Lost in the craziness: Dorian Williams

[QB Bills]

Is it just me or does this guy look like the Bills found something here? He plays with intensity and hits harder than any linebacker the Bills have had since maybe Nigel Bradham (outside of Milano, of course). Might have taken a bad angle on a run or two on Monday but he is young so not totally unexpected. Would like to see more of him and less Dodson (preferably not at all) paired with Bernard.

[BBFL]

See a guy who can start in the league but can still be upgraded. Not half bad for a rookie but I wouldn’t hang my hat on him just yet. 

[billsfanmd07]

Living in Ravens country They have a D that hits you and hits you hard. Their LB hurt you. They always have. Like Zach Moss said: Force players  to make business decision over the middle.  We have nice, fast guys. I want guys that hit you and make you think twice...and maybe a fumble Occasional penalties will happen especially since today if a player thinks he deserves to get a call he simulates the flag being thrown then 2 seconds later the ref agrees.

 

I also hate the in football pulling the ball out when the player is almost down like on Monday night. Just seems cheap. I like a hit and the ball pops out.

Edited November 15, 2023 by billsfanmd07

[DrDawkinstein]

Ehh, I'll admit to not focusing on him during the game, but the times I did notice him it wasnt for anything good.

 

Mostly getting absolutely stonewalled or blown up when trying to blitz.

 

McD should be canned for sending our smurf LBs on blitzes so much.

 

I do hope he can develop over the next couple of years.

[BillsFan130]

I actually thought he looked a bit lost out there last game.

 

He definitely plays fast and I love his potential.

But it seemed to me like he was out of position on a lot of those dump offs to the backs.

 

Hard to say without seeing the all 22 though 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

10 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

Is it just me or does this guy look like the Bills found something here? He plays with intensity and hits harder than any linebacker the Bills have had since maybe Nigel Bradham (outside of Milano, of course). Might have taken a bad angle on a run or two on Monday but he is young so not totally unexpected. Would like to see more of him and less Dodson (preferably not at all) paired with Bernard.

Funny you mention Bradham. I compared him to Bradham a while ago. A little wild like Bradham at the start but Bradham learned to control it.

[TampaBillsJunkie]

I was pleased with him and absolutely love the way Bernard is playing.  The LB's might not be in as bad as shape as we thought.  If we could just make the stops when we really needed them we'd be 7-3 and conversations would be so different. Broncs and NE games were just complete trash!

[BuffaloRebound]

The couple times I noticed him Monday night he was kind of in no man’s land when Wilson did his flip passes.  One more step and he would’ve hit Wilson and prevented the flip or lay back more and he would’ve taken away the RB on the flip.  But he was around the ball a lot and looks a lot more nimble and powerful than Dodson.  

[billsfan714]

I would rather give him playing time and learn than see Dodson in there.

[Jauronimo]

21 minutes ago, billsfanmd07 said:

Living in Ravens country They have a D that hits you and hits you hard. Their LB hurt you. They always have. Like Zach Moss said: Force players  to make business decision over the middle.  We have nice, fast guys. I want guys that hit you and make you think twice...and maybe a fumble Occasional penalties will happen especially since today if a player thinks he deserves to get a call he simulates the flag being thrown then 2 seconds later the ref agrees.

 

I also hate the in football pulling the ball out when the player is almost down like on Monday night. Just seems cheap. I like a hit and the ball pops out.

The only business decision Moss ever forced was trading his ass outta Buffalo.

[FireChans]

19 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Ehh, I'll admit to not focusing on him during the game, but the times I did notice him it wasnt for anything good.

 

Mostly getting absolutely stonewalled or blown up when trying to blitz.

 

McD should be canned for sending our smurf LBs on blitzes so much.

 

I do hope he can develop over the next couple of years.

Russell Wilson has been one of the worst QBs in football when being blitzed this year, hasn't he?

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Russell Wilson has been one of the worst QBs in football when being blitzed this year, hasn't he?

 

Same thing we said about Mac Jones, wasnt it?

 

How's this working out? Blitzing when you physically cant get home does nothing but give the QB an easy read and wide open WR.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

34 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

Is it just me or does this guy look like the Bills found something here? He plays with intensity and hits harder than any linebacker the Bills have had since maybe Nigel Bradham (outside of Milano, of course). Might have taken a bad angle on a run or two on Monday but he is young so not totally unexpected. Would like to see more of him and less Dodson (preferably not at all) paired with Bernard.

Yeah except for the fake he was burned on the Russ Wilson flip pass twice in that game Monday Night.

 

He’s not good enough to stop looking for something better. 

[QB Bills]

On those two dumpoffs by Wilson, I believe his job was to spy. In both cases, he had no opportunity to make a play as Wilson snuck out of the pocket and the rb was uncovered. If he covered the rb, Wilson runs and fans are saying he sucks because he can't spy. If he chases Wilson, which he ended up doing, we get this side of the coin.

 

Other than taking a bad angle on one or two runs, I don't think he made any other glaring errors. 

[dorquemada]

At this point, i'd rather see the Bills run with young guys and see what we have for next year.  Stop gap geriatrics or tier Z guys who send McDurrr a Christmas card every year can ride the pine on their way out

Edited November 15, 2023 by dorquemada

[LyndonvilleBill]

I thought he played ok. Definitely want him to get playtime and see more. Nothing really outstanding,  but I did hear a few times that it looked like he was being used as a spy? Guess that could be one of the reasons why it looked like he was lost at the line.🤔

[FireChans]

9 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Same thing we said about Mac Jones, wasnt it?

 

How's this working out? Blitzing when you physically cant get home does nothing but give the QB an easy read and wide open WR.

It worked when Micah got his hands on the ball.

 

Idk, I heard too much about "sitting back and getting picked apart" from the Frazier days to really kill a DC over a couple blitzes.

 

It's not like Von and the gang are getting pressure with 4. 

 

Whole defense is a JAGfest post-injury and you gotta try something.

[billieve420]

At this point start letting the young guys get their reps. Playoffs are a long shot and if they do somehow managed to sneak in rather these guys get more experience. So for guys like Dorian and Kaiir let them play honestly can't get much worse.

[BuffaloBillyG]

He's still got a lot to learn, but he's seeing playtime as a rookie. That's more than Bernard got. Give Williams a season or 2 and let him gain that experience and we may have something there.

 

I know it's different positions, but he's already around the ball more than Edmunds typically was and he's not afraid to make contact. 

[DrDawkinstein]

8 minutes ago, FireChans said:

It worked when Micah got his hands on the ball.

 

Idk, I heard too much about "sitting back and getting picked apart" from the Frazier days to really kill a DC over a couple blitzes.

 

It's not like Von and the gang are getting pressure with 4. 

 

Whole defense is a JAGfest post-injury and you gotta try something.

 

It worked on 1 play, we still lost the game. Against McCorkle.

 

I dont want to hear about the Frazier days. It's far more than "a couple". We went from one extreme to the other. It's almost like McD is maliciously complying with the Frazier criticism and saying "oh you want to see some blitzes? Fine, I'll blitz every play!"

 

Von isnt, but Floyd/Oliver/Rousseau/Epenesa all are. Put Joseph as the cornerstone in the middle and lets roll.

 

Coach needs to figure it out before it's too late (spoiler alert: it's too late)

 

 

Edited November 15, 2023 by DrDawkinstein

[msw2112]

5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

It worked on 1 play, we still lost the game. Against McCorkle.

 

I dont want to hear about the Frazier days. It's far more than "a couple". We went from one extreme to the other. It's almost like McD is maliciously complying with the Frazier criticism and saying "oh you want to see some blitzes? Fine, I'll blitz every play!"

 

Von isnt, but Floyd/Oliver/Rousseau/Epenesa all are. Put Joseph as the cornerstone in the middle and lets roll.

 

Coach needs to figure it out before it's too late (spoiler alert: it's too late)

 

 

 

Do you mean the middle stone?

[FireChans]

14 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

It worked on 1 play, we still lost the game. Against McCorkle.

 

I dont want to hear about the Frazier days. It's far more than "a couple". We went from one extreme to the other. It's almost like McD is maliciously complying with the Frazier criticism and saying "oh you want to see some blitzes? Fine, I'll blitz every play!"

 

Von isnt, but Floyd/Oliver/Rousseau/Epenesa all are. Put Joseph as the cornerstone in the middle and lets roll.

 

Coach needs to figure it out before it's too late (spoiler alert: it's too late)

 

 

They are allowing near league average in points. While almost never playing with a lead. With an offense that is 5th in turnovers. 

 

In fact, this year (including the healthy start to this defense) the defense is still ranked higher than the offense on a scoring basis.

 

that’s criminal with a healthy O and paying Stef and Josh half a billion. 
 

I thought when the defense got banged up that this team would need to win some shootouts. We haven’t been able to even participate in a shootout this season. 

[DrDawkinstein]

11 minutes ago, msw2112 said:

 

Do you mean the middle stone?

 

I actually meant the keystone!

[goldenboy81]

He kinda looks like Bernard did last yr when he seen the field. Hopefully year 2 treats him the same

[Matt_In_NH]

I know he was terrible in the Pats game but I think he just has to hone his skills, he should be a decent player.  Bernard needed a year and he sure popped.   

[Irv]

1 hour ago, QB Bills said:

Is it just me or does this guy look like the Bills found something here? He plays with intensity and hits harder than any linebacker the Bills have had since maybe Nigel Bradham (outside of Milano, of course). Might have taken a bad angle on a run or two on Monday but he is young so not totally unexpected. Would like to see more of him and less Dodson (preferably not at all) paired with Bernard.

Maybe he shouldn't be fired.  On the fence.  

[BullBuchanan]

1 hour ago, QB Bills said:

Is it just me or does this guy look like the Bills found something here? He plays with intensity and hits harder than any linebacker the Bills have had since maybe Nigel Bradham (outside of Milano, of course). Might have taken a bad angle on a run or two on Monday but he is young so not totally unexpected. Would like to see more of him and less Dodson (preferably not at all) paired with Bernard.

He's been mostly terrible, but he plays fast and hits hard, so at a glance it looks like he's doing good things. There's a reason he keeps losing snaps to Dodson.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

I actually thought he looked a bit lost out there last game.

 

He definitely plays fast and I love his potential.

But it seemed to me like he was out of position on a lot of those dump offs to the backs.

 

Hard to say without seeing the all 22 though 

to be fair, he was supposed to be the spy on Wilson. Wilson had been in some tough spots with those dumb back handed flips at the last second. 

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, BBFL said:

See a guy who can start in the league but can still be upgraded. Not half bad for a rookie but I wouldn’t hang my hat on him just yet. 

You cannot make any determination on him in a rookie season you just can’t

4 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

to be fair, he was supposed to be the spy on Wilson. Wilson had been in some tough spots with those dumb back handed flips at the last second. 

Excellent job thought he did an excellent job spying on Wilson the whole game, except for a couple of plays
 

The whole defense played well

[jkeerie]

1 hour ago, QB Bills said:

Is it just me or does this guy look like the Bills found something here? He plays with intensity and hits harder than any linebacker the Bills have had since maybe Nigel Bradham (outside of Milano, of course). Might have taken a bad angle on a run or two on Monday but he is young so not totally unexpected. Would like to see more of him and less Dodson (preferably not at all) paired with Bernard.

He's young and is making his share of rookie mistakes.  However, we had low expectations of Bernard after his rookie season and now he's one of our best players.  So...give Dorian time and I'll expect the same.

[JerseyBills]

1 hour ago, TampaBillsJunkie said:

I was pleased with him and absolutely love the way Bernard is playing.  The LB's might not be in as bad as shape as we thought.  If we could just make the stops when we really needed them we'd be 7-3 and conversations would be so different. Broncs and NE games were just complete trash!

Or 8-2'

[BigAl2526]

I think he is a youngster with an intriguing skill set and plenty of upside.  He's not really ready to be a starter.  Think Terrel Bernard last year.  People were thinking he was a wasted pick.  This year, he's starting and playing well.  We can't be sure Williams will develop in the same way, but I always tend to err on the side of optimism.

[BBFL]

46 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

You cannot make any determination on him in a rookie season you just can’t

Excellent job thought he did an excellent job spying on Wilson the whole game, except for a couple of plays
 

The whole defense played well

I can. I did. He plays better than a decent amount of guys out there but could be upgraded… for right now. 
 

That isn’t me making an absolute that he is garbage or an all star. That is exactly what he’s shown, sporty play for a rookie. Some good, some bad. 

Edited November 15, 2023 by BBFL

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, QB Bills said:

On those two dumpoffs by Wilson, I believe his job was to spy. In both cases, he had no opportunity to make a play as Wilson snuck out of the pocket and the rb was uncovered. If he covered the rb, Wilson runs and fans are saying he sucks because he can't spy. If he chases Wilson, which he ended up doing, we get this side of the coin.

 

Other than taking a bad angle on one or two runs, I don't think he made any other glaring errors. 

And your very keen observations beg the question why the heck isn’t the Bills offense constructed to take advantage of Allen’s threat to run? Why aren’t WE likewise putting defenders in the position to have to make a choice? 

[947]

1 hour ago, goldenboy81 said:

He kinda looks like Bernard did last yr when he seen the field. Hopefully year 2 treats him the same

I think Dorian is playing much faster than Bernard did as a rookie. Rookie Bernard looked slow, like he was processing everything before reacting. He's a totally different player now, that's why it was such a surprise when he became an overnight sensation.

 

Dorian is making mistakes, but he plays fast, hopefully a sign of a very bright future.

[GETTOTHE50]

He plays fast and you can tell he’s trying to trust his instincts which will come in time when he learns the game more and more 

[bouds]

He needs to slow down the game, you can tell he’s got something but right now the speed of the game is too fast. Definitely a guy to keep an eye on.  I like how they used him as a spy. 

[The Frankish Reich]

3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Same thing we said about Mac Jones, wasnt it?

 

How's this working out? Blitzing when you physically cant get home does nothing but give the QB an easy read and wide open WR.

I think we need a new defensive coordinator too. Someone who knows how to avoid the big play. Someone like … Leslie Frazier. I hear he’s available!

[Dr.Sack]

Big LBs that can hit a stationary target are worthless. Give me a 6’1 225 guy who can fly. 

[Phils n Bills]

Been pretty vocal about him. Really like his game. Considering he’s only had a few starts, and the majority of those have been sharing time, he has shown some nice upside. Like any rookie, he’s not going to be perfect out of the box. He needs Reps and coaching. Those saying he’s not good enough maybe should give him a second to grow. He’s fast and hits hard as hell. If he’s coached up and the game starts to slow down for him, he’ll be a good one.