Low Positive Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: The only thing that concerns me here is Dalton really isn’t a blocker. He gives effort, but he’s not good at it yet. That’s needed I don't know what they're going to do. And with Morris injured, they only have one TE on the roster. People celebrating this are not really thinking it through. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Dude needs surgery and us fat guys take tough guy internet shots at him. 5 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Just now, Goin Breakdown said: Dude needs surgery and us fat guys take tough guy internet shots at him. Even us skinny wimpy guys are doing it too 2 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 12 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Oh right, I forgot about that. Oh well. No more 12 personnel. Meh. The 12 personnel thing is misleading in this case. In our offense Kincaid is just a TE doing the slot WR work. It’s the same offense as with 11 personnel. Part of the issue is that Kincaid is a terrible blocker so we don’t get extra juice in run blocking like with many two TE sets. That is why I doubt he takes over Knox’s in-line duties. I expect Morris to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 2 things are true: Knox is overpaid, and he's also valuable to the offense. In no way is this a good thing. I hope we can get him back soon. This season, man. I was hoping for a "healthy" year after last season. Alas. 1 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 I think losing him hurts the team. He was great in the redzonr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, BarleyNY said: Meh. The 12 personnel thing is misleading in this case. In our offense Kincaid is just a TE doing the slot WR work. It’s the same offense as with 11 personnel. Part of the issue is that Kincaid is a terrible blocker so we don’t get extra juice in run blocking like with many two TE sets. That is why I doubt he takes over Knox’s in-line duties. I expect Morris to do that. He’s adequate enough kelce isn’t a blocker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 14 minutes ago, Logic said: I understand the Prisoner of the Moment stuff to a degree, because Knox has had a few key drops lately. However...any kind of notion that this somehow makes the Bills offense better seems ridiculous to me. Drops or not, Dawson Knox is a good player for the Bills. A good all-around tight end, and likely the Bills' best blocking tight end by a significant margin. Losing him hurts in the run game, it hurts personnel multiplicity, and it hurts depth. This does NOT make the Bills offense better, and it seems foolish to suggest that it somehow does. I agree, but I'd say most of us are thinking it will improve the team purely because a healthy player will be an improvement over an unhealthy one. A healthy Knox is a weapon. I just think we haven't seen it as much as we'd like because (a) he hasn't been healthy and (b) his game has been compromised to assist with the protection of Spencer Brown. Hope he gets well soon, we really need him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breakout Squad Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said: Dude needs surgery and us fat guys take tough guy internet shots at him. I’ve been cussing him out but I didn’t know about the injuries. That would explain the ineffectiveness. According to my doctor, I’m one of the fat guys 😩 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) We'll lose a little bit in the blocking department for sure, but I think there is a good chance the the combination for Kincaid at TE1 and Morris at TE2 might be an upgrade in the passing game. Guess we know why they were working out TEs last week. Just wish our RT wasn't such a disaster and didn't need constant help on every passing play. He's such a weak link on the line and it hinders the offense when you constantly have to have guys stay in or chip block all the time just so he doesn't get Allen killed. Edited October 23, 2023 by sven233 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 19 minutes ago, Logic said: likely the Bills' best blocking tight end by a significant margin. Actually his run blocking grade is lower than Kincaid's, but that may be due to (1) injury, (2) having to pick up Spencer's oopsies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, Aimee75 said: Mixed feelings on this. He's not the most reliable weapon, but he does help out a lot with blocking, and god knows our OL needs all the help. THIS! He chips to help out Brown on regular basis, you think Brown was a turnstile before, just watch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 The Knox hate here is ridiculous. Guy is a solid blocking TE and has made some spectacular catches over the years. Sure he drops the odd pass, but I think fans overrate the tight end position in terms of offense added. Not every team has a Kelce. This is a significant loss for the O. Hopefully Kincaid can build on yesterday's performance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 19 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: We are taking on a lot of injuries This year and last year have been unbelievable, it sucks.. waiting all year for the hope of a Super Bowl run , then comes injury after injury. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Get well and come back healthy. I appreciate trying to push thru it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 paging Lee Smith... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 41 minutes ago, Charles Romes said: Timing is interesting to say the least Can't use him as trade collateral now 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Just get back for a playoff run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 17 minutes ago, balln said: He’s adequate enough kelce isn’t a blocker “Adequate enough” as a blocker is very generous. LOL on the Kelce comparison. I truly hope he gets there as a receiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 23 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: I don't know what they're going to do. And with Morris injured, they only have one TE on the roster. People celebrating this are not really thinking it through. Isn't Gilliam considered a FB/TE? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Wow. When did Knox become hated around here? He has four drops on the season. Yes, that’s most in the NFL for TEs. By one. Here are some guys with 3: Mark Andrews Sam Laporta TJ Hockenson Evan Ingram. Even Mr. Swift has two. I suppose those fans would also be happy if their starting TE needed surgery. WTF is wrong with this place? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 We tried out 2 TEs when Morris went on the mend. Do we sign one of them? Bring back Jace Sternberger? Get someone off our or someone else's PS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said: Isn't Gilliam considered a FB/TE? I guess, but he has 13 catches in three years. But he does block, so I guess he could fill that role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills!Win! Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 When is Josh Allen's neck surgery? Or Diggs' ankle surgery? lets just add some more to the list why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 39 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Dawson Knox has never been right, even when healthy… That’s not true at all. He literally led the team in catch percentage over the last 2 seasons and also had 15 TDs and a 118 passer rating when targeted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 27 minutes ago, WotAGuy said: Must be Von broke his wrist during that players only meeting. My guess is they knew this was possible and it contributed to any meeting. They have to be checking out - “we don’t have the dawgs.” You look around expecting to make plays and good things happening. Now they expect things to go wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, stevestojan said: Wow. When did Knox become hated around here? He has four drops on the season. Yes, that’s most in the NFL for TEs. By one. Here are some guys with 3: Mark Andrews Sam Laporta TJ Hockenson Evan Ingram. Even Mr. Swift has two. I suppose those fans would also be happy if their starting TE needed surgery. WTF is wrong with this place? Now look at targets. For ease I will provide them to you: Kelce 59 Engram 51 Laporta 49 Hockenson 47 Andrews 40 Knox 28 Edited October 23, 2023 by buffblue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 51 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Good. Get him right. And if that doesn’t work, get him out. Too many drops. Perfect! Likely, the way most of us feel- especially after yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taglientep Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, buffblue said: Now look at targets. For ease I will provide them to you: Engram 51 Laporta 49 Hockenson 47 Andrews 40 Knox 28 That’s fair you have to look at drops as an overall percentage not just individuals numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Just now, taglientep said: That’s fair you have to look at drops as an overall percentage not just individuals numbers I was just providing the numbers for the players that were referenced. Since Knox has more drops than any other TE, his drop % will accordingly be higher, in this case significantly 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 He had some sort of hand injury a couple years ago I believe, but still threw a 2 pt conversion to Josh. I’m tired of seeing Knox targeted, followed shortly by the football bouncing on the ground. Next man up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Remember when we used only 1TE on most plays. Maybe go back to that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aimee75 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 27 minutes ago, JMM said: THIS! He chips to help out Brown on regular basis, you think Brown was a turnstile before, just watch. Are we in the threshhold of hell or what? I mean, I would ask how much worse it could get, but I don't even want to think about it 😕 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, stevestojan said: Wow. When did Knox become hated around here? He has four drops on the season. Yes, that’s most in the NFL for TEs. By one. Here are some guys with 3: Mark Andrews Sam Laporta TJ Hockenson Evan Ingram. Even Mr. Swift has two. I suppose those fans would also be happy if their starting TE needed surgery. WTF is wrong with this place? Dawson has twice as many drops as Kelce on half as many targets. Kelce has 5x the yards in 1 fewer games. Obviously it's not fair to compare Knox to the GOAT TE, but he's had a disaster of a season so far. Knox is paid to be a top 10 TE and his play isn't even in the top 30. I'll never be happy that a Bills player is injured, but it's easy to make the argument we'll be better with Knox out of the lineup 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 54 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I've mentioned this before but he has a broken bone, plus torn ligament & cartilage. I was surprised he has been playing at all. Also this might sound callous but I take this as a positive. We need undependable players to stay off the field. Kincaid and Morris catch the ball. Knox is a better receiver than he has been showing. I am sure the injury played a role in the drops. I can’t quite believe he was playing with that injury. Just now, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: Dawson has twice as many drops as Kelce on half as many targets. Kelce has 5x the yards in 1 fewer games. Obviously it's not fair to compare Knox to the GOAT TE, but he's had a disaster of a season so far. Knox is paid to be a top 10 TE and his play isn't even in the top 30. I'll never be happy that a Bills player is injured, but it's easy to make the argument we'll be better with Knox out of the lineup It’s been a disaster because … wait for it … he’s been playing injured (not hurt; injured). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Just now, dave mcbride said: Knox is a better receiver than he has been showing. I am sure the injury played a role in the drops. I can’t quite believe he was playing with that injury. He was playing because Morris got hurt in the same game. The Bills, right now, have one TE on the active roster and he's not really a TE. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, gobills404 said: That’s not true at all. He literally led the team in catch percentage over the last 2 seasons and also had 15 TDs and a 118 passer rating when targeted. Don’t let facts get in the way of a crusade … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 13 minutes ago, gobills404 said: That’s not true at all. He literally led the team in catch percentage over the last 2 seasons and also had 15 TDs and a 118 passer rating when targeted. Don't give me stats. He dropped a ball YESTERDAY! I know because I saw it on my TV. /s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 57 minutes ago, Logic said: I understand the Prisoner of the Moment stuff to a degree, because Knox has had a few key drops lately. However...any kind of notion that this somehow makes the Bills offense better seems ridiculous to me. Drops or not, Dawson Knox is a good player for the Bills. A good all-around tight end, and likely the Bills' best blocking tight end by a significant margin. Losing him hurts in the run game, it hurts personnel multiplicity, and it hurts depth. This does NOT make the Bills offense better, and it seems foolish to suggest that it somehow does. Ugh. I hate logic. 😅 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Is he going to IR ? ... We've gotten keep the streak going Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.