The AJ Brown OT catch was a fumble!!!!

[BananaB]

The ball went from above his head to his waist without moving then got knocked out. That’s an easy call in my opinion 

[peterpan]

36 minutes ago, Virgil said:

I wish I could agree.  He didn’t make the football move 

Catching the ball at your eyes and bringing it down to your belly, turning and looking up field.

 

- that’s a football move 

Same thing happened twice in Michigan OSU Saturday, both times ruled a fumble 

[Motorin']

49 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

Never caught the ball.    Stop it 

 

He did take two steps and tuck the ball under one arm. Is the act of tucking the ball away a "football move" or not?

[CapeBreton]

I’m watching the Chargers - Ravens game; and Keenan Allen just caught the ball and fumbled it. It was very similar to the AJ Brown non fumble wtf? 

[LarryMadman]

Wow, the Ravens just recovered a fumble and Terry McCauley sp said he had 2 feet down and made a move, confirmed a fumble. The dude today said he didn't have 3 feet down, that was BS

[strive_for_five_guy]

Just now, LarryMadman said:

Wow, the Ravens just recovered a fumble and Terry McCauley sp said he had 2 feet down and made a move, confirmed a fumble. The dude today said he didn't have 3 feet down, that was BS

Right, against the Bills, need three feet down before it’s a fumble.

[Dan in Owego]

55 minutes ago, KeLLy1278 said:

Classic loser thread blaming refs, finger pointing all over the place.  Good call, bad call, decent call, warm call, cold call….. blind ref, rigged game…. Yap yap yap.

 

Bills lost to a better team.  Gossip won’t change a thing.

To a better team🤔 not the game i watched.

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

Either call would have been both right and wrong.

Glad they didn't let a call decide the game. 🤷‍♂️

BUT they did let a call decide the game. 

[peterpan]

14 minutes ago, CapeBreton said:

I’m watching the Chargers - Ravens game; and Keenan Allen just caught the ball and fumbled it. It was very similar to the AJ Brown non fumble wtf? 

Diggs had a catch/fumble they also ruled incomplete. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

33 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

Too quick! He needed another step and that's a fumble. But there was no way we were getting that call because:

 

1. The officiating crew was obviously incompetent

2. The officiating crew was obviously bias for Philadelphia

3. Mean Gene Steratore put his instant opinion in and he is NEVER WRONG and obviously influences the decisions in NY on these calls

4. The Bills never get that call in any decade ever!

Yup! Because Stratton called the trip in Jets game. 

 

They weren't going there again.

[Dr.Sack]

Horrible calls but McD defense crumbled like we knew it would. 

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

Either call would have been both right and wrong.

Glad they didn't let a call decide the game. 🤷‍♂️

No, they let multiple calls decide a game.  The bills should have been up by at least 20 going into the half and had egregious calls against them over and over.  

 

For some reason, they stopped after the half.

[Steptide]

Brown Coulda taken 5 steps and they still woulda called it incomplete. They wanted their sexy ending. Side note, I saw almost the exact same thing happen in the syracuse game yesterday and it was called a fumble. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

Where's the video of it?

6 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

Horrible calls but McD defense crumbled like we knew it would. 

Yeah... But after the bad calls.

 

Of course it makes people crumble, do horrible things.

 

Get treated horribly and it wears you down psychologically. 

How much of this ***** do we have to take before we crack!

 

They get what they want. They broke us. 

[Sherlock Holmes]

1 hour ago, Special K said:

Two steps and a football move!

 

If it was called a fumble on the field like it should have been, there would be no way the booth would overturn it.

 

The last of a series of biased calls in favor of the Eagles throughout the game!!

It's only a fumble if we were the ones it happened to.

[billsbackto81]

1 hour ago, KeLLy1278 said:

Classic loser thread blaming refs, finger pointing all over the place.  Good call, bad call, decent call, warm call, cold call….. blind ref, rigged game…. Yap yap yap.

 

Bills lost to a better team.  Gossip won’t change a thing.

Personally , I didn't think it was a fumble but wished it was. I agree that crying doesn't change a thing and the narrative will be that Bills fans are sore losers, and that's fine.

 

But if you really think the refs had no impact on the game and we lost to the better team then nobody should bother trying to make you see what everyone else did this game. 

[KeLLy1278]

28 minutes ago, Dan in Owego said:

To a better team🤔 not the game i watched.

A single game decides who the better team is?  Have you paid attention to the season? 
The Bills lost anyway.  Why couldn’t Josh connect on. Touchdown pass in the end zone in OT?  Him and the receiver were not on the same page.  You have to make your own breaks and earn it.. not cry about refs this refs that.  Sometimes great teams and great players get favoritism.  Welcome to pro sports.  Would you complain if the Bills won a playoff game or a Super Bowl on a blown call?  No, you wouldn’t care.  Only losing teams care.  Winning teams laugh.

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said:

Never caught the ball.    Stop it 

Yeah there is plenty to complain about the refs but there are a lot of fans who just cannot be Objective.  

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, KeLLy1278 said:

Classic loser thread blaming refs, finger pointing all over the place.  Good call, bad call, decent call, warm call, cold call….. blind ref, rigged game…. Yap yap yap.

 

Bills lost to a better team.  Gossip won’t change a thing.

I don’t think they lost to a better team today; at least that’s not what I saw. I did see them lose to a better coach today, and I credit them for it. The officiating was bad , but that’s to be expected these days. 

[Budkin]

Thought so at first but he barely took 2 steps. They got lucky and we didn’t. As usual. 

[Dan in Owego]

1 minute ago, KeLLy1278 said:

A single game decides who the better team is?  Have you paid attention to the season? 
The Bills lost anyway.  Why couldn’t Josh connect on. Touchdown pass in the end zone in OT?  Him and the receiver were not on the same page.  You have to make your own breaks and earn it.. not cry about refs this refs that.  Sometimes great teams and great players get favoritism.  Welcome to pro sports.  Would you complain if the Bills won a playoff game or a Super Bowl on a blown call?  No, you wouldn’t care.  Only losing teams care.  Winning teams laugh.

Listen the Bills were the better team, don't tell me how to feel or care that was joke of an officiated game and a joke of a defensive mastermind at the end. Is Josh not a star??? horse collar Tommy boy like that and the flags would fly, but that aside our offense left the field with a lead after two missed field goals and an improbable 59 yard boot and all the Eagles are great players lmao.

[KeLLy1278]

2 minutes ago, Dan in Owego said:

Listen the Bills were the better team, don't tell me how to feel or care that was joke of an officiated game and a joke of a defensive mastermind at the end. Is Josh not a star??? horse collar Tommy boy like that and the flags would fly, but that aside our offense left the field with a lead after two missed field goals and an improbable 59 yard boot and all the Eagles are great players lmao.

Your post is all over the place.  You’re rambling.  The Bills were the better team today, ok.  So let me guess, either the game was rigged or the refs were blind and deaf?

This is the mantra?  The NFL will never allow the Bills to win a SB?  Is that it?  If that is the case then why in the world do you support the brand by giving the league higher television ratings?  You love supporting what you hate? 

[Dan in Owego]

6 minutes ago, KeLLy1278 said:

Your post is all over the place.  You’re rambling.  The Bills were the better team today, ok.  So let me guess, either the game was rigged or the refs were blind and deaf?

This is the mantra?  The NFL will never allow the Bills to win a SB?  Is that it?  If that is the case then why in the world do you support the brand by giving the league higher television ratings?  You love supporting what you hate? 

WOOH how are my posts all over the place? Have you never watched a game where one team outplayed the other and lost? Had 11's catch and fumble be ruled as such would you say the Eagles were the better team on the field today?

2 minutes ago, Dan in Owego said:

WOOH how are my posts all over the place? Have you never watched a game where one team outplayed the other and lost? Had 11's catch and fumble be ruled as such would you say the Eagles were the better team on the field today?

 And by the way you come off as a classic *******👍

Edited November 27, 2023 by Dan in Owego

[KeLLy1278]

Just now, Dan in Owego said:

WOOH how are my posts all over the place? Have you never watched a game where one team outplayed the other and lost? Had 11's catch and fumble be ruled as such would you say the Eagles were the better team on the field today?

I didn’t say your posts.  I said your post.  As in your last post which I was responding to at that point.

“The Bills were the better team.  Don’t tell me how to feel.  Tommy boy horsecollar, 59 yard field goal, the eagles are all great players.”  

Yeah.. I’d say that’s a rambling paragraph.  Who is telling you how to feel?  I merely said you wouldn’t care if the Bills won a SB on a blown call.  How is that telling you how you need to feel?  You can agree or disagree with the sentiment.  You throw Tom Brady into the mix somehow too.. I mean.. come on man it’s like you’re in agony.  I get it he was like 30-2 against the Bills but what does that have to do with 2023 and beyond?  Tom Brady is retired.. we don’t need to have nightmares about him anymore.  It’s over.  You need to figure out how to mention him after a game with Philadelphia? 

[Dan in Owego]

2 minutes ago, KeLLy1278 said:

I didn’t say your posts.  I said your post.  As in your last post which I was responding to at that point.

“The Bills were the better team.  Don’t tell me how to feel.  Tommy boy horsecollar, 59 yard field goal, the eagles are all great players.”  

Yeah.. I’d say that’s a rambling paragraph.  Who is telling you how to feel?  I merely said you wouldn’t care if the Bills won a SB on a blown call.  How is that telling you how you need to feel?  You can agree or disagree with the sentiment.  You throw Tom Brady into the mix somehow too.. I mean.. come on man it’s like you’re in agony.  I get it he was like 30-2 against the Bills but what does that have to do with 2023 and beyond?  Tom Brady is retired.. we don’t need to have nightmares about him anymore.  It’s over.  You need to figure out how to mention him after a game with Philadelphia? 

You don't get the Brady reference fine, tell me how you would feel with a game ending fumble?

[Ethan in Cleveland]

No football move. It was not a fumble

[KeLLy1278]

4 minutes ago, Dan in Owego said:

You don't get the Brady reference fine, tell me how you would feel with a game ending fumble?

You know what?  I have enough of these types of threads.  The whining and complaining never seems to stop. It’s always someone else’s fault.  We should pity the Bills for life.  I get it. Desperate for excuses like they change anything.  

Edited November 27, 2023 by KeLLy1278

[Dan in Owego]

1 minute ago, KeLLy1278 said:

You know what?  I have enough of these types of threads.  The whining and complaining never seems to stop. It’s always someone else’s fault.  We should pity the Bills for life.  I get it. Desperate for excuses like they change anything.  

Over the mark huh🤔

[BarleyNY]

I thought it was an incomplete pass too. I’m not by any stretch defending the zebras’ overall performance today (and I’m not one to B word about bad calls), but I think they got this one right. 

[Drew21PA]

McDermott lost the game with just stupid decisions

 

but yes the refs were definitively favoritive to the eagles and it was BAD 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

2 hours ago, Special K said:

Two steps and a football move!

 

If it was called a fumble on the field like it should have been, there would be no way the booth would overturn it.

 

The last of a series of biased calls in favor of the Eagles throughout the game!!

This was probably the worst officiating I ever seen in 40yrs watching football. The refs were cheating like they had big money on the game. The NFL needs to investigate this officiating crew 

[Bferra13]

2 hours ago, KeLLy1278 said:

Classic loser thread blaming refs, finger pointing all over the place.  Good call, bad call, decent call, warm call, cold call….. blind ref, rigged game…. Yap yap yap.

 

Bills lost to a better team.  Gossip won’t change a thing.

Bills beat themselves. That was not a better team.

[Special K]

2 hours ago, ChrisWatson#21 said:

Brown had it and the guy knocked it out of his hands that’s why Brown reacted asbit were a fumble.  

 

This is a good point.....even AJ Brown knew he fumbled the game away.

 

Sure the Bills made plenty of mistakes, any one of which contributed to losing the game, but that call right there would have ended the game.

 

I always thought the officials are are supposed to let the play “play out”, and let the replay booth sort it out.

 

If the officials did that in this case, the call of fumble would have stood as it would have been too close to overturn the call on the field. 

 

That is what should have happened, IMO.

 

 

 

[Dr.Sack]

If he wasn’t hit no doubt he re-grips the ball and runs upfield could be the issue was the timing of the hit. If he catches the ball, and is hit .2 seconds later maybe it’s called a fumble. 

[ChrisWatson#21]

2 minutes ago, Special K said:

 

This is a good point.....even AJ Brown knew he fumbled the game away.

 

Sure the Bills made plenty of mistakes, any one of which contributed to losing the game, but that call right there would have ended the game.

 

I always thought the officials are are supposed to let the play “play out”, and let the replay booth sort it out.

 

If the officials did that in this case, the call of fumble would have stood as it would have been too close to overturn the call on the field. 

 

That is what should have happened, IMO.

 

 

 

Yeah he caught it cleanly had both hands on the ball it’s why his reaction was to reach for it once it was on the ground.  It bothers me that when Cortland Sutton’s TD in the Denver game was ruled incomplete they went to replay and gave him instant possesion as soon the ball was in his hands without the "football move".  If that was a catch then Brown’s should have been also.  

[Dan]

He caught the ball.  Two feet down.  And on the broadcast… but he didn’t make a 3rd move.   So how many moves does it take to make a catch?  Unless of course your a Bill.. then it’s a penalty against Buffalo for.. make up excuse..    it was a ***** officiated game. 

[pennstate10]

 I was at the game. The play in discussion was ptobably a fiumble, but wasn’t crytaj clear. 
 

Here were obviousblown call. 

1. 1) At least a dozen times, the eagles LT or RT moved into his kick slide a good 1/2 sec befor ball was snapped. It’s obvious stfrom the upper deck.  There is no reason to give players @ half second grace. Sync i with motion detectors in their shoes. NFL refuses to admit that easy fixes exist. 
    
2. there was a blatant hold on 91 on phillysgo ahead TD drive. OL has 91 arm pinned. Such that when he got it unpinnedand escapes yo could see his one arm emerging from the sea of humanity including numrerous other holds. 
3. After .Hyde’s int, bills get flagged for holding 0.5 sex after ball snapped..  how de official know th so quickly.
4. On Philly first shove TD, theLG shoots off 0.5 sec early. No call

the officiating is bad and gettijng worse. These guy are like the supreme court. Unelected professionals with no review of their prducuts, and no way to h fire someone for consistent i

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[zow2]

1 hour ago, Budkin said:

Thought so at first but he barely took 2 steps. They got lucky and we didn’t. As usual. 

 

It was close but i didn’t think it was a fumble.  That play, the Hurts almost fumble that was a pass, the long FG in lousy conditions, the pass to Gabe barely missing,  just so many plays that went Philly’s way late 

[Punch]

 

[Ralonzo]

It was less clearly a fumble than the tackle of Sherfield was PI, the block-in-the-back on the punt return, the PHI RG not being set on the first TD, the horsecollar on Allen being a PF, etc etc etc.