close enough either way that the play was unlikely to be overruled. For conspiracy theorists, compare that to the last drive in regulation where the officials ruled a fumble on Hurts that was (rightfully) reversed to an incomplete pass. The announcers were complimentary of the refs for having let the play go on and NOT blow the whistle knowing that it would be reviewed and overturned if need be. Conversely, with Brown's catch-no catch, they did NOT do the same thing. The former was very clearly going to be over-turned, whereas the latter's call would have probably stood either way. Hmmm. The ruling in the Bills Eagles game was a fumble. The difference is the chargers receiver tucked the ball and moved forward before fumbling. Brown was just completing the tuck when it came out. They are different in my eyes 11 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said: The broadcast rules expert, forget which one, said they like to see a third step. Two feet down and then a complete step. He may be totally correct in the way they want to call it but that is not the way the rule is written. Scott7975 had the language of the rule posted up thread. c. after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so. That's 6 equal examples given as acts common to the game but game officials only want to see the third step? It's like counting to three is the only judgement they are willing to make. The ball was clearly brought to the tuck position. Any talk of a minimum time element is irrelevant to the application of the rule. I must have listened to a a different broadcast. A third step is one of the things that would make it a catch that did not happen. He was not saying he has to see a third step or else its not a catch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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