That's No Moon Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 22 minutes ago, Einstein said: He is 3 weeks post comeback and there is very little bend to his rush, much slower get-off (you can tell he is trying to jump the snap to get the edge), and I have yet to see him win a single match-up. He simply looks bad. Last time he came back from an ICL injury he was younger, but he had 9 tackles, 2 sacks and 2 TFL in his first 3 games back. Do we feel Von is toast? His dead cap is $32.5M so he is not going anywhere. He's done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 22 minutes ago, Einstein said: He is 3 weeks post comeback and there is very little bend to his rush, much slower get-off (you can tell he is trying to jump the snap to get the edge), and I have yet to see him win a single match-up. He simply looks bad. Last time he came back from an ICL injury he was younger, but he had 9 tackles, 2 sacks and 2 TFL in his first 3 games back. Do we feel Von is toast? His dead cap is $32.5M so he is not going anywhere. No, he's lazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 It won’t be a year until Thanksgiving. I say chill. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 He looked good on 1 rush today the rest he was going thru motions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted October 22, 2023 Author Share Posted October 22, 2023 Just now, Augie said: It won’t be a year until Thanksgiving. I say chill. I completely understand your point, but consider this: The last time he came back from an ACL tear it was only 9 months between his injury date and his first game back. In his first three games back he had 9 tackles, 2 sacks and 2 TFL. Of course, he was younger. But that’s kinda the point - father time catches up to everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 For players born in 1989 only Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift look young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 I wouldn’t say so, he has to work himself back into shape coming off a serious injury. Give it another month and I think we will have a better picture of what’s going on with Von. Groot, Floyd and AJE have to get it going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 35 minutes ago, Dr Divit said: Might go down as one of the worst signings in Bills history. Hey the should of thought about the injury risk for a 34 ur old end Yup. I really respect what Von has done in his career, but we paid an aging DE who doesn't care about containing the edge like he was in the prime of his career. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 I don't even remember seeing the guy on the field. How many snaps did he even have? It's going to take some time for him to get back into playing shape. It's going to take even longer when he's barely even getting warmed up on the field. I get wanting to keep him fresh for the Playoffs. But if things keep going the way they're going, that's far from a given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 He might be toast, but the Bills and us fans are suffering from PRIME RIB STEAK FAILURE. Not suprising signing a 32 year old to more money than you pay the whole WR corps outside of Diggs only to get injured ( OH he got injured as an old player?) Shocker! Dawson Knox had done more for Dawson's landing than he had in the NFL before signing that massive contract. Btw I have no ***** idea what Dawson's landing or any of that bs here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyo321 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 The fact that he was invisible today, and was the same in the last two games, is all that needs to be said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted October 22, 2023 Author Share Posted October 22, 2023 Just now, BillsFanForever19 said: I don't even remember seeing the guy on the field. How many snaps did he even have? He has been averaging 20-something snaps a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 40$m piece of toast. Great job Beane. You ***** dumbass 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, HurlyBurly51 said: You think this team is going to the playoffs?!🤣 If so, please list out the specific 6 or 7 wins you see on the remaining schedule. Hey ..I didn’t say the Bills were gunna make the playoffs … just that he would be back to his best by then… just in time to get the most out of his January holiday … Edited October 22, 2023 by Aussie Joe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chugga Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 34 minutes ago, PBF81 said: My position's been unchanged since we signed him. My money says that he's finished as anything but JAG. But for the money he's getting, there's absolutely no way we get that level of play from him. I can agree with that. That being said I wanted Chandler Jones and he’s currently roaming the desert in a tin foil hat. I’ve never been a big Von fan. Mainly because of his constant reminder about how he loved LA and it seemed like he came here in some ways to cash a check and grow his podcast but he won me over a little last year. Prior to the injury the guy could play. I think he still has something left in the tank as a specialist but you don’t pay a specialist his type of money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 46 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: He will be back to his best come the playoffs So…. Next season maybe? Cuz we ain’t making it this year if they continue to look like crap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 14 minutes ago, Einstein said: I completely understand your point, but consider this: The last time he came back from an ACL tear it was only 9 months between his injury date and his first game back. In his first three games back he had 9 tackles, 2 sacks and 2 TFL. Of course, he was younger. But that’s kinda the point - father time catches up to everyone. I think the point is…..do it in the playoffs where it’s critical and you are closer to 100%. But that is a hope, and only time will tell. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 53 minutes ago, Einstein said: He is 3 weeks post comeback and there is very little bend to his rush, much slower get-off (you can tell he is trying to jump the snap to get the edge), and I have yet to see him win a single match-up. He simply looks bad. Last time he came back from an ICL injury he was younger, but he had 9 tackles, 2 sacks and 2 TFL in his first 3 games back. Do we feel Von is toast? His dead cap is $32.5M so he is not going anywhere. White looked pretty bad last year and he sat out a full year. Likely not going to get much out of Miller this year till maybe very late or in playoffs assuming the Bills get that far. This is also the 2nd time for Miller and older. Way too early to say he's toast, but right now, he's not effective much at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoName Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 He's done. He's toast. The question is this. If he continues to be toast throughout the year, can the bills cut him and move on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 39 minutes ago, Coldfronts said: How much longer are the Bills tied up with his contract? Realistically… at least one more year after this one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 59 minutes ago, Einstein said: He is 3 weeks post comeback and there is very little bend to his rush, much slower get-off (you can tell he is trying to jump the snap to get the edge), and I have yet to see him win a single match-up. He simply looks bad. Last time he came back from an ICL injury he was younger, but he had 9 tackles, 2 sacks and 2 TFL in his first 3 games back. Do we feel Von is toast? His dead cap is $32.5M so he is not going anywhere. To me he looks like a guy who's missed almost a full year of football, I think he's going to take time which unfortunately is time we don't have but looks like the reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Bills Fan Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Who??? does he play for the Bills? haven’t heard his name or noticed him in games this year… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Booey Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Miller is done. Putting no effort into this year at all. Time to move on!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Baba Booey said: Miller is done. Putting no effort into this year at all. Time to move on!!! His contract makes that impossible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Booey Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Just now, Bangarang said: His contract makes that impossible It’s actually doable after next year. Was a three year contract! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 The guy is 34 coming off an ACL with no camp or preseason. Getting back to running and cutting itself is one thing, but getting back into football shape is completely different. I wouldn't expect his snap count to increase dramatically on a short week here, but my guess is that after the simi-bye this Thursday is that his snap count starts to rise. He hasn't shown a ton of pass rush moves with the snaps he's had.....mostly rushing wide. But he's still ramping up. Also, it is so hard to get into any type of flow when you are only playing certain snaps periodically. Von has always been a rusher where he uses a few rushes in a row to set up other moves. If he's not playing consistently, he can't do that. Bottom line, it's early for him yet. It is still going to take a bit of time to get in football shape and get the body used to the punishment it takes. We all want him to be the Von we know he can be and I get having patience is hard. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Baba Booey said: It’s actually doable after next year. Was a three year contract! Right, he’s here through 2024. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said: He will be back to his best come the playoffs The Bills aren't making the playoffs. Are you thinking they trade Von to a real playoff contender? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Booey Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Just now, Dablitzkrieg said: The Bills aren't making the playoffs. Are you thinking they trade Von to a real playoff contender? You can’t trade him. Too high off a number on him. He is done, will never babe the player he once was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said: He will be back to his best come the playoffs Looks like a distant dream at this moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 24 minutes ago, Chugga said: I can agree with that. That being said I wanted Chandler Jones and he’s currently roaming the desert in a tin foil hat. I’ve never been a big Von fan. Mainly because of his constant reminder about how he loved LA and it seemed like he came here in some ways to cash a check and grow his podcast but he won me over a little last year. Prior to the injury the guy could play. I think he still has something left in the tank as a specialist but you don’t pay a specialist his type of money. LOL @ the Chandler Jones reference. I'm not a fan of expensive signings of players that are near or at the tail end of their careers, such that the signing has to have every upside of it to materialize in order for it to be considered a good signing. With better planning and team management that should easily be capable of being avoided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Einstein said: I don’t blame you. When he played, it was as if we subbed in a JAG. What is a jag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Dr Divit said: Might go down as one of the worst signings in Bills history. Hey the should of thought about the injury risk for a 34 ur old end I am not sure if I can think of a worse signing in terms of handcuffing the team from making other moves. Von Miller's contract plays into them not being able to sign Hopkins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whkfc Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said: He will be back to his best come the playoffs PLAYOFFS?? YOUR TALKING ABOUT PLAYOFFS???? 6 minutes ago, peterpan said: What is a jag Just a guy. Any regular dude you may find on a nfl roster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 He definitely doesn’t look 100% mentally or physically ready yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted October 22, 2023 Author Share Posted October 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, peterpan said: What is a jag Just Another Guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Divit Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Von is being paid TJ Watt money, so Bills should ask for a refund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 ***** toast. 40$ piece of ***** toast. Congrats Beane you ***** dumbass! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills! Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Miller is slow, Poyer is slow (had a great game today but on the season he has been down a few steps from the past 1-2 years. Hyde is still ok but again not MVP hyde we had. I was hyed about Von but also know it was really a 2 year with a hope for the 3rd year production and its just a bad deal now. Hopkins is invisible for the Titians so I don't look at him like it was the only reason we didn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Maybe. Won’t know for another month. If he’s not ramped up by December , he’s done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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